Vaping Bans: News and Commentary

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  1. Rhianne

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    Well, Altria owns them and they’re prolly chummy with the FDA.
     
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    Put me on your list please, and you can send me some of your custard, Cromwell!
     
  3. The Cromwell

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    I dunno that is dangerous. People have died in the throes of orgasmic ecstasy after trying Cromwell's Custard.
     
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    I haven’t heard anyone say orgasmic in quite a while! Maybe not since RHPS or something. :giggle:

    I’ll chance it, Cromwell. But I’ll really try not to expire!
    These are way too interesting times now!
     
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    So as of yesterday jack ma officially off the words 电子烟 off of his online sales network. So u can no longer search those 3 characters together on his network of taobao aliexpress and xian fish.

    This is a quite huge news for vaping in China cuz a lot of ppl use taobao as a platform to do business and its huge cuz u have an online store instead of a physical store. (No store rent, no electricity bill, everything is cheaper)

    Now the problem lies what's next? Like u can still find vape products on there, it's just that u have to be more specific when u type and must avoid using those words at all times when u search.

    This is the first time I have seen anything like it in China. (This is a country where u can even rent a gf online)

    Also relex one of China's largest pod companies (also the most popular) has also pulled off their official sales online. Meaning all their legit online sales stores are all gone.

    The country that doesn't give a shit is finally giving a shit. But don't worry he have enough ppl to absorb it all lol (just look at the economic war lol)
     
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    Trump was just on. he said vape news is coming next week. the way he sounded, he is not going to throw us totally under the bus.
     
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    They were saying something yesterday about putting e-cigarettes and vapes in two different categories. I am assuming by e-cigarettes they are talking about cigalikes and closed pod devices..and by vapes the mean mods and tanks...IDK.

    I havent lost all hope yet, but I am prepared for the worst just in case.

    Sent from my LGL84VL using Tapatalk
     
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    could be, and that could turn out good, or bad. he did say there were a lot of jobs, in a fashion to imply jobs would not be lost.
    we'll seee soon.

    same here.
     
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    The damage is done. The vape shop up the street from me just closed and 15 people are out of work.
     
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  12. Vape Fan

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    @17:15
     
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    I called the White House a couple of days ago and the guy who answered the phone said, "Ai, yai, yai!!" before he transferred me to the 'comments' line. It's just a guess, but I am assuming I was not the first call of the day?
     
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    Nope, I called, my wife called, my brother, and my mom called(she's been vaping for 2 years and she's 79)

    Sent from my LGL84VL using Tapatalk
     
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    This is informative and highlights how legally complicated it shouldn't be, but is.

    However, I was annoyed at this comment by a guy underneath.
     
  16. The Cromwell

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    I don;t know about the 4 packs a day thing but I have no issues with capping nic at 20 mg freebase or salts.
    Cut down the nic level and teens would not be as attracted to it to get a buzz..
    20 mg should be enough to get anyone off of cigs that want to get off of cigs that is.
     
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    For closed systems maybe, but I was more miffed at the presumptuous notion of killing salts altogether. I like salts. I like em the way I like em.

    You have been very forthright with me, which I always respect and appreciate, but to the best of my recollection you've never endorsed taking away my adult right to the adult products of my adult choice.
     
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    I love that your mom vapes! So great.
     
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    seems the CDC is finally, openly, admitting, sort of, that vit-E is the cause of all this.
     
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    seems the CDC is finally, openly, admitting, sort of, that vit-E is the cause of all this
     
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    @5150sick posted about the glorious CDC "breakthrough" here

    I had a similar "breakthrough" last week when I discovered that hitting my knee on something causes pain. Who knew?
     
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    Quoted from USAtoday.com

    Federal officials announced Friday they discovered an oily derivative of vitamin E in the lungs of patients hospitalized with vaping-related illnesses, a finding the principal deputy director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention called a "breakthrough."

    The additive, vitamin E acetate, is sometimes used to dilute oil, particularly by street dealers. is the compound in that produces a “high."
    Of 29 lung tissue samples from 10 states tested for the additive, all contained vitamin E acetate.
    "These new findings are significant because for the first time, we have detected a potential toxin of concern – vitamin E acetate – in biologic samples from patients with lung injuries associated with the use of e-cigarette or vaping products," Dr. Anne Schuchat of the CDC said.

    She described it as a "breakthrough" that the additive was found "at the primary site of injury within the lung."
    The CDC reported that as of Tuesday, the outbreak had sickened 2,051 people and resulted in 39 confirmed deaths. Schuchat noted the "trend in cases appears to be downward, but some states are still being hard hit."

    Federal and state investigators previously found evidence of vitamin E acetate in samples of the substances vaped by hospitalized patients, but the new test results tie the ingredient directly to the injuries. Officials used a diagnostic tool to collect lung fluid samples and identify cells containing tiny oily droplets known as lipid-laden macrophages, which are a marker of the disease.

