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  1. arrowcrest

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    I've been vaping for about 4 yrs. I have built my own coils for about 10 months.
    My question is about temp control or just use watts. All the reviewers on You Tube are always saying " Great flavor and clouds " for about every mod and tank they review. But my problem is they are always talking about
    the factory coils and mods used in watt mode. When I do see someone talking about RTA's or Temp Control I will see other reviews talking about all the trouble with Temp mods or wicking RTA's. I bought a Ijoy Captain PD270 about 2 weeks ago so I could build coils with SS and then saw reviews about trouble with that mod and SS wire. And they were right. I am returning it tomorrow and not sure if it's worth all the trouble.
    I could REALLY use some advice on this. Thank You/
     
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    i find TC Useless
    i used TC with nickel wire on a few mods and it was ok but didnt like the flavor of NICKEL VERSUS SS wire
    so goto a mod or 2 that supposedly does SS TC and that never worked right.
    Theres tricks to doing SS TC - spaced coils and a good mod. EVeryone I think agrees a DNA mod can do SS TC amazingly
    The newest IPV mods seem to be able to handle it
    I have a IPV 5 which has a manual TCR mode and never found it to do SS TC well at all
    Same for my one SMOK KOOPER PLUS

    I just dont get TC - the basic plus to me is no dry hits and a consisntent temp
    well i build SS claptons dual build coming in at about .6 or so ohms on all my rtas and find the vape consistent to me
    and its very rare for me to dry hit my coils I normally can tell from experience when teh juice is just about gone and all is left is th ejuice on the cotton

    so to me no reason to use tc

    others swear by it

    but you dont need TC for clouds or flavor

    But stop listening to reviewers - look on here and other forums for REAL USER EXPERIENCES - they are better and you can interact with the person easier. Just watch out because some people on a forum are reviewers so you have to take that into account and decide for yourself if the fact they are a reviewer skews their opinions
    Reviews are great for specs...to see it...see how it goes together, . the can answer some questions and point out FACTS
    but ignore their opinions because those are their opinion and yours may be totally different.. Now if you happen to find a reviewer who you totally agree with after getting something, then you may start taking their opinions more seriously
    BUt we are all different. Just because TC is not my thing doesnt mean it cant be your thing. The beauty of vaping is its very customizable and we can all do our own thing
    some people MTL at 13 watts in single coil builds
    some DL at 3000watts with .000000000000000000000001 builds
    and some are every where in between

    If you are serious about SS TC get a DNA and do your research on how to use escribe to set it up
    however someone else on here may suggest a partuclar mod that is also excellent for ss tc. I stopped worrying about TC ages ago so havent really kept up. In fact I do not buy mods with TC
    Another one I know people love for TC of all wires is the Hohmtech slice and g2 it can actually TC kanthal
    but before you buy another mod
    search for it in this foruma nd other forums like reddit and see what real users are saying about it and maybe even interact with them about it
     
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    If you want temp control that works you can't go wrong with a DNA device. The Hohmtech G2 is good also. I am sure others will respond with additional options.
     
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    Personally, I do not use temp control. Tried it many times, mainly with SS and titanium wires, but found it not to my taste... Complicated to setup/tune, frequent hiccups, sort of an anemic vape - even when things work properly - all in all not worth the extra effort for me.
    I do admit it has some definite advantages, low(er) temperatures preventing eliquid from generating nasties (aldehydes, acrolein, ...), still I can't be bothered to jump thru so many hoops for having a vape
     
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    Funny, I find my DNA sucks for TC...before half a tank is gone I usually switch to wattage mode for a more consistent vape...But on my Ipower or coolfire 4, I can vape all day on TC mode and be perfectly happy with the vape.
     
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    what type of wire and what type of coils??
     
