The Official Stagger/Fuse Thread

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  1. Wtmke1

    Wtmke1 Gold Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    Ssfc take me about 2 hours to make

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    Trial and error and more error and practice can speed that up
     
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    Wtmke1 Gold Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    Yea I definitely need to build more. Just lazy. Lol

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    Yes. I heard it comes off the spool straight like Kidney Puncher - but mine comes off Wavy, not consistently curved but more wacky. Hard to straighten, too, and straightening leads to at least one strand being noticeably angled/ twisted

    So screwed if I straighten, screwed if I don't :cuss2:
     
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    Wtmke1 Gold Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    So you don't stretch your ribbon? Or do you mean just straighten

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    I stretch Kbee ribbon to straighten it; I have tried both stretching to straighten and not stretching Coil Society ribbon, either way it's not easy to work with
     
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    Interesting. I only had one problem with it before I switched over to all Sandvik. They sent me a spool that was wound with maybe 400ft, then an additional 100ft to make a 500ft roll like I ordered. Well, it snagged all over the place, and they made it right when I brought it to their attention. Other than that, the quality was always pretty good. Unfortunately, their 36, 38, 40g N80 isn't much better than Lightning Vapes's wire
     
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    You should contact them about it. I've never had anything but straight ribbon from them. Never anything crooked, wavy, etc. Well, except for the one roll I mentioned above.
     
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  9. Branpro

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    Interesting, I’ll have to try that this weekend. Y’all know I’m a staggering junky, lol. Anything that works better or faster, I’m game.
     
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    Ive had the same view on building since the beginning.

    Its not a skill your born with, its learned. This means anyone with motivation and time can do it with practice. There is always a easier way, try looking at the problem from a different perspective and find a work around. The best way to build is the way that uses the smallest bit of effort/time with the most functionality.

    If a build it hard and your failing a certain part or area, walk away. Come back and assess what it causing the issue and determine if its the way your holding a fuse/decore or is it the way the wire is attached. If everything looks perfect and thats not the issue then try again and examine how much tension your using as tension is the main culprit in many issues.

    You want paraclap to be laid as close to 90 degrees as possible. Make sure before laying paraclap or decore you wash your hands with soap, this allows the wire to slip through your fingers easier and that reduces unwanted tension....which is a large problem for aliens and staggering. When laying paraclap the paraclap needs to be laid as close to perfect through the entire length as you can, any moment where tension is added or taken the angle of the paraclap changes on a microscopic scale. This is what causes you to weave later, as the difference gradually becomes a problem as you fuse, the more times the angle was changed when laying paraclap-the more of a pain in the ass it will be later. Consistency is what you want and it takes practice.

    Make sure you wash your hands beforehand.
    Make sure your wire pulls off your spool without catching or snagging
    Remember to keep your angle as close to 90 as possible (paraclap)
    Be consistent with tension the whole way through, any time your wire dips from pinch tension-your paraclap angle changes for that moment
    Make sure your swivels are clean and spin freely, if your ribbon is twisting too much when para-clapping it, that also can change the angle.
    Go your own speed, dont rush any part of it....good results are worth taking your time.
     
  11. HilbertsHotelManager

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    I think I'm gonna try SSFCs again tonight, any advice on what size frames I should use for .3 ribbon? Was planning on using 28ga but I almost wonder if that's too big. Had had issues with the frames trying to triangle up on me, might start using more clothespins and doing them one coil at a time (so like, starting with 5 inches of ribbon and frames only need 3.5-4 for the actual coils, but that gives me some extra room to work with if one end fuses better or something).
     
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    I'm working on ssfc today as well. I've only ever got one good coil. I use 28 for .3 and .4 I think that is about the Norm

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    I use 28g frames for 0.3 ribbon as well, though I use 26g frames for 0.4 ribbon
     
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    I'll try that then. Maybe that why I have issues. I know pre is the key though.

