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Would definitely know the answer to that.

Odd question, but can one use these types of coils for salt nic juice? I mean, do I need a certain type of coil and/or certain type of cotton if I want to go the way of walt nic juice?

I know very little of salt nic, but I would love to try them out, but not sure if I can use RDA/RTA coils/cotton for such use.


The Aspire Nautilus AIO takes the Aspire BVC coils and Aspire "Salt Nic" BVC coils.

The only difference is the regular BVC coils are kanthal and have a spitback screen in them and the "salt nic" BVC coils are Ni80 with no screen.
Plus the salt nic coils have a little bit bigger wick holes.

I can't really tell a difference between them vape wise but the Ni80 (NiChrome) coils seem to last a few days longer.

I have two of the Aspire Nautilus AIO kits for when I go out.
I always like a backup plus it's good to be able to switch flavors without having to go through too much bullshit.

The Kanthal Aspire BVC coils last me around a week and the salt nic Ni80 coils last about 10 days.

I have no idea if it's the wire, the bigger wick holes, or something else.
 

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I used a 3 wrap clapton wire in my STM.
Clapton wasn’t a thing at that time.
We were just starting to twist strands of wire. We thought we were cool braiding 26gn80 with 2 strands of 30g ka1.
That’s what I call “Testing the aerodynamic properties of the...”. It just sounds better, lol.

Kind of like saying “I wasn’t just hitting the object with a hammer, I was using the percussion method of troubleshooting”



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the damned thing was pretty aerodynamic, once it got past the window.
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2am waiting for something to happen at work and I made my own Clapton coil. At least I'd be excited if it wasnt made of leftover 6ga aluminum and 18ga copper! If only copper and aluminum were capable of vapin off of, I would so have it made.

Lesson to be learned here folks, don't build vape coils from aluminum or copper unless you want to inhale toxic fumes released from the metal. There is a very good reason why we have the metals that we use in the coils.
 

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Am I the only person redneck enough to use a toothpick to wrap around when they first started building? I had a Kangertech SubTank Mini that I lost the little blue screwdriver to, so, I was wrapping 26ga Kanthal (before N80 became more mainstream) around a toothpick and used nail clippers to cut leads for a lot of my first basic round wire builds.



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No way dude. Toothpick is perfectly valid. I used a screw for a long time with the old spaced coils. It made it really easy to twist them and they came out perfectly spaced.
 

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Am I the only person redneck enough to use a toothpick to wrap around when they first started building? I had a Kangertech SubTank Mini that I lost the little blue screwdriver to, so, I was wrapping 26ga Kanthal (before N80 became more mainstream) around a toothpick and used nail clippers to cut leads for a lot of my first basic round wire builds.



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I can out-redneck that - I used cut in half Q-tips sometimes audio jacks, and even an electrical cord's plug trying to make a flat coil lol
 

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I like this vape, not sure if it's a favorite yet but I will be vaping it all day - for science!

60-90 watt range depending on battery level in this unregulated mod, 0.15 ohms and goes up as it heats up

It's a parallel build, just means two wires are coiled up at once, 28g SS430 grade
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If you want "clouds bro clouds" your not going to get that with high nic without the burn. This is the reason most high wattage vapers use 3 mg juice. Even at 6mg It starts to get a little iffy around the 80 watt range. I capped out around .4 ohms and 45 watts using 12mg before I decided to delve into a denser vape. And even that % was pushing the limit for my personal tastes. Also, your nic level is not the only factor to the amount of nic your consuming with each hit. High wattages burn more juice faster. So, at 3 mg and 100 watts it feesable to get the same amount of nic as you would with a 15mg at 20 watts (I honestly don't know the true ratio numbers here ... I just use that as an example to show what I mean).