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    I did a ton of reading about the Hohm Wrecker G2 (because there is a metric shit ton of information on it here!) before I bought one. I've had it less than a week. I've been tc'ing all of my attys with kanthal and SS builds. I haven't been able to get the oscillating (to keep the dry hits/cotton burning) to work yet, but then I don't understand the fsk curve feature yet either. Watts mode works perfectly fine. I think HT knew their demographic. I'm a fiddler so it's perfect for me. It's clear that they truly want their customers to figure it out since it blatantly states in the manual that you should skip watts mode (they say you could have bought a different mod if that's all you wanted). They have also kept up on updates and put up videos to help owners out. I love that!

    If you want a HW or any of their mods I suggest finding one now. According to some people what is left out there is all there is, or will be. Indeed, I bought mine from the store in Maine and it was the last one. I paid $60 shipped. I believe you can find them around that price today. Buy one now, or save for a DNA I guess.

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    Just to way in on the conversation, I have been vaping for 10 years. I tried TC on Titanium and SS numerous times and I could never get the vape I preferred using TC. Now I just use wattage on everything. I have 2 DNA200 mods and 2 DNA75 mods. I also own various other regulated mods and mech mods. To me, TC is just too much of a pain in the butt especially considering how good my vape is with just good old wattage mode, or on a mech mod. Some have had great success with TC so it may be great for you. My conclusion on TC is if you do not mind a cooler vape, you may want to try it because I had great success with a cooler vape. I happen to like a nice warm vape and it just seems TC does not quite get there for me.

    Anyway, as others have said, everyone has a different preference. So this is definitely something you will have to figure out for yourself.

    Happy Vaping and Good Luck on your journey!
    CV :)
     
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    I got it so I could use ss wire and make Clapton dual coils.
     
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    Mostly aspire cleito SS...but I also tried 26g 316l frm UD and another brand I can't remember

    I get a few good hits then it gets anemic. Tried locking the ohms and not locking them, no difference what-so-ever in vape quality

    It is a flask 133 by vaporshark
     
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    TC was my go to for quite some time but as I moved towards single coils and lower wattage, I use it much less. I still enjoy it but I'm lazy in my old age and like to minimize over thinking when possible.
     
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    I messed around a whole lot with my Alien, trying everything I could to get a vape I really liked (I'm picky about that and ejuice), messing with resistance, and it always ended in wattage mode. For some reason the ramp in tc was way too soft and slow.

    If I can't get this figured out I'll stick with VW since I know I can get what I need that way. I was just looking forward to better battery life and no dry hits.

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    better battery life? LG HG 2 problem solved imho
    no dry hits. just pay attention it becomes second nature to know the taste of drying out cotton before its too late
     
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    Sorry but I don't know what LG HG 2 stands for? Could you tell me? Thank You
     
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    LG is the brand and HG2 is the model of battery they are 20ish amp batteries with 3000mah
     
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    From what I've heard the alien sucks in tc
     
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    Thanks I got it now , just not up on all the abriveations.
     
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    its what i use on all my mods
    you can also get samsung 30Qs they are 3000 mah as well

    BUT FYI if you ar eplanning on doing super low ohm builds <.2 at super hig hwatts >120 you should sacrifice battery life for amps and be safe
     
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    I agree with the above that if you are going to vape 120+ watts you should at least get some 25amp batteries. Look up the battery chart by " MOOCH " as he has tested numerous batteries and is pretty much the most trusted person when it comes to true battery ratings. I never have a problem because I rarely go above 100 watts on a triple battery mod.

    Happy Vaping!
    CV :)
     
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    ok edumacate me
    almost every regulated mod I have ever seen is series and in series you do not increase you amps only your voltage. IN parallel you increase amps. I know there are some parrallel regulate dmods out there I think, but series is most common
     
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    Yes, you are right. Sorry about that. The amp limit is not increased but you can push more voltage so no need for low ohm/high amp builds.

    I must have been half asleep when writing that last post. Thank you for catching my error.
     