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    Worth a try for sure ....although I’m sure I’ve seen some say they use 30g with 0.3 ribbon before just found these two work pretty good for me
     
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    Hey, I think I know you :question:welcome to VU :D

    You can use 28, 30, I've even used 26 before - 30 will make it look closest to the same size after fusing

    if you loop the frame through a hair pin/paper clip in the drill first, then pull tight and loop through the swivel, you might get by without any clothespins :0
     
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    Haha yeah I messaged you on IG when I was indecisive the other morning, the SFCs came out ok, haven't vaped them yet.

    Thanks for the advice everyone! Have to make a single frailien then I'll work on the SSFC, I'll let you know how it goes and post pics if it turns out well enough to mount.
     
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    So it didn't turn out that well :/

    I'll attempt some more tomorrow, but as a consolation prize, I mounted it and it coloured up nicely and tastes great.

    My spacing was screwed up on one or both frames, seemed like one was twice as spaced as the other. They came from the same piece of 28 I spaced with the double loop method.

    Photos are too big for the forum apparently, I'll upload them on IG
     
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    Yeah, the forum's limit is around 1mb per picture, sometimes a little over

    Is this your first SSFC? It's awesome that you at least completed it and get to vape it! That's two wins, in my book
     
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    Yeah, I've had the same issues with the frames while using a dozen or so mini clothespins on a ~12″ strand so I ended up cutting away the ribbon stack turning them into a regular SFC build. Was using 8ply .1×.3 Ni80 ribbon and 29g Ni80 frames with 36g Ni80 wrap on that attempt... thing is, you need to find a way to stop the frames from getting pulled on top of the ribbon stack, and, IME putting less tension on the 36g wrap wire is not a viable solution that works so what I'll try next is I'll put a key ring on just the ribbon stack, with a guide attached to the key ring to hold the frames in such a way that they get pulled next to the ribbon stack instead of always getting pulled on top of it.
     
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    It's my second attempt, first one triangled up too much. I'll give them another shot soon, have tomorrow off so maybe then.
     
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    I can get away with 2 on a 5ish inch piece, just using them to keep the setup flat, not to keep it together. Seems to work pretty well.
     
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    I was also just using them to keep it flat. But it kept wanting to triangle up still nevertheless.
     
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    I would recommend a large gauge ribbon slider (0.4, 0.5) placed on loosely (pinched very gently) or aluminum foil folded over twices then wrapped around, rather than clothes pins. Either can be slid down the stick as you go without disturbing or strangling the staggering on the frames.

    The lower the gauge of the stagger, the larger gauge your ribbon slider will need to be to prevent it from digging in. For 36g, just use foil
     
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    My clothespins weren't disturbing nor strangling the staggering on my frames. The problem I was experiencing was that 29g Ni80 is just so incredibly weak it just helixes itself around the ribbon stack almost immediately despite the clothespins were spaced like less than an inch apart.
     
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    I hotglued everything together in my chuck end, I think n.devine does this sometimes. Helped keep it from helixing or twisting too much.
     
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    That's exactly how I ended up doing it, but it still didn't work. I haven't tried to build another coil for almost 2 months now, mostly because of that. lol

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    I tried a cheating staggering technique and it worked perfectly - this time

    I claptoned exactly half the length then loosened and stretched the clapton and glued at both ends

    Then I used the looping frames method raymo showed me, set it all up, used a .4 ribbon slider and voila, two 6 wrap coils - the final fusing was not perfect because I went very fast (I have to leave in 10 minutes)

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    My next video project will be this build; I will use 29 or 30g frames and 36g wrap wire to show how it can work out without going super slow or having the frames collapse
     
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    Made some sort of staggered thing, did it in 40ga.

    4x.4 staggered framing 2x.4 all framed by 28ga. Super happy with how it came out, fused up really nicely, there's some minor skips I cropped out.
     

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    Recycling duty got rained out, so I'm making that ssfc video now. That's too bad. :p
     
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    Yaaaay. I see you post about rain and 90 degree weather, you in Florida too?
     
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    Arkansas, it's like Florida without the sandy beaches and palm trees
     

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