The vape temperature (aka cool/hot/warm) is relative to each persons own tastes. Warm to me tends to be hot to many vapers. Hot to me is, on average, unbearable to a good majority of people.
Also, the vape temperature is determined by the build, atomizer, and airflow choice ... not just the wattage. For instance, I'm tokin on a compact .13 ohm dual coil at 105 watts on an airy atty right now and it is a comfortably dense vape that is warm but isn't burning. If I where to put a loose .13 ohm single coil in a more restrictive atty and try to vape it at 105 watts it would get HOT AF and burn the hell out of my throat. In turn, I can put a .5 ohm build on a different atty at 150 watts and it honestly isn't much "hotter" that the .13 at 100. It certainly might make you choke, if your not used to it. But, not because it's hot or burning ... but because your inhaling a hugely dense amount of vapor in comparison.

My suggestion would be to grab a good 24-25mm RTA with a large range of airflow. This will allow you to experiment with builds until you find what works for you. My other suggestion would be to not discount different vape styles until you've tried them. I'm living proof of that fallacy. I would never have thought that high wattage would be my preferred vape style. I spent almost 6 years steering clear of it because I thought "there's no way I'm going to enjoy that". I wish I had tried a loooong time ago ...

Wire selection is pretty easy. For a true beginner I would grab some 24, 26, and 28 KA1 (Kanthal) or Ni80 (80/20 Nickel Chromium Alloy). You can find wire suppliers, and reviews on them, HERE
My personal selection for cotton is Cotton Bacon Prime. Been using cotton bacon since V1 from years ago. But there is a myriad of choices out there. And you can always just buy plain old organic cotton.
There are only a few tools you NEED for basic building: 1- Something to wrap your wire around that you KNOW the diameter of. I've talked to people that use all sorts of things. I know a guy who uses knitting needles. Honestly though you can get a coil builders jig for almost nothing. 2- Something to cut the wire with. 3- An ohm reader (or quality regulated mod) to make sure your resistance is acceptable. 4- Scissors
Here are some suggestions to help a little more - Ceramic tweezers, Needle nose pliers, A good Coil Calculator

Edit: All the links in my post are good accept the pliers ... I didn't put that one in. VU tends to auto link key words like that lol
Lot of great info! I’m learning stuff! Thanks again for such an informative post!!!!
 

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Just went back and checked out the other posts ... and now I feel bad for posting all the porn. I really don't want to scare anyone off. The majority of my builds are for my own personal pleasure. Twisting wire is my hobby and my get-away. I often spend hours at the build station playing around. No1 needs to be able to do that to get a satisfying vape. If your new to building, or thinking about it, don't think that the exotic coils you see is your goal. If you can learn to get a good clean wrap on a single strand of plain wire than you can get a satisfying vape.
No, no, no! You’re awesome! Keep it up!
 

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2am waiting for something to happen at work and I made my own Clapton coil. At least I'd be excited if it wasnt made of leftover 6ga aluminum and 18ga copper! If only copper and aluminum were capable of vapin off of, I would so have it made.

Lesson to be learned here folks, don't build vape coils from aluminum or copper unless you want to inhale toxic fumes released from the metal. There is a very good reason why we have the metals that we use in the coils.
Man that's a m*th addicts dream. All that copper to steal. Lol. They've been stealing ac units here to get the copper out. Jeez

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Man that's a m*th addicts dream. All that copper to steal. Lol. They've been stealing ac units here to get the copper out. Jeez

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And that is why I am grateful to have security here. That and the terrorist supervisor we had a few years back, but yes lol.

I wish I had an atty that could accept a 6ga rod and wrap it in cotton. Ramp up would suck eggs, but surface area would be awesome lol.
 
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I wish I had an atty that could accept a 6ga rod and wrap it in cotton. Ramp up would suck eggs, but surface area would be awesome lol.
Well lets see to make a .1 ohm build, with ka1 since it has the highest ohm/m, thats 24 wraps on a 4mm ID. Just the deck would have to be at least 99mm wide (4.1 inches) wide. The bottom of the chimney would have to be at least 13mm (~.5 inches) from the top of the deck, and thats only if you can slam the coil all the way down almost touching the deck. Thats a HELL of an atty. I guess you could even it out a bit with less wraps and a bigger ID. And you would probably have to have a custom size threaded connector because a 510 would more than like snap with the weight of the atty.
 

