Trouble breathing after two years vaping

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  1. billiam

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    Hello, I just joined to ask the community here about their experiences with breathing problems related to vaping. Interestingly, I can smoke a ********* or cigarette without my breathing getting shallow. When I say shallow I mean, after I vaped all day three weeks ago, I couldn't take a deep breath. It feels like I am trying to take a deep breath but the bottom of my lungs aren't filling up. It feels like a 90% breath every time. My shortness of breath has lasted for 4 days after quiting vaping. I never had this happen no matter how much I vaped in the past two years, up until three weeks ago. There are no other new environmental or dietary changes in my life. No new stress. Vaping is of course how I relieved my stress. I've been vaping with a 70 w Siegeli, or whatever, airtek dripper, and Juicemafia's Highway 4 75/25 vg/pg 6mg juice. My buddy was saying maybe it's because I have such a high level of VG, or maybe because 6mg is too high for me. But I don't think those are the issues, I might just have sensitive lungs. Oh, and I did go to the doctor, they listened to my lungs and took an x-ray. My lungs look good and clear on the x-ray and listening to my breathing only revealed a slight tiny weeze. Again, this completely came out of nowhere. I'm wondering if maybe something happened to my juice, like it sat in the sun too long and changed it's chemical components or some shit. I don't know. I just want to understand the causality! I need my crutch! I should also mention this not being able to take a deep breath has also interfered with my yawns. It's like I want to yawn but my body can't quite do it properly. Any feed back would be appreciated. Thanks!
     
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    Well, since your doc didn't seem to offer any feedback....

    Have you tried vaping a bit higher in PG with any results?
     
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    Lower ur nicotine.....



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    I haven't tried higher pg yet or lower nicotine yet. I was just hoping someone else out there has had the exact same experience. I will try both those changes though for sure.
     
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    I felt this when I was dripping 8mg nic
    Then I
    Lowered it to 6mg for a couple of months, then I started to feel the same way AGAIN!!
    I'm down to 3mg with my rtas
    I drip 1-1.5mg any vg/pg ratio I'm fine now..
    Once in a while I get the sob when I dripped 3mg...
    Make sure you drink lots of liquid, nicotine is a VASOCONSTRICTOR
    the more you consume the more you constrict blood flow/oxygen to ur body that's why you feel that way...
    Lower ur nicotine and vape less
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    I have this exact same problem when the humidity is high. Has the weather changed where you live? Has the humidity gone up? It might not be the case for you, but every time the humidity gets up to 60% or more here, I have that feeling of not being able to get a good breath. It goes away at night when I'm resting, and after the humidity goes down again, of course.
     
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    Well, I live in Hawaii, so the humidity here is about average. I used to live in Iowa where the humidity gets terribly high, but this never happened to me.
     
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    I guess I'm wondering if somehow nicotine has built up in my system to such an extent that even days after stopping vaping I am still feeling vasoconstriction. Why didn't this happen within the first year I wonder? Why all of a sudden? Especially during my last semester!!!
     
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    Since ur md already ruled out anything that might be a lung problem via X-ray,I think you should tell ur md to do a
    ABG test... X-ray alone doesn't give you the whole story you know...
    Maybe weather? Humidity? I don't vape when I'm outside, so I wouldn't know!! But that's a possibility...
    Go and have cardiac work up, I know you still young, but it's better to know now than later.



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    Since ur md already ruled out anything that might be a lung problem via X-ray,I think you should tell ur md to do a
    ABG test... X-ray alone doesn't give you the whole story you know...
    Maybe weather? Humidity? I don't vape when I'm outside, so I wouldn't know!! But that's a possibility...
    Go and have cardiac work up, I know you still young, but it's better to know now than later.



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    I have been only vaping for about 2-3 weeks now but I noticed that my nicotine content was too high, I was at 2.4 now I'm at 1.2. I literally had to cut it in half because I was just getting too much of it. I was coughing, throat hurting and couldn't take a deep breath. Now I'm fine thanks to my doctor.
     
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    This sounds alot like what I experienced too. Only difference is mine came on 3 weeks after vaping. Been off vaping since last Saturday and my chest is clearing up. Maybe my 3mg nicotine was too much for my chest? I felt like it came on strong when I made the jump from 25w to 40w. I didn't really so baby steps. Maybe I could get some zero nice of same flavors and cut my stuff down? I guess vaping 0mg to start would be a tell tale sign for me too. I jumped into 3mg be a useful that is what my shop owner suggested to me.