    Dr. James Pirkle at the National Center for Environmental Health described the additive as sticky as honey. That helps explain why it was found in all the 29 lung samples, though was found in 23 of 28 samples tested for it. Pirkle said wouldn't necessarily remain in the lungs and urine tests might have been needed to confirm its presence.
    Also Friday, the Illinois Department of Public Health reported the results of a study that found lung injury victims were more likely than noninjured vapers to exclusively use , buy those products from informal sources such as dealers, street sources or friends and to vape five or more times a day.

    The survey found young men were more likely to vape products most often. One in four men ages 18 to 34 reported using -containing e-cigarette or vaping products five or more times each day, compared with 13% of similar-aged women.
    The majority of lung illnesses were in people who vaped nicotine and or alone but came as teen nicotine vaping numbers soar, increasing pressure on regulators to act.

    The legal age for vaping varies by state; many allow it at 18, and others increased it to 21. E-cigarette use among high school students more than doubled from 2017 to 2019 to 27.5%. About 5.3 million middle and high school students used e-cigarettes this year, up from 3.6 million in 2018.
    On the White House lawn Friday, Trump said his administration, which has been lobbied heavily by the vaping industry, will come out with "a very important position on vaping" next week.
    "We have to take care of our kids, most importantly, so we're going to have an age limit of 21 or so," Trump said. "We have a lot of people to look at, including jobs frankly, because you know it's become a pretty big industry."
    A pro-vaping rally is planned for Saturday across from the White House.
    Gregory Conley, president of the American Vaping Association, applauded raising the legal purchasing age.

    "It appears President Trump is wisely preparing to enact smart regulations rather than embracing the losing politics of prohibition,” Conley said. “Raising the age to purchase tobacco and nicotine products to 21 puts the industry on a similar footing with other adult industries like alcohol and ."

    Contributing: John Fritze

    Sent from a Galaxy far far away!
     
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  25. The Cromwell

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    But Vitamin E acetate is FDA approved...

    Shows that all things safe to eat are not safe to inhale.
     
  26. The Cromwell

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    But Vitamin E acetate is FDA approved...

    Shows that all things safe to eat are not safe to inhale.
     
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    They should have came to VU and asked. This could have been over b4 it started :D
     
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    Thanks, I needed a good laugh :giggle:
     
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    That was your knee jerk reaction to the “news” about Vitamin E acetate. We’ve only been talking about it on this forum since kids started getting sick!
     
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    So many things that have been “GRAS” by the FDA are bad. I wouldn’t be surprised if glyphosate has that label!

    Hey, Cromwell. How’s it going?
     
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    Great comment! :giggle:
     
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    does that mean i should stop inhaling beer, pizza and burrito's ?
     
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    In a literal sense yes :)
    You wanna get Burrito Lung?
     
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    Stop inhaling JD already. You’re a fire hazard. :giggle:
     
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    LOL Thanks, I needed a good laugh.
     
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    man, you just gotta take the fun out of it. :rolleyes:


    brb, i'm go'n to get a Burrito :banana:
     
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    i already was/am a fire hazard. specialy after eating @ TACO BELL or White Castle
     
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    Careful, that was the argument the "scientist/researcher" was using about PG and VG in the video with Grimm Green. Just sayin.
     
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    I just feel that as time goes on we will find that some ingredients used in ejuice are safer than others.
    We are vaping in uncharted territory.
    imho all ingredients used in standard nic ejuice are FAR safer than smoking.
    If something in vaping winds up killing me 10 years beyond what smoking would have killed me it's all good for me :)
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    isn't that with everything in life.
    just look at BCF, they list some radioactive ones. the thing is, for most people, the concentrations are so low, comparably, who cares.
     
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    Yum, White Castle! They used to have one pretty near to here. :cry: I’d think, yep, Tacos would be a danger.
     
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    Been using Capella Vanilla Custard V1 for over 4 years now and for the last couple it is about all that I vape.
     
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    I thought those were the diacetyl ones. Radioactive juice. :huh:
     
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    I went to get it at ECX and they only have CAP Vanilla Custard. So I’m assuming it’s version one?
     
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    LOL when White Castle first showed up in my area we all called em Rectum rockets :)
    Keeps you regular.
     
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    I can’t remember if they affected me that way, since I haven’t had them in a couple years.
    Who knew it was so much fun where you hail from!
     
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    all right girl, i'm gonna come over there .....
     
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    With radioactive juice?
     
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    lol, yes they can. but i kept them in moderation. there isn't even one in this crap hole town.
     
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    well, its about beer drink'n time, so see ya's in the morning.

    :goodnight:
     
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