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Well lets see to make a .1 ohm build, with ka1 since it has the highest ohm/m, thats 24 wraps on a 4mm ID. Just the deck would have to be at least 99mm wide (4.1 inches) wide. The bottom of the chimney would have to be at least 13mm (~.5 inches) from the top of the deck, and thats only if you can slam the coil all the way down almost touching the deck. Thats a HELL of an atty. I guess you could even it out a bit with less wraps and a bigger ID. And you would probably have to have a custom size threaded connector because a 510 would more than like snap with the weight of the atty.
And you forgot to mention how many car batteries it would take just to get it off the ground lol

Wow! My humblest thanks to give me even a remote idea of how that could be possible. Too bad we cant convince any kanthal suppliers to give us any rod that size, or any size that close just to BS around.
 

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My fav coil is a 3mm 26ga SS316L parallel 9 or 10 wrap coil that works out at around .35
I use this coil in both my OG Merlin and my wasp nanos.
The merlin I vape at 24-25 watts on a Kbox Mini mostly.
the Wasp Nano I vape on an unregulated pico squeeze. runs more like 35 watts? on there.
I use 25R's in my Pico squeeze. Tried VTC5A and it was too hot :)

I like a build that will work in multiple attys and either on a mech or regulated.

I like moderate clouds and a warm not hot vape.
 
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And you forgot to mention how many car batteries it would take just to get it off the ground lol

Wow! My humblest thanks to give me even a remote idea of how that could be possible. Too bad we cant convince any kanthal suppliers to give us any rod that size, or any size that close just to BS around.
About 15.5v and 155 amps just to get the party started. Quite a bit more to get clouds. And lets be real ... we aren't building this to MTL ;)
 

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So I'm not the greatest builder in the world, but I wanted to try something different. I try to use as much space in the RDA as possible while still being safe. I normally do some simple stainless steel fused claptons, 28*2/36 12 wraps. It ohms out to about .4ish dual coils. This is a little bigger. And I'm enjoying it so far. It's 28*2+.3*2/36 3.5mm all stainless steel. And it ohms to .28. My coils are a little jacked up. But they work. And the airflow is hitting the coils perfectly. 20181102_155555.jpg
 

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So I'm not the greatest builder in the world, but I wanted to try something different. I try to use as much space in the RDA as possible while still being safe. I normally do some simple stainless steel fused claptons, 28*2/36 12 wraps. It ohms out to about .4ish dual coils. This is a little bigger. And I'm enjoying it so far. It's 28*2+.3*2/36 3.5mm all stainless steel. And it ohms to .28. My coils are a little jacked up. But they work. And the airflow is hitting the coils perfectly. View attachment 123240
Nice. What watts and af are you using with that build. Do you prefer a deep long inhale or shorted hard hit?
 

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Nice. What watts and af are you using with that build. Do you prefer a deep long inhale or shorted hard hit?
I'm using temp control with this build I'm going between 70 and 75w 480f, af fully open. I like a long draw usually. My favorite build so far is a single fused clapton around .6 ohms at 52w 480f. Higher resistance with high power, airflow wide open with a 5ish second draw
 

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I'm using temp control with this build I'm going between 70 and 75w 480f, af fully open. I like a long draw usually. My favorite build so far is a single fused clapton around .6 ohms at 52w 480f. Higher resistance with high power, airflow wide open with a 5ish second draw
Favorite attys? Yep I'm nosy.:D
 

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Here's a pic of my (lightly wicked on the outside, but wicked rather firmly on the inside of the coils and using Cotton Bacon Prime with the wicks having been setting in there for two days so now they're chain-vapable-and-therefore-ready-for-vaping...) Reload RTA using that same 4.5 wrap 2.5mm ID, Ni80 27/36 aliens build at .11 ohms that I previously talked about, and that I'm actually vaping on as I'm typing this right now, on my Scoundrels CONSVR "US Navy" (single 18650 tube mech) with a Samsung 20S battery so still in my usual range of 120+ "unsafe" watts. The airflow adjustment on mine is wide open, but this RTA still has some restrictiveness if using it like that, which I find to be just the right amount of restrictiveness anyway, as my draws are fairly hard just like they're supposed to be in this particular case IMO because else the moderately restrictive feeling that brings out all the flavor simply just vanishes, and, I just wanted to show the coil positioning, how close they need to be to the air holes to give maximum flavor performance for me and how I prefer to vape on this RTA (it's the only RTA that I like, as all my other atomizers are RDAs... and I have lots BTW...) so others can try to replicate and compare, and hopefully also share their own findings about what works for them with this particualr RTA that IMO is still the best RTA of them all as it is the RTA that IMO comes closest to a quality RDA flavor performance wise (and, also IMO, with some juices actually even gives better flavor than even a top quality RDA, yes... seriously).