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    This happens when you VAPING on bad nicotine as well


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    I vaped for 2 weeks with one brand just fine...about 6 days after switching to a different one is when I felt it. Both were 80/20 and 3mg nic

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    The body can start being allergic to something out of the blue.
    I found out the hard way I was allergic to cashews.
    Never was before but hadn't had any for a few years.
    Then ended up eating some by accident (vending machine decided I needed them) and I couldn't breath.
    This may not be the case but don't rule out the possibility.
    So could be PG, VG, or NIC.
    I'd start by reducing the NIC.
    If that doesn't help, reduce VG.
    Then PG if still no change.
    Obviously it'll take a while to tell if there is a change in the way your body reacts to each change you make so don't rush it.
    Make small adjustments at a time and allow each change ample time for your body to react so you know for certain it was your intended change that did it and not something your body was still trying to adjust to from your previous change.
     
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    Hey Billiam, if you have vasoconstriction it's the nicotine. If your lungs feel full when you breathe
    or are having a hard time breathing it's VG.
    It's possible you're vaping too much. I suggest you vape PG for a while
    and don't vape as much or as long when you do vape. Take a few weeks off
    and give your lungs time to expel the VG coating, even 6mg/ml can be too much nicotine if ingested all night
    or at high wattage.
     
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    For some that may be the case, I vape 70/30 10mg all day long. I don't have that, but I have heard some can be more sensitive than others too.
     
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    12 watts?


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    about that:D:bliss::cool:
     
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    I vape at 20mg/ml all VG except for the PG in the flavors. I know it raises my BP a bit
    but nowhere near as much as 36mg/ml, however I have noticed the difference
    between all night vaping less than 50% VG (store bought) and mostly VG (DIY)
    in moderation it's negligible. But as you said it depends on the individual.
    I'm fine with peanut butter but one of my buds swells up from it.
     
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    15 to 35 watts depending on the tank/RDA and coil resistance I use.
     
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    Not bad, I remember those days
    When I was vaping 24 mg at 12 watts
    It was the best vaping satisfaction... now I just blow clouds and not get that mtl gratification!
    I'm not saying I couldn't vape that way again, I just enjoy


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    I have to have the fullness of a cloudy vape, thus I use VG
    and I still use 24mg/ml sometimes, usually in the morning to help wake up.
    I cut down my regular vape to 20 mg/ml mostly to stretch my nicotine stash
    but also to maintain my BP at a healthy level.
    I've found I can do 20 mg either in an Aerotank at 1ohm at 15 watts or an Aspire Atlantis at .5 ohm at 35 watts,
    the same for other tanks like a Kayfun Lite depending on the resistance I roll my coils at.
    When I drip I use no higher that 12 mg/ml. I well recall coughing for a half hour
    the first time I used an RDA, .5 ohm with 24mg/ml

    I ran into an old(er) man the other day who was using 8 watts, an Atlantis Nauti with a 1.8ohm coil
    vaping 6mg/ml. The guy said sheepishly that he was still smoking 15 ciggies a day. Why bother?
    I suggested he increase his wattage and nicotine strength and he'd probably quit the ciggies altogether.
     
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    I thought VG was healthier and more natural than PG? I also thought, from what I read, VG is absorbed by the body very quickly? I was vaping A LOT at night. I was probably breathing more vape than actual air lol. It's how I get my homework and art work done! But now, I don't know wtf it is. It's been a week since I vaped and I still feel tight in my chest. I have still been smoking something else ;P to ease the pain, but even that is messing with my lungs now which has never been the case in 12 years of smoking. I'm going to have to take a few weeks off and see another doctor. I've had asthma my whole life but this symptom doesn't feel like asthma. It's a totally new and different shitty feeling.
     
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    How long would the effects of bad nic linger? Like I said before, I switched brands and flavor up after a week when I started vaping. The following morning I felt like shit. Heavy chest and lots of nasal and sinus congestion. I brushed it off as a cold bug since there was one around my house. I still vaped some, but was a different one again for a week or so. Then my chest felt really shitty and I was coughing a ton of clear mucus up. A hint of yellow (sorry for these descriptions). I have been off vaping for 9 days and still have a slight cough but nothing bad now almost no nasal congestion. Any thoughts?

