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theclaw20

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I started writing the following as a comment in a thread about choosing a 2 battery mod, but I think it fits better as a stand alone post.
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In my opinion, vaping has completely leaped smoking as far as enjoyment goes. When I vape, I am not in any way trying to replicate the cigarette smoking experience; I am maximizing the vaping experience. I don't consider myself a smoker who has quit, but rather a smoker who found a WAY more satisfying nicotine delivery system. I suspect that given the tremendous variety available in the vaping world, there exists a vape setup for most every smoker that would satisfy them as much or more than traditional cigarettes do.

I take issue with vaping being seen merely as a "means to quit cigarettes". I want vape technology to continue to improve and become so vastly superior to smoking that new non-smokers will be more inclined to pick up a vape than a cigarette. I want vaping to become as socially acceptable as cigarette smoking once was. I want us to ditch the term "electronic cigarette", because it suggests that Vapes are a subset of cigarettes, rather than an entirely different animal.

The fixation with vaping as a means to quit smoking creates a tendency to ignore an important category of non-vaper: the young person who has never smoked and has never vaped. Every cigarette smoker was once a non-smoker; something about cigarettes must have attracted former non smokers to cigarettes, otherwise they never would have started smoking in the first place. A lot of people have addictive tendencies, enjoy acting out on those tendencies, and are going to act out on those tendencies in one way or another. As far as manners in which addictive tendencies can be acted upon, vaping is about as benign as it gets.

My hope is that vape tech will continue to improve, and eventually would-be smokers will overwhelmingly reach for a vape instead of a cigarette.

I don't want a "Smoke Free America". That would be super lame. I want a happier and healthier America. And the gradual phasing out of cigarettes and phasing in of vapes would work towards achieving that end.

We vapers stand at the precipice of a consumer-driven public health initiative that very well may prove the most successful public health initiative since the advent of the antibiotic. Vaping has the potential to virtually eliminate the public health hazards associated with smoking. We need to represent vaping not only as a means of quitting cigarettes, but also as the right choice for non-smoker-future-would-be-smokers, a group including our children and those who have not yet been born.

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AndriaD

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We need to represent vaping not only as a means of quitting cigarettes, but also as the right choice for non-smoker-future-would-be-smokers, a group including our children and those who have not yet been born.

I agree with you 100%, but to "tobacco control", people who don't smoke, especially young people (which is the age at which most take up smoking!) need to be "protected from" vaping, for some damn stupid reason. They seem to have this idea that if someone doesn't smoke, then they never will, and should never ever vape, because that might make them start smoking -- totally ass-backward logic! Which just goes to show you that people involved in "tobacco control" are about as stupid as the day is long, and also, don't really give a single rat's ass about HEALTH, they just want to CONTROL PEOPLE, and get paid for it. Fascist control-freaks, every last one.

They can kiss my ass. I've helped a couple teenagers in my neighborhood with ejuice, when all this shit hit the fan last summer and those kids could no longer buy ejuice in stores. I don't know if they quit vaping, or learned to DIY, because they don't come around looking for ejuice anymore, but I'd help ANYONE who wants to stay away from cigarettes, no matter their age, whether they're already a smoker or merely thinking of taking up either smoking or vaping -- I would help those people with vaping, to PREVENT them from taking up smoking; vaping would be much easier to quit than smoking, by many orders of magnitude.

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theclaw20

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vaping would be much easier to quit than smoking, by many orders of magnitude.

Andria

What makes you think vaping would be easier to quit than smoking? I'd imagine if anything it'd be harder, because quitting smoking gives you relief from smoking related ailments, whereas there aren't ailments to alleviate from quitting vaping.

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tatty29

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I agree all the way with you there. Unfortunately tho with the way things are now being regulated ( i'm in the uk) and what I have seen trying to buy the rta's and rdta's I like to vape ( for the first time today since tpd regulations came in fully) I can see a lot of people finding it hard to keep vaping wit a lot les choice in every thing or total bans on some things. In the end it will just become so hard to come by what you want or to get a decent vape at all that it will dishearten people and they will turn to other things wether it's cigarettes or any thing else. These regulations have taken what was enjoyable and made it a pain in the butt for some thing that is much less satisfying and s whole lot more expensive.