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Can you show off one of your squonk builds?

So it took five days :giggle: This is the Chalice 4

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For quite awhile now, I’ve been mainly using small chamber, single coil atties to squonk, mechs only. The very best being the Odis 16 – great MTL; the Challice 4 is great for RLH and the Hadaly are right up there – but I still love the Goon with the air clamped down tight


To be a further oddball, I like specialty drip tips that have the girth of a 810 but are 510 internally – my personal fave for tootle puffing. I cannot use acrylic even with an SS insert – leaves a funny taste, so I mostly go for ultem or Delrin


As a supertaster, can’t take kanthal, so SS it is. Haven’t experimented with NI80 in years, didn’t care for it when it first hit the scene. I keep meaning to try again, but time is of the essence for me, and I don’t have a lot of time to mess with something that I feel has a high chance of not hitting it


I like a cooler vape and anything under .5 ohm I taste metal, no matter what, so I avoid the super fancy aliens, etc. My favorite wire – even for the couple of RTAs I run at work – is the triple fused Clapton from Advanced Vape Supply, 32/3. I buy it in spools and wrap my own.


The fallback is 2.5 gauge, with 5 or 6 wraps, comes out to .6 ohms and gives great flavor, though sometimes I drop down to 2 for really small stuff, like using dual coils in a Nuppin

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My coils are pretty boring. For my dual coil RTAs I mainly use 26-28GA KA1 or SS316L round wire. I usually space my SS coils tho. I almost always use a 3mm jig. I will occasionally use 24ga wire but dat ramp doe.

I have a few single coil RTAs. For those I like fused clapton or alien coils from AVS. I like to vape anywhere between 45-75W.

I have a few RDAs but have never gotten into them much. That may change tho.
 

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Yawn...is everyone taking a nap today? Show us some builds!
I could post at least 30-40 different coils and break them down ... but A) that's a lot of work lol B) Anyone is welcome to check out the "Post your builds" thread to see most of them and are also welcome to ask me about them.
Been laid out for almost 2 days now. Pinched a nerve in my lower back. I've been tokin on this thing a lot since moving to much is difficult and squoking = no dripping ;)
Here's the specs for the build and why it COULD produce excellent flavor (I'm only getting "good" flavor out of it) and why I choose to vape it the way I do ...

From the inside out - 2x 32g Ni80 fused with Interlocking 42g Ni80 alien, framed with 2x 4 ply .3x.1 KA1, 28g Ni80 Frames, all fused with a spaced interlocking 40g Ni80 Alien, .18 ohm single coil on a 4mm ID in the Vandy Pulse 24 and Vandy 80w BF, at 55-60 watts

I chose the Pulse because It's the only atty I have that can handle the leads (I don't have any true clamp decks). It is not really intended to be a single coil deck. The airflow is pretty far away so flavor lacks a bit. But it isn't to bad. I imagine it would be wonderful in a real single coil RDA. But, I digress. I close the air down to 1 hole and take around 3 sec moderate to hard lung hits. It would be better with softer hits at lower watts, but this atty is extremely airy and, since the airflow is so far from the coil, I need to pull hard to get a good direct stream. And at lower watts, with lots of air, the flavor dilutes pretty badly since the coil can't heat like it needs to.