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    It's called WITHDRAWALS
    Read this....
    https://stevevape.com/smoking-withdrawal-symptoms/

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    I was never a smoker. Started vaping from nothing. I started to vape out of curiosity and something to take the edge off and ease some stress. I also do it because my friends smoke when we go out. I just sit outside at smoking areas and wanted something to do at those times. I really enjoy it so far....but I only vape on my commutes...2 to 4 ml a day tops.... on a binge night of vaping I did 4 over 5 hours...that's a lot for me. I am running 40 watts and a .4 ohm coil.

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    Oh shit!! Really!?
    QUIT VAPING!
    Or
    Try VAPING WITHOUT the NICOTINE
    And try different VG/pg ratio ejooze
    Go from there, if none of those resolve ur symptoms
    Just QUIT VAPING DUDE..,


    Take ur meds NARCIS
     
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    Well... after 8 days of no vape I tried a couple of puffs tonight. This was a trial to see if it was the vape or a cold bug causing my chest issues. I can say with certainty it is something in the vape. I took 2 mediocre draws at 25w. I have been coughing up a lung for 2 hours since and it's clear mucus. Chest hurts, I have extreme teeth sensitive, back pain, and a headache. Vaped an 80/20 3mg nic lazy llama juice that I have had before without this quick of a reaction. Assuming the few weeks of vaping had got something in my lungs that I just have to clear out and stop putting back in.

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    have you ruled out mold in your house behind your walls and such. I to had an issue a while back but it turned out to be a small case of black mold behind a wall. after that was properly dealt with a case of antibiotics and yogurt I was back to vaping.

    also are you drinking plenty of fluids water not booze. have you tried a 0 nic all vg drip and working your way down by adding in PG. have you rulled out seasonal allergies , food allergies. have had a full physical with a colon check.

    what I am getting at is simple to to say vape is the only thing maybe inaccurate unless you can say you ruled out the rest which is a lot of testing.
     
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    Why would my symptoms come on 10 days after I started vaping.....then start to go away after I stop....then magically come back the day I try it again? I was at the doc today for a consult for a surgery coming up. He said my lungs appeared to be clear as well. I was feeling great. The minute I put down my mod after just 2 puffs....coughing it up again. I don't know which part of my blend my body doesn't like but it's definitely in it.

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    I didn't want it to be in the vape. I really enjoyed it...until this cough and all the other crap came along.

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    I've had my blood oxygen level tested twice in the past two weeks during this whole breathing issue. Each time they took it it said between 97-99%, which means my lungs are working fine. In fact, I ran yesterday and today and sprinted for a while with no problems. So my lungs appear to be working just fine, and the X ray showed nothing out of the ordinary. So WTF is going on? I don't know if I mentioned this before but my yawn is sort of messed up too. I start to yawn then I loose it because I feel tightness in my chest. Any ideas? I'm really worried it could be COPD. My mom has that from smoking cigs for 30+ years
     
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    if COPD is a concern I would get it tested again... you could also be having myoclonic jerks (sp) a sort of seizure of the diaphragm if memory serves so getting a general test to rule them out might be a good idea.
     
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    I'm going to see a pulmonologist asap. I saw another doctor at the urgent care last night because I've been so paranoid about COPD. This doctor said her dad died from COPD at 54, he smoked cigs until the day before he died! She said my lungs sound good, and based on my background and age, she doubts I have COPD.....yet. She highly advised I stop smoking all together which I agree with but am very sad about of course. She said I probably just damaged some Alveoli because of how much I was smoking and how often. I was really smoking a lot of wacky tobaccy and and vape every single day for the past two years, and the former for a previous ten years. She said at my age and fitness level (I went running the past few days with no problems) I should be able to bounce back and reverse the damage.
     
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    Although its obviously important for us to have medical issues checked out..
    I can't help but be concerned about the effect on future insurance coverage.

    So.. for something like COPD.. I believe the diagnosis is a result of symptomatic tests like you answering "yes" that you have been coughing up stuff regularly for 2 months , a previous diagnosis of bronchitis , plus you fail the breathing force tube test thingy. (sorry, Im not a doctor.. lol).
    The point being, once you "fail" these tests, you are labelled with COPD and you will have to tick the YES box on all insurance forms forever (because they usually say "have you ever been diagnosed with the following.." or worse yet "have you ever been testing for..")


