Roger Schaeffer
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Not buying it. There's something else going on in China. All the hobnobbing and smiley-faced handshakes are a smokescreen for what's hatching behind the scenes.
There's no logic behind two US reviewers being invited to a Chinese safety meeting.
Maybe Evolv and Hana are there to sell or trade their tech to the Chinese?
I am still feeling the greasy wonder twins sold us down the river.Welcome to the newest vaping term: "Licensed Authentic Clone"
That could in fact be the case. This is why when it comes to authentics...I only buy locally made, handcrafted mods.I am still feeling the greasy wonder twins sold us down the river.
Nah his sell out intentions were about a year ago when he went on his clone/sub ohm rant.Busardo's reputation as an unbiased reviewer just took the shit.
Busardo's reputation as an unbiased reviewer just took the shit. This is what happens when just a regular joe gets his cherries polished by hoards of slobbering lemmings....and turns into some self proclaimed superstar. My observation is that most of these "Vape Celebs" are now too good to hob nob with the people that put them there! On most of the streaming shows...unless you are a vendor, fellow "celeb" or have tits...you are a nobody. The cronyism and "We are now above the" attitude can only at some point drive a wedge in the community. Has anyone been individually thanked for the awards recently won??? Who actually WON those....the person named, or the organisation? Or the people that made it possible? I'm sorry, but I am not remotely inclined to kneel at the pedestal that these paper tigers put themselves upon......oh.....and I dont have tits.
Sure about that??Vape celebs? Bwahahaha. Youtube posters who get vape gear for free to review and monetize the situation. Question them and they get all bent out of shape at how hard they have to work to make a video review with expensive battery tubes and the latest and greatest wunder-watt mod. I'm in agreement with you Franciscan on just about everything in your post, except you do have tits, just not female jiggly ones.
Sure about that??
DratHe's got hair, I know you don't (now anyway)...
There is a precedence... its called 'licensing' and things built under one are known as 'built under license' and therefore not a 'clone'Welcome to the newest vaping term: "Licensed Authentic Clone"
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Yeah, because there has never in the history been any form of collusion in this country. Organized crime does not exist. Price setting and market gouging stopped in the 1930's. No conspiracy has ever been proven true and most importantly, people who make public policy have nothing but the worlds best intentions in mind....always. Silly people with their ideas and thoughts. Can't we all just trust the feds, the rich and the famous to look out for our best interests, they have done so well for us so far.LOL... Where are the tin foil hats when you need them?
Useful Idiots that we unwittingly created....thus making ALL OF US useful idiots. That is the truth of it.Yeah, I am far from convinced, this meeting was just a chance to shake hands. Dmitri and Phil are really nobodies in the industry. But they do have influence.
It isn't "tin foil hat" territory folks. China has no use for either of these two, unless they plan to make them their useful idiots. Trust me, they read the boards, and know WTF is going on over here.
It's not like either of them have said much of anything, about what happened over there. So, why wouldn't that raise eyebrows?
I do not argue your point.Useful Idiots that we unwittingly created....thus making ALL OF US useful idiots. That is the truth of it.
You can find Phils very first post on ECF still.... What a noobI hate to cast stones at the golden calves....but we just want to vape.....yet the "You need me....you would not be able to have what you have without me" attitudes of the so-called "Vape Celebrities".....here included....is pretty insulting at times. The information disseminated to us is of value...but the egos that have been born of it are not. I will qualify my remarks by saying there are some humble ones out there....Grimm, Todd...and a certain few that are providing a service and not looking for internet stardom like @Nikkita6....but the rest have just ascended to their thrones and have little to do with anyone but their "peers". I wont name names...but I remember a certain one of these "Anointed ones" that was a complete NOBODY on ECF about a year ago......and you know who you are.
But again... These two only wield the influence that you give them. They aren't an "official" any damn thing. They are just 2 guys doing something that they seem to enjoy.China has no use for either of these two, unless they plan to make them their useful idiots. Trust me, they read the boards, and know WTF is going on over here.
Why? Because even if they were trying to do something nefarious, there is nothing that they could possibly do that would negatively impact me. So help me understand what exactly it is that you are afraid of them doing. I just don't see it.It's not like either of them have said much of anything, about what happened over there. So, why wouldn't that raise eyebrows?