This has all the makings of a good flavor chasing coil. It has nice tight wraps on the inner alien, providing a lot of surface area for the juice to vaporize on. The interlock provides lots of cracks and crevices for pooling. And since the cores are a finer wire it ramps quickly. Then you have the ribbon which provides even more crevices. Since it's KA1 it ramps more slowly but helps a lot with wicking since it is in direct contact with the cotton. Then the outer frames act as staging/heating wire, once again helping with ramp time to counteract the kanthal ribbon. The outer wrap is mostly to hold it all together, though it does help a bit since it is a little more surface area.

A little coil porn of it -

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And a couple days into hard squonking on it -PicsArt_11-03-07.56.30.jpg
 

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I have become a fan of the Indented Alien coil. WPMac taught it to me. It's a complicated build but I've found that 24 gauge cores in Nichrome 80 and a 36 gauge Stainless Steel 316L Alien wrap make a phenomenal squonker coil. Resistance is around .20, and wattage for me stays around 45 watts for a single. On a dual Indented Alien it ohms at about .10 and I hit it with around 65 watts. (Unfortunately, I'm not building at the moment due to a foot injury that prevents me from sitting at my station for very long. But after I heal, I will resume building)
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I have become a fan of the Indented Alien coil. WPMac taught it to me. It's a complicated build but I've found that 24 gauge cores in Nichrome 80 and a 36 gauge Stainless Steel 316L Alien wrap make a phenomenal squonker coil. Resistance is around .20, and wattage for me stays around 45 watts for a single. On a dual Indented Alien it ohms at about .10 and I hit it with around 65 watts. (Unfortunately, I'm not building at the moment due to a foot injury that prevents me from sitting at my station for very long. But after I heal, I will resume building)
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Mind you, the Indented Alien coil has only 2 cores, so in the middle is just the Alien wrap. This makes for lots of surface area and crevices for juice to vaporize. Plus like other Alien variations, the coil is very much self-wicking.

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Thanks so much Letitia9! Building coils is my passion!

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You and WMPac make me want to buy a single coil atty that can accommodate those coils. Pretty sure the Recurve isn't up for it. Have a Drop but it just doesn't suit me with a single.
 

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A word on Stitching Alien coils (with photos). Stitching is very aesthetically pleasing but creates a situation where it "spits" if you turn the wattage down where it doesn't spit; vape quality suffers. I like building them in Nichrome 80 36g over 26g and 40g stitch. But unless they're in an RTA, they can be unpleasant to vape. Especially the Stitched Mohawk Alien.
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I am startin to feel that envy too. I would love to have something to build right now, but no clue where to start. So, that brings me to another question for our builders.

You walk in to your work station and find all your spools of wire gone. You go to your computer and you order your typical spools online.

What two spools of wire (or more) would you tell a beginner to buy to build and learn from?

Just askin for a friend.
 

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I could post at least 30-40 different coils and break them down ... but A) that's a lot of work lol B) Anyone is welcome to check out the "Post your builds" thread to see most of them and are also welcome to ask me about them.
Been laid out for almost 2 days now. Pinched a nerve in my lower back. I've been tokin on this thing a lot since moving to much is difficult and squoking = no dripping ;)
Here's the specs for the build and why it COULD produce excellent flavor (I'm only getting "good" flavor out of it) and why I choose to vape it the way I do ...

From the inside out - 2x 32g Ni80 fused with Interlocking 42g Ni80 alien, framed with 2x 4 ply .3x.1 KA1, 28g Ni80 Frames, all fused with a spaced interlocking 40g Ni80 Alien, .18 ohm single coil on a 4mm ID in the Vandy Pulse 24 and Vandy 80w BF, at 55-60 watts

I chose the Pulse because It's the only atty I have that can handle the leads (I don't have any true clamp decks). It is not really intended to be a single coil deck. The airflow is pretty far away so flavor lacks a bit. But it isn't to bad. I imagine it would be wonderful in a real single coil RDA. But, I digress. I close the air down to 1 hole and take around 3 sec moderate to hard lung hits. It would be better with softer hits at lower watts, but this atty is extremely airy and, since the airflow is so far from the coil, I need to pull hard to get a good direct stream. And at lower watts, with lots of air, the flavor dilutes pretty badly since the coil can't heat like it needs to.