    Dont get me wrong.. if you need medical attention and treatment, by all means get it done.
    And, the insurance companies do have a right to know your medical issues before they grant you coverage.
    Just.. move wisely.
     
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    I've had this before and I don't think it's vaping related. My guess it's either anxiety or possibly allergies. The only thing that ever 'cured' it was to stop thinking about it, eventually I retrained my brain to stop thinking I needed a huge gulp of air every 5 minutes to feel satiated.
     
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    I am really on the fence with this again. Got rid of my smok osub mini, and thinking I might try a kanger evod or the like. Figure it makes more sense to play with a smaller wattage mtl pen and low or zero nic. Would like to try some 50/50 juice and see how it goes. I think I just need to pin point what part of my juices triggered my lung issues.

    What I've tried
    Lazy lama peach cake donut (80/20 3mg)
    Cosmic fog sonrise and sonset (70/30 3mg)
    Kings realm empress (80/20 3mg]
    Mother frogger cryptic (80/20 3mg)



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    Neither VG nor PG is "natural", yet both are "organic." PG is thinner, so the lungs can get rid of it faster. Vg is thick -- think of thick paint vs. thin paint -- thick paint takes FOREVER to dry. All vapor will condense on the linings of your airways; VG leaves such a thick coating, many people can feel it, and suffer distress in their breathing.

    Try some 50/50 and see if that helps. Actually I'd suggest MORE nicotine, so you could vape less.

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    One would assume that backing off on the wattage is going to reduce my nic level being absorbed too wouldn't it

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    So you can smoke a tobacco based unit and a ******* and don't suffer a shortness of breath? I find that as intriguing as your vape issue. Try the lowering your nicotine level and vg percentage. Try to avoid chain vaping also. I got what's called symptomatic asthma from the fireproof bands they added to cigarettes back before I switched to vaping.

    Basically what would happen was if the air was super cold and I breathed it in while doing something strenuous it would trigger an attack. Same thing if it's too hot and humid out. You could also try doing slower easy mouth to lung pulls. Let us know how you make out.

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    To leave off smoking and soar....
     
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    Dude, sorry to reply so much after your post..I got involved
    in the politics stuff arguing with idiots.

    Vg is more "natural" than PG but it also expands more in your lungs
    and makes bigger clouds. That's one of the reasons glycerin is used in commercial fog machines.
    That, and in July 2001 DOW, a manufacturer of Propylene Glycol, issued a document titled "PROPYLENE GLYCOL - CONSIDERATIONS AGAINST USE IN THEATRICAL FOGS" where they state "As a result, use of propylene glycol in theater fogs is impractical..

    I recall having an asthmatic reaction to a cloud of fog machine fog at Disney World once.
    The consensus from vapers with asthma or COPD I've discussed this with is that the higher the VG
    the more wheeze we get. The magic ratio seems to be no more than 40% VG and the rest PG
    and all is well.
    I've recently changed my mix to 50/50 and have less issues than with 80% VG
    I plant to make a 40/60 batch next.

    I see you mention smoking herbal meds also and I'm guessing it's probably
    that together with your vaping. Inhaling combustibles irritates the cilia then when you
    vape, the vapor which is an astringent gets in the irritated cilia and makes your bronchial tubes swell.

    Try making herbal extractions in PG and vaping your meds...

    Other than that I suggest as have several others that you see a doctor just in case...and don't vape custards
     
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    Yeah I have a problem breathing to but my is a little different I have been vaping for a year in half and in the last week I have had shortness of breath when am playing with my friend I did not notice it till they said something that I was breathing really heavy when I get excited and my brother said he could hear me breathing really heavy 20 feet away in the other just from unhooking my PS4 from my TV and I have started notice it really sets in at night that's when it's at it's worst your not alone there has been a lot of reports on the internet about this the people that are making are coils and juice's need to do more research for use because now it's doing more harm then good
     
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  48. Whiskey

    Whiskey Diamond Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    Dude this thread is over a year old , you joined and 1st post is slammin' Vaping , I see your ANTZY pants
     
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  49. AndriaD

    AndriaD Shine on, you crazy... VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 3 Years ECF Refugee

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    And his complete ignorance of punctuation. ;)

    Andria
     
  50. ej1024

    ej1024 VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    Try vaping then play basketball
    Come back here and post!


    I BAM
     

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