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theclaw20

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I agree with you 100%, but to "tobacco control", people who don't smoke, especially young people (which is the age at which most take up smoking!) need to be "protected from" vaping, for some damn stupid reason. They seem to have this idea that if someone doesn't smoke, then they never will, and should never ever vape, because that might make them start smoking -- totally ass-backward logic!

Andria

I have trouble with this too. They seem to not get that smoking very much appeals to a large proportion of the human population, so much so that some people take up smoking knowing full well how dangerous it is and how difficult it is to quit.

And if people get hooked on nicotine via vaping and then vaping becomes prohibitively expensive or difficult due to the regulatory environment, it will cause people who otherwise would not smoke cigarettes to smoke cigarettes, not because of the nature of vaping but because of the regulatory environment surrounding vaping.

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AndriaD

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What makes you think vaping would be easier to quit than smoking? I'd imagine if anything it'd be harder, because quitting smoking gives you relief from smoking related ailments, whereas there aren't ailments to alleviate from quitting vaping.

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Clearly you need to do some reading; nicotine, in the absence of all the other chemicals in tobacco smoke, is really not "addictive;" at most, it could be called "mildly habit-forming", similar to caffeine. Mostly that's because of the MAOIs, but also because of the addition of ammonia (thx big tobacco!), which causes the IMMEDIATE uptake of the nicotine and other alkaloids

https://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/
http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/
http://www.clivebates.com/
https://antithrlies.com/
http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/
http://www.ecigarette-research.com/web/
http://www.ecigarette-politics.com/

That last one is particularly informative RE: the non-addictiveness of nicotine. Read it, you'll be surprised.

Andria
 

theclaw20

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Clearly you need to do some reading; nicotine, in the absence of all the other chemicals in tobacco smoke, is really not "addictive;" at most, it could be called "mildly habit-forming", similar to caffeine. Mostly that's because of the MAOIs, but also because of the addition of ammonia (thx big tobacco!), which causes the IMMEDIATE uptake of the nicotine and other alkaloids

https://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/
http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/
http://www.clivebates.com/
https://antithrlies.com/
http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/
http://www.ecigarette-research.com/web/
http://www.ecigarette-politics.com/

That last one is particularly informative RE: the non-addictiveness of nicotine. Read it, you'll be surprised.

Andria


Nicotine is an addictive drug. Caffeine is also very addictive.

Nicotine Eliquid as inhaled through a vaporizer is extremely addictive. Nicotine is absorbed rapidly through lung tissue. Huge clouds of the stuff carries nicotine deep into your lungs. Vaporizers are designed to deliver nicotine very efficiently. PG and VG carry nicotine efficiently in vaporized form.

Do you not feel the effects of the nicotine from vaping eliquid almost instantaneously? I sure do. Do you really feel the effects faster from traditional cigs? I sure don't.

Vaping is much safer than smoking. Estimated as 5% as dangerous on the high end. But it is indeed very addictive. Common sense observation of vapers' behavior confirms.

Suggesting otherwise is disingenuous.

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AndriaD

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Nicotine is an addictive drug. Caffeine is also very addictive.

Nicotine Eliquid as inhaled through a vaporizer is extremely addictive. Nicotine is absorbed rapidly through lung tissue. Huge clouds of the stuff carries nicotine deep into your lungs. Vaporizers are designed to deliver nicotine very efficiently. PG and VG carry nicotine efficiently in vaporized form.

Do you not feel the effects of the nicotine from vaping eliquid almost instantaneously? I sure do. Do you really feel the effects faster from traditional cigs? I sure don't.

Vaping is much safer than smoking. Estimated as 5% as dangerous on the high end. But it is indeed very addictive. Common sense observation of vapers' behavior confirms.

Suggesting otherwise is disingenuous.

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You're wrong. Do the reading, before you just accept what the ANTZ are blathering at face value. Neither caffeine nor nicotine is "very addictive." Both are mildly habit-forming. The MAOIs in tobacco smoke are far more "addictive" than nicotine, and in combination with nicotine, make cigarette smoking "very addictive."

And yes, vaporized nicotine takes much longer to reach the brain, than the microscopic particles of nicotine and the other alkaloids in smoke, which are absorbed directly in the alveoli -- vaporized nicotine is absorbed via the mucosa of the mouth, throat, and nasal/sinus lining. About 15 minutes, versus less than 15 seconds with smoke.

Do the reading.

Andria
 

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