But again... These two only wield the influence that you give them. They aren't an "official" any damn thing. They are just 2 guys doing something that they seem to enjoy.
I have been vaping for 14 months and both of the devices I use every day were not ones that Phil recommended. I honestly don't "follow" any reviewer. I've only seen a few Dimitri videos.
Why? Because even if they were trying to do something nefarious, there is nothing that they could possibly do that would negatively impact me. So help me understand what exactly it is that you are afraid of them doing. I just don't see it.
Thanks for taking the time to explain that. None of that bothers me anymore. Our own government did that already. Those are old tricks. It is also the reason we can't buy anything made here. If they price fix with the Chinese, I'll buy from Mexico, Canada, or make my own mod.Price fixing.
Colluding to squeeze out ANY competitors.
Colluding to appease the FDA and other regulatory agencies. While at the same time, putting themselves in a position that BT has enjoyed for some time.
Just to name a few.
I honestly don't trust them, either. But I'm worried that they are going to attack us militarily. They can do whatever they want with the vape industry.I honestly do NOT trust the intentions of China and the manufactures over there. Saftey is a low level priority to them, if it is even on their maps at all. Money and power, however, is at the very top of the priority list.
True but works for you does not work for me, you call how I and others vape a sport I call it staying off of tobacco.I highly doubt these guys traveled to China to just shake hands, talk about mod safety and eat fried rice...I'm sure it will all come to light very soon, vape world moves very quickly...personally though, I don't really care what they're doing over there, I know what I like and vape safe, IMO cloud chasing has become a sport and has little or nothing to do with what ECigs were meant to be.
True but works for you does not work for me, you call how I and others vape a sport I call it staying off of tobacco.
Those guys I wanna shake hard enough to make the sagging skinny jeans fall off. They give us all bad names.Vaping to stay off cigarettes might be the case for you as it is for me and many others, but you are no doubt aware there's plenty of kids these days that have never smoked a cigarette in their life and vape for sport because they think it's cool and it's what their buddies are doing...I've questioned many of the younger demographic customers at my local vape shop, asking them if they ever smoked cigarettes....many of them never did, and when they roll up for a dripper build I hear them tell the builder..." I just want to blow big clouds"
Those guys I wanna shake hard enough to make the sagging skinny jeans fall off. They give us all bad names.
Couldn't agree more brother...Having been a heavy smoker myself for 35+ years the ECig saved me, I loved smoking and never thought I'd be able to quit, patches and nic gum were a no go for me, I got my first ECig 3.5 years ago...a Green Smoke cigalike mind you, the day it arrived I never touched another cigarette, I do like my nic buzz though...I've never used anything but 24mg strength.
So these kids that have never smoked and vape zero mg juice for cloud blowing is a little strange...I just don't see the point if you never smoked, but to each his own I guess.
3-6 would be enough for a 0 nic user to get sat on their ass plenty hard.You got that right sir. Only thing that kept me off cancer sticks is my vaping.
I don't know about vaping to blow clouds as a non smoker, seems odd to me too. My woman never smoked, she vapes. She uses no no Nic and it is funny of she inhales it because she coughs her ass off. She doesn't inhale it. She had a tank and my old A7 dripper. She vapes candy vapes and desert vape. Instead of snacking she takes a few puffs off her mod and it keeps her from hitting the fridge of cupboard. I know someone who is diabetic and does the same thing to not eat sweets and keep there sugar down. So there actually potential healthy legit reasons for vaping beside just us smokers quitting.
I think the nonsmokers cloud chasing is more fashion than any kind of function. To me it is like a person saying, hey I never drank, what's this NA beer all about.
It is America so while we all can, let them have their low octain clouds. I would like to swap one of their bottles of no nic with some 12mg onetime. Just so I can say, hehehe don't like really vaping, do ya?
3-6 would be enough for a 0 nic user to get sat on their ass plenty hard.
of by rain you mean projectile vomit.. go for it.Yes it would, but why make it sprinkle when you can make it rain.
of by rain you mean projectile vomit.. go for it.