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    I meant to point out that I'm attempting good tc on my new Hohm Wrecker. I'm using kanthal right now and after fiddling with it today I can happily say that I've got it dialed in. The mod ramps at full power momentarily then your chosen wattage takes over to your set temp. It is working correctly and I have the fsk curve set to where it *just* fires while the wick is wet. As soon as it starts to dry it fires for a second then backs off to zero. I can tell when my rda is drying before the mod can, but I only care about it not firing in my pocket or anywhere else it's not supposed to. I do believe that I will see an improvement in battery life (honestly, it's already really good. Better than my Aliens).

    TC may not be exacting in its ability to determine actual temperature, but that's of little consequence to me. This mod is doing exactly as I was hoping. I will be testing all kinds of builds and attys for my own edification. I love this stuff and this mod seems quite capable.

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    The main problem with the LG HG2 batteries is there are a lot of fakes out there, and, even if you buy from reputable vendors, they can still be fakes because there is no easy way of telling they are fakes─so what makes a reputable vendor reputable is what they'll do once they find out they've been selling fakes. In addition to this, both the Samsung 30Q and the Sony VTC6 perform a little better than the LG HG2, and in fact if you're only looking at 3000 mAh batteries, the VTC6 is the best performer of them all. https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...-vs-samsung-30q-vs-sony-vtc6-shootout.757553/
    Despite this, it has come to my attention the VTC6 hardly ever gets mentioned around here by the vast majority of people trying to hand out battery advice to other forum members. I don't know why. Maybe there's an anti-Sony allegiance going on.
    To anyone seeking truly unbiased advice on which 3000 mAh battery to choose. Please also read this:
    https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...ts-which-lasts-longer-vtc6-30q-or-hg2.807131/
    That is, still assuming 3000 mAh batteries are what you're specifically looking for. Personally, I, prefer to use the VTC5A instead because neither the VTC6 nor the 30Q would survive my vaping style for longer than just a couple of months... if your batteries go far above 45°C (113°F) frequently and or for long periods of time, then you're abusing the batteries so you'll need to strongly consider getting higher amp batteries.
     
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    I suggest LG HG2s becuase that is what I have used for years. In fact I have some that are going on 3 years old and work as good as the ones I bought a few months back
    I do not now if the sony VTC6 or Samsung 30Qs are as good or better. Sure mooch says they are. Which for many is good enough and honestly based on that alone I am willing to try those two batteries out without hesitation and would expect them to be at least as good as the LG 2. But I have not used them so I ca't speak on them.
    And there is no anti sony group here, for mechs thats what 95% of people recommend here

    Also i dont like your statement for truly unbiased advice....lol we are not biased, we just know what we know and base our info on that. Mooch's job is playing with batteries. SO for more KNOWLEDGEABLE advice check out mooch for sure, but as far as bias the only bias here is against rewraps
     
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    you know that is one advantage, if your mod starts firing on its own, like you said in your pocket. I have had that happen many times ove rthe years. Its probably happened with my one mod in the car about 6 times this year alone. Its annoying. Cant use the coils till i rewick because the cotton is burnt etc etc. SO that would be great. But if I werent so lazy and actually turned the mod off when not in use, it would accomplish the same goal. BUt TC is great for that coupled with my laziness.

    Alas until the FDA pulls its heads out of its asses, I still will pass. There is no non vaping tech out that can replace and do the same job as a TC mod. Where as for power mode, you have PWM and mech And dont tell me that DNAs have warranties and FSK this and that.
    NOONE not even the owners of those companies can say for sure if they will survive FDA regs as they are. SO Im not going to spend the time and money on a technology that may be gone in a short period of time and be unrepairable.
     
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    I use SS TC on my Dripbox 160's and like it very much.
    That is the only place I use TC. Mainly in case I forget to squonk and do not want to get a burned hit.
     
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    Hold on. I didn't say those people you are referring to as "we" are all nothing but biased, but still nevertheless I expect there always will be at least some who are.

