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Discussion in 'The Good' started by 5150sick, Feb 13, 2020 at 6:16 PM.

  1. 5150sick

    5150sick Under Ground Hustler Staff Member VU Administrator Senior Moderator VU Donator Diamond Contributor Mod Team Leader Member For 5 Years

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    Pastorfuzz Silver Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    At least all of us here know this is bullshit although 90% of the rest of the world believes it.
    I've run into at least a couple dozen people this year alone telling me my vape will kill me and some of those said vaping is worse than cigarettes.
     
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    Rhianne Diamond Contributor ECF Refugee

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    Good argument for vaping. Thanks, 5150.
     
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    @DonBaldy This is a good short article that’s pro vaping. Check it out, it’s an easy read for your SO.
     
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    I stopped reading the article after "Yet, nicotine is not harmless. It is highly addictive".
    Because,
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    https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...acco-products-2018-executive-summary#nicotine

    There is no evidence to support the claim that vaping normal doses of freebase nicotine is addictive in humans. None whatsoever.
     
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    What can you expect from the UN? The man in charge of the WHO is wanted for war crimes in his country.
     
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    Rhianne Diamond Contributor ECF Refugee

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    Like they said, they’ve got no problems with nicotine from patches, gum or lozenges. Just vaping. Because you can actually quit smoking with vaping and stay quit. The other methods, not so much.

    I haven’t tried quitting vaping, so I don’t know how addictive or not the nic in juice is.
     
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    Any and all of the so-called "scientific" evidence in support of the claim that there exists such a thing as "nicotine addiction" is confounding nicotine with inhaled tobacco smoke, which, as we all know, is fundamentally different from inhaled nicotinic vapor. As we all also know, vaping nicotine can reduce withdrawal symptoms resulting from smoking tobacco abstinence in humans who are addicted to smoking tobacco. Research confirms that administering nicotine intravenously also can reduce these same symptoms. But how does this prove that nicotine is addictive, when the reality is that in any and all human test subjects that have been studied, the one true focus was on smoking tobacco addiction, not "nicotine addiction"?

    https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1002562

    In the article linked above, a reference is made to this article:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2928221

    So then, here we go:
    Case in point: do a search for an article that focuses on nicotine as a determinant of addiction to nicotine, not as a determinant of addiction to tobacco... just one article. Find that.
     
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    I agree, since when I quit smoking, the vaped nicotine wasn’t really totally dealing with the withdrawals from cigarettes. It helped, but not completely. But enough that I did quit smoking. So there is a difference between tobacco nicotine and plain liquid nicotine.

    Also, there’s added chemicals in cigarettes that are addictive, and I think they make quitting harder. Once you’re “detoxed” from them, it’s easy to not smoke. But a lot of new vapers go through fairly unpleasant withdrawals if their nic isn’t high enough mg to pick up the slack (as it were.) Jmho, based on my personal experience.
     
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    Exactly. But there also is a difference between vaping freebase nicotine and vaping nic salts, especially the nic salt formula that is being used by Juul.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...y-identical-to-a-marlboro-study-idUSKBN1YL26R

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...y-evidence-it-was-hooking-teens-idUSKBN1XF1JG

    https://www.vapor4life.com/blog/the-truth-and-technology-behind-juul-and-nic-salts-revealed
     
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    It’s ironic that Altria makes Marlboros and Juuls! I have some nic salts that I mixed with to use with a Naut Mini. I wonder if it’s the same as in Juul. I don’t vape them a lot, though.

    I can’t see you ever vaping plus ohm low wattage! Or a pod. :giggle:
     

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