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i think some TV's might listen to you now :)

As long as they don' talk back.....


BWAHAHA
And they watch you too ;)

*stands watching electricity arc from television cord to his knife* "Oh yeah? Go unfuck yourself TV."

No I didn't but plenty of times I feel so compelled, the same with the Internet & Web as well. There are 14 sets of eyes now always on each of us. By sets of eyes I'm referring to STATE agencies, like here in the U.S. we have N.S.A, C.I.A, F.B.I, D.I.A and probably a host of other alphabet soups. Then you have likewise agencies in other STATEs, M.I. 6, M.I.5, HMHQ (Home Office) in England/Britan/U.K.. You've Russian equivalents, German, French, Indian, Roman, Chinese. Somewhere there was a report and it mentioned at least 14 different agencies globally monitoring the Internet & Web. I'm so glad I hide all my secret plans in stenography images secured with truly randomized (I use random salts against random key generated numbers) random One Time Password/phrases which get encoded unto a One Time Pad that is whisked away by armed Ninja/S.E.A.L guard teams to a remote and unknown to me secret location. There's even a dead man switch and anonymous dead drop protocol which needs followed. Now if I can remember where I put my big toe, all will be right, :)

And actually all my gravely secret plans? *points to kidney* In my brain. I trust no paper, we've seen what trees did to Logan. I trust no machines, have seen how bad a day Will Smith had talking to I Robot. I for sure don't trust my wife, I even sleep one eye open in the same bed as her. She has insurance on me and is just waiting to cash in. Got her fooled though, I'm not even worth a plug nickle.
 
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I used to be a store manager for Gamestop. I loved it! Only problem was I spent my paychecks on systems and games. I also had a job right before that where I was a logistics specialist. That was a fun job! In the military I was a 92Y, which stands for unit supply specialist. That was a boring job. Basically sat in a warehouse all day keeping inventory, handing out supplies and weapons, and fixing supplies and weapons. I enjoyed working with the weapons, but the inventory part bored me.
 

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I started out on a Gateway computer help line. Then I started working as a computer programmer. After a few years I got bored with that and apprenticed myself. Eventually I became a master baker and pastry chef. I did that for years till I got injured. Now I'm on disability living off the government.
 

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I started out on a Gateway computer help line. Then I started working as a computer programmer. After a few years I got bored with that and apprenticed myself. Eventually I became a master baker and pastry chef. I did that for years till I got injured. Now I'm on disability living off the government.
Just curious, and if you don't want to say that's sure fine, but did you get injured as a chef?
 

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I went into a walk in freezer that had ice on the floor. I slipped and landed directly on my knee pulverizing all the cartilage. After they operated that knee kept buckling and I ended up falling on the other knee. I can barely stand some days.
 

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I went into a walk in freezer that had ice on the floor. I slipped and landed directly on my knee pulverizing all the cartilage. After they operated that knee kept buckling and I ended up falling on the other knee. I can barely stand some days.
Wow, sorry to hear that. That is awful. My mind went to sharp knives and such, nothing like that.
 

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Btw, I remember Gateway. I had an old roomate that worked for them for a while. They were very good to him if I remember correctly. I wonder if they are still around?
 

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Wow, sorry to hear that. That is awful. My mind went to sharp knives and such, nothing like that.
I cut my hand open once but the surgeon did a fantastic job putting it back together. I was out for a month but was able to go back to work. I was a lot more careful with knives after that!
 

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I cut my hand open once but the surgeon did a fantastic job putting it back together. I was out for a month but was able to go back to work. I was a lot more careful with knives after that!
I'll bet! I would imagine chef's have all kinds of knive horror stories. I don't cook much, or use a knife much for that matter. But one time I was slicing a bagel witha serrated knife, stood it on its side in my palm. Went right through the bagle, and right through half of my hand :eek: I leave the sharp stuff to wifey now :rolleyes:
 

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Btw, I remember Gateway. I had an old roomate that worked for them for a while. They were very good to him if I remember correctly. I wonder if they are still around?

I remember them, too. Ordered and installed hundreds of Gateway personal computers in our company when we were first setting every employee up with a PC. Had plenty of contact with their salespeople and with customer service. They were top-notch for us and I was very, very fond of that company.
 

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I am currently using a computer that says Gateway on the front. Bought about 3 years or so ago at Wally World.
Windoze 8.1 in it. No compalints with the PC.

I have an older one loaded with XP pro down in the Vape Bunker.
 

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I remember them, too. Ordered and installed hundreds of Gateway personal computers in our company when we were first setting every employee up with a PC. Had plenty of contact with their salespeople and with customer service. They were top-notch for us and I was very, very fond of that company.
Yeah, I know he was really sad when they closed up here. He went to Circuit City, Beef A Roo, and many paper routes just to make what he did there. The guy was nuts. Would work 18 or 19 hours a day, game for 2 or 3, sleep for 1 or 2, then do it all over again. Seven days a week. Never stopped talking about Gateway though.
 

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I am currently using a computer that says Gateway on the front. Bought about 3 years or so ago at Wally World.
Windoze 8.1 in it. No compalints with the PC.

I have an older one loaded with XP pro down in the Vape Bunker.
Definitely around at least longer than they were here then. It had to be 15-20 years ago the one here closed.
 

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Definitely around at least longer than they were here then. It had to be 15-20 years ago the one here closed.
Can't remember but I think the name rights got bought out by someone.

googled.
Gateway Inc., previously Gateway 2000, was an American computer hardware company based in South Dakota and later California, that developed, manufactured, supported, and marketed a wide range of personal computers, computer monitors, servers, and computer accessories. It was acquired by Acer in October 2007.
 

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Can't remember but I think the name rights got bought out by someone.

googled.
Gateway Inc., previously Gateway 2000, was an American computer hardware company based in South Dakota and later California, that developed, manufactured, supported, and marketed a wide range of personal computers, computer monitors, servers, and computer accessories. It was acquired by Acer in October 2007.
Ah, that is interesting. We have two Acer LT's, and love them. Super cheap and have had them for a long time.
 

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Ah, that is interesting. We have two Acer LT's, and love them. Super cheap and have had them for a long time.

lol! Three of our tablets and two of our laptops are Acer (here at home). I only recently changed to Asus Zenpad tablets.
 

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Western digital, makers of quality hard drive storage solutions.

Seagate.... makers of cheap crappy hard drives that whine and die.

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A lot also depends on your own personal definition of "crappy". Successful datacenter companies like Backblaze have been very well aware of Seagate's relatively high drive failure rates for ages, but it didn't stop them from buying more Seagate drives anyhow so, the potential risk of permanent data loss caused by multiple drive failures comes first and foremost from having an inferior data backup strategy, not the actual drive's annual failure rate (AFR).

Granted, not all data is critical enough to everyone for it to be worth the extra cost, time, and effort spent on making real backup copies so, yes of course keeping every one of all of the drives up and running 24/7 in a NAS can be an excellent choice to consider because, yes of course there's still always the option to let the data volume rebuild itself by using some certain types of data redundancy options (be it in RAID configuration or otherwise). But not all data needs to be accessible 24/7. That is, not to me it doesn't. Each time when I know beforehand I won't be accessing a certain drive for at least a little while, I just force it to sleep, and, if the drive in question is the type of cheap green desktop drive that automatically goes to sleep in such a cheap way that it gives me no power management setting that would have allowed me to make it stay awake, I just work my way around that problem via software if necessary so it still doesn't bother me one bit... I can't watch 500 movie titles at once, and, I certainly can't listen to 20,000 music albums at once.
 

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A lot also depends on your own personal definition of "crappy". Successful datacenter companies like Backblaze have been very well aware of Seagate's relatively high drive failure rates for ages, but it didn't stop them from buying more Seagate drives anyhow so, the potential risk of permanent data loss caused by multiple drive failures comes first and foremost from having an inferior data backup strategy, not the actual drive's annual failure rate (AFR).

Granted, not all data is critical enough to everyone for it to be worth the extra cost, time, and effort spent on making real backup copies so, yes of course keeping every one of all of the drives up and running 24/7 in a NAS can be an excellent choice to consider because, yes of course there's still always the option to let the data volume rebuild itself by using some certain types of data redundancy options (be it in RAID configuration or otherwise). But not all data needs to be accessible 24/7. That is, not to me it doesn't. Each time when I know beforehand I won't be accessing a certain drive for at least a little while, I just force it to sleep, and, if the drive in question is the type of cheap green desktop drive that automatically goes to sleep in such a cheap way that it gives me no power management setting that would have allowed me to make it stay awake, I just work my way around that problem via software if necessary so it still doesn't bother me one bit... I can't watch 500 movie titles at once, and, I certainly can't listen to 20,000 music albums at once.
Thank you for reminding me why I do not make use of my college education in computer networking, programming and repair.
Too much man...I used to love computers, building and repairing. Then I went to college. Now I really hate using or even looking at desktop computers and servers and routers and don't get me started on printers...
I paint houses. Less stress there. No database backup strategies. Just sketchy ladder acts.

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A lot also depends on your own personal definition of "crappy". Successful datacenter companies like Backblaze have been very well aware of Seagate's relatively high drive failure rates for ages, but it didn't stop them from buying more Seagate drives anyhow so, the potential risk of permanent data loss caused by multiple drive failures comes first and foremost from having an inferior data backup strategy, not the actual drive's annual failure rate (AFR).

Granted, not all data is critical enough to everyone for it to be worth the extra cost, time, and effort spent on making real backup copies so, yes of course keeping every one of all of the drives up and running 24/7 in a NAS can be an excellent choice to consider because, yes of course there's still always the option to let the data volume rebuild itself by using some certain types of data redundancy options (be it in RAID configuration or otherwise). But not all data needs to be accessible 24/7. That is, not to me it doesn't. Each time when I know beforehand I won't be accessing a certain drive for at least a little while, I just force it to sleep, and, if the drive in question is the type of cheap green desktop drive that automatically goes to sleep in such a cheap way that it gives me no power management setting that would have allowed me to make it stay awake, I just work my way around that problem via software if necessary so it still doesn't bother me one bit... I can't watch 500 movie titles at once, and, I certainly can't listen to 20,000 music albums at once.
And data companies have parallel data so none is lost...
Your personal computer does not. At least for the vast majority of us. Very few of us have NAS or RAID array storage, etc.
 
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And data companies have parallel data so none is lost...
Your personal computer does not. At least for the vast majority of us. Very few of us have NAS or RAID array storage, etc.
That's why I haven't bought Western Digital over the past decade. I don't need NAS or RAID for anything I do, so they're simply too expensive by comparison. My oldest drive that I haven't decommissioned yet is a 10-year old USB 2.0 WD Elements 1TB, whereas my newest one is still only an 8TB Seagate Barracuda (ST8000DM004) that I snagged off of Amazon for a shin more than a few years ago... I own well over a dozen external drives. Of all the laptops I ever had, the only one that had a WD inside was the one that crashed, and, out of a dozen or so Seagate drives I only had one Seagate crash─it was the 3TB infamous model number that had an exceptional very high failure rate as was later confirmed by Backblaze back then. I believe it's called luck of the draw because every brand has had the occasional bad model, and, eventually, all drives fail so in the end the money is still better spent towards adding more drives as opposed to keep praying for the so-called "non-crappy" ones to pay off well enough to justify their hefty price premium.
 

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3.5" drives I've used and have worked very good for 10+ years:
WD Black 7200
Seagate Barracuda 7200
Samsung Spinpoint 7200
I prefer the Barracuda or Spinpoint over the Black as they seem to run smoother/quieter/faster.
2.5":
GSkill Phoenix Pro 120GB MLC
Mushkin 100GB MLC
Micron 16GB SLC to which I route temp files/temp downloads and anything else temporary

Now the main machine I use every day has only one 256GB Samsung 950 Pro M.2 (+ an external spinner for back up)
I've never set up a raid array. I keep everything needed backed up in 2 places rather than locally and since SSD's I have no need for raid for speed.
 
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That's why I haven't bought Western Digital over the past decade. I don't need NAS or RAID for anything I do, so they're simply too expensive by comparison. My oldest drive that I haven't decommissioned yet is a 10-year old USB 2.0 WD Elements 1TB, whereas my newest one is still only an 8TB Seagate Barracuda (ST8000DM004) that I snagged off of Amazon for a shin more than a few years ago... I own well over a dozen external drives. Of all the laptops I ever had, the only one that had a WD inside was the one that crashed, and, out of a dozen or so Seagate drives I only had one Seagate crash─it was the 3TB infamous model number that had an exceptional very high failure rate as was later confirmed by Backblaze back then. I believe it's called luck of the draw because every brand has had the occasional bad model, and, eventually, all drives fail so in the end the money is still better spent towards adding more drives as opposed to keep praying for the so-called "non-crappy" ones to pay off well enough to justify their hefty price premium.

Hmm been looking at 1 TB drives on Amazon the WD Blue and Seagate Barracuda are the same price. $45. 1 TB is as big as I want as they still take forever to fill or copy esp if in a USB situation.
 

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1Tb for $45.

Sure doesn't seem like it was all that long ago we upgraded an AS/400 with 1 Gb of mirrored EMC2 DASD, which filled up a cabinet the size of a porta-potty, took an EMC service rep all day to install, and cost $40,000.00.
 

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1Tb for $45.

Sure doesn't seem like it was all that long ago we upgraded an AS/400 with 1 Gb of mirrored EMC2 DASD, which filled up a cabinet the size of a porta-potty, took an EMC service rep all day to install, and cost $40,000.00.
I remember when 12 inch platters held an amazing 1 MB.
And first started out with magnetic core memory.

Remember punched tapes?

I have been looking at 1 TB drives to add a second drive to my main desktop PC.
will just mirror the first drive to it as a backup.
 

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I remember when 12 inch platters held an amazing 1 MB.
And first started out with magnetic core memory.

Remember punched tapes?

I have been looking at 1 TB drives to add a second drive to my main desktop PC.
will