    Either way, there is nothing wrong with buying rewraps. That is, as long as you know which battery is underneath the wrap, and as long as you apply correct rules of battery safety─and apply them by using the TRUE specifications of the battery that's underneath the wrap, NOT the specifications printed on the wrap NOR the specifications provided by the manufacturer. However... some (or a lot of) people on this forum seem to always want to forget that ideal battery choices also depend on the amount of wear and tear that goes on inside the batteries, which is part determined by how you use the batteries.
     
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    On battery re-wraps.

    The battery re-wrapper can change what is under their wrap at any time.
    Mooch may get a re-wrap to test and the next batch may have a different battery under the cover.

    I am of the opinion of "Just Say NO to Re-Wraps".
     
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    I am of the same opinion as Mooch. Meaning, it all simply depends because if you happen to be in a shop looking to buy new batteries and it's not clear which battery is under the wrap, then if you get the chance to just tear off the wrap, just tear it off and see what's printed on the battery underneath the wrap. Another perfect example of why it depends is that (per Mooch) the iJoy/Efest/Ampking 20700 battery (all are the same) appears to use a Panasonic or Molicel under the wrap─and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
     
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    Tear the wrap off the battery?
    Ohh yes buy a new battery and immediately have to put a new wrap on it...
    I have HG2's that are 2.5 yrs old and still have a nice wrap on them and still working fine. I am sure the total mah has dropped a bit but still fine.

    NO thanks, I will just buy authentic batteries from trusted suppliers. Which is often cheaper than buying re-wraps.
    LG, Samsung, Sony, etc only for me.

    20700 batteries? If I need any I would buy only authentics in them as well.
    Since I am not a fashion chaser I do not expect to have any 20700 devices soon though.
     
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    If the choice is between 1/ just tearing off the wrap, and 2/ not being able to vape due to having no batteries, then just tear off the wrap─and then put on a new wrap after that.
     
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    Plan better and have backups.

    What if you tear off the wrap and find it to be a 10 amp Panasonic?
    Just removing the re-wrap does not make it safe to vape with.
     
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    Not everything always goes as planned. What if your backups are in your suitcase and it gets lost at the airport whilst you're too far away from home?

    If you find it to be a 10 amp battery and you need 20 amp ones to be safe, then simply continue your search for 20 amp batteries. Find a different shop if necessary... do whatever it takes to still be able to keep vaping AND to still be able to keep vaping safely.
     
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    What he is saying is if you already have the batteries you can remove the wrap to see what they are. Then if they are safe, rewrap them. I would agree with this action under those circumstances. Rewrapping is incredibly easy and the wraps cost pennies each.
     
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    Ahh yes if you already have the batteries. I can see that.
    yep on the re-wrapping I have wraps and top rings standing by for when I need them.

    I do NOT however take wraps and such with me on trips.

    And if things get bad enough with vaping on a trip it is not the end of the world. I could either just do without or smoke a few cigs till I got back. I smoked em for 40 years and a few more are not likely to make much difference.
     
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    Here's what Mooch has said about rewraps.
    Code:
    https://youtu.be/jg1M7QQVIAQ?t=2467
     
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    I had seen that and most other Mooch battery advise out there.
    What he said is that you do not know what is under the re-wrap. Might be a VTC4 might be a 3.9 amp Panasonic...

    I am a 40+ yr electronics tech.
    I avoid all re-raps and only buy from trusted suppliers.
    I also do not have a battery Cross reference with me all the time to understand what all the numbers and letters under the re-wrap mean.

    I just avoid em.
    The only battery I have had fail in 2.5 years was a PTVSO re-wrap that I won.
    Made it about 6 months and then would not hold a charge.
     
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    In most cases I avoid them too. But if I'm not able to vape because I've lost my batteries, then I won't light up a cigarette unless there is no fast easy way for me to just grab new batteries knowing they are safe, and, as for those 20700 30A 3000 mAh batteries, the iJoy/Ampking/Efest are all perfectly fine for me because Mooch says so... in fact I'm vaping on not just a single, but two 20700 iJoys in series as I'm typing this. Using them in my Vaperz Cloud XXX tube mech with the XTension tube on it.
     