This has all the makings of a good flavor chasing coil. It has nice tight wraps on the inner alien, providing a lot of surface area for the juice to vaporize on. The interlock provides lots of cracks and crevices for pooling. And since the cores are a finer wire it ramps quickly. Then you have the ribbon which provides even more crevices. Since it's KA1 it ramps more slowly but helps a lot with wicking since it is in direct contact with the cotton. Then the outer frames act as staging/heating wire, once again helping with ramp time to counteract the kanthal ribbon. The outer wrap is mostly to hold it all together, though it does help a bit since it is a little more surface area.

A little coil porn of it -

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And a couple days into hard squonking on it -View attachment 123335

That last image looks like you are vaping a mummified cat or beef jerky.
 

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One thing I'd like to say about the folks commenting in this challenge thread. I know many of these builders on here. They're all gifted and very talented builders. We all specialize in different types of coils; wires, gauges, methods, etc...many of us sell our wares here on this forum and elsewhere...but we all compliment each other...figuratively and literally. WPMac, PegLeg Meg, ShredTravolta, CrazyChef V2.0, The Hat Trix, raymo2u, so on and so on...we love sharing with each other, teaching each other, learning from each other, helping everyone in general. Aliens, Fused Claptons, Staggers, Staples, Framed Staples...we all do things a little different but get phenomenal results that we like to share with the masses.

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Letitia9

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My Recurve RSA rocks all the aforementioned coils of mine.

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Really? I guess the pics just make them look so big, especially on a phone. I'm good with a warm hit from a rda but dislike a hot vape. Thought maybe an atty a bit taller might suit me better.
 

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I am startin to feel that envy too. I would love to have something to build right now, but no clue where to start. So, that brings me to another question for our builders.

You walk in to your work station and find all your spools of wire gone. You go to your computer and you order your typical spools online.

What two spools of wire (or more) would you tell a beginner to buy to build and learn from?

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26 gauge Nichrome 80 and 36 gauge Nichrome 80. Best basics for almost any build from novice to professional builder.

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I am startin to feel that envy too. I would love to have something to build right now, but no clue where to start. So, that brings me to another question for our builders.

You walk in to your work station and find all your spools of wire gone. You go to your computer and you order your typical spools online.

What two spools of wire (or more) would you tell a beginner to buy to build and learn from?

Just askin for a friend.
26,28,30,36,40.
26-kanthal. Keeps the ohms up more than n80 or SS.
28-also kanthal or possibly n80 or SS if you have good batteries.
30 you could use kanthal,n80 or SS. Thinner guage won't be as low.
36and 40 I use n80 or SS for better color after heating. Has a cleaner flavor to me.

But those are pretty much the staples of basic builds. Start with a single wire and when you feel you're ready you have the wrap wire already. Kbeevapes has spool packages for 20 bucks or so. And yes I know there are cleaner wires before I get jumped on about that. But I've never had any issues with their wire. Temco is a great company. I see a lot of master of clouds as well. Use it regularly.

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Really? I guess the pics just make them look so big, especially on a phone. I'm good with a warm hit from a rda but dislike a hot vape. Thought maybe an atty a bit taller might suit me better.
An Indented Alien rocks in a Recurve RSA! It's what I'm vaping right now! .20 ohms. Medium warm vape. Lotsa flavor production!

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What two spools of wire (or more) would you tell a beginner to buy to build and learn from?
26 and 28 n80 and ka1 are the cores in most of my daily banger builds, and 40 n80 wrap for everything. i would be sore without some ribbon wire and other things, but if i just needed my normal builds, those couple spools would have me covered for all my normal setups.
 
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Letitia9

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26 and 28 n80 and ka1 are the cores in most of my daily banger builds, and 40 n80 wrap for everything. i would be sore without some ribbon wire and other things, but if i just needed my normal builds, those couple spools would have me covered for all my normal setups.
I have a question...since switching to ss almost exclusively I'm not fond of kanthal but prefer to keep in the .2-.4 range. Can you mute the kanthal with Ni80 and/or ss in a complex coil?
 
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