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    I won't buy re-wraps because I won't reward the company that blatantly lies for profit knowing that the safety of their customer is at stake. Fuck that.

    My girlfriend has a few efest batteries that have rediculous claims on the wrap. I believe they say 40 amps. She is exceedingly intelligent, but knows almost nothing about batteries.

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    Ahh, yes... profit and lies. In the case of Efest they're more expensive even though the battery under the wrap is still the same as the non-rewrap so I would avoid them as much as possible, but I wouldn't go as far as to smoke a cigarette if that's what it takes to avoid them. In the case of the 20700 iJoy... I been joying it lots! :p
     
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    All 20700 rewraps are not good.
    Mooch found one that from the ratings indicated that it was the 30 amp one but it was the 15 amp one....
     
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    Yeah, it's this one...
    https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...ously-overrated-false-data-do-not-buy.812261/
    But the one rewrapped by iJoy/Ampking/Efest is not the (30 amp) Sanyo NCR2700A nor the (16 amp) Sanyo NCR20700B. Instead, it's a 30 amp one that appears to be manufactured by Panasonic or Molicel. (I think the reason it appears to be that is the style of the wrap is still exactly the same as the good old Panasonic Molicel AA size NiCd rechargeable batteries I was using like 20 years ago... those were flashy pink and blue with a silver Panasonic logo and a white text on a black background, but the thickness, the feel, and the four seams of the wrap all are definitely identical as they are all very distinctly recognizable characteristics of the wrap.) It's about 100 mAh less than the Sanyo NCR2700A, but at 30 amps it hits about .1 volts harder than the Sanyo NCR2700A so I still like it.
     
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    Using TC mode requires the correct wire for the coils and in my personal opinion SS316L is the best vape I can achieve. I have used other wire in factory made coils with TC but when I started using SS316L I have not used anything else. Smooth clean flavor IMHO. Remember though that taste and opinions are subjective plus like buttholes everyone has one. :vino:
     
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    The Cromwell VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    Yep once I got into SS316L for both power and TC vaping I just abandoned all my Kanthal.
    Must have 8 rolls of unloved Kanthal in a box.
     
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    I know exactly what you mean I have a bunch of sick crazy premade coils (like Aiens/Stapled Clapton) in my coil boxes that are other types of wire like TiNi and they are just sitting I guess until I get bored.
     
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    SteveS45 Platinum Contributor Member For 1 Year ECF Refugee

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    I have never used SS316L in power mode though because you can't cook the cotton with TC Mode.
     
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    The Cromwell VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    Great for TC squonking.
    Or mech squonking.
    or RBA in power mode...
    I use the same coil configuration in my squonk attys for TC and mechs.
     
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    I have a tendency to take very long hits which when using TC never get a dry hit or burned cotton. Maybe I will try it one day and see how it goes. Never say never you know? @The Cromwell
     
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    I also like long slightly restricted lung hits.

    my fav build.
    3mm dia 25 ga SS316l
    Duals working out to ~.3 - .4 total resistance.
    Vapin the same build in the same atty on a CV and a DB160 in SS TC mode today.
     
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    I'll take all that kanthal. I tc kanthal very well in the Hohm Wrecker. Seriously, it vapes extremely well. I have my current setup dialed in so well I can't go back to watts. I know as soon as my rda starts going dry and it makes it easier to drip on since I never have to pull the cap to check. Just a squirt down the drip tip and off I go. Of course everything else tc's well too, but it's cool (to me) to use kanthal. I still have a few spools of ss waiting for me at home though just for ramp times. I can see why some wouldn't want this block and it's silly symbols though. Too bad the fsk chipset isn't going into more mods. It's a wasted technology that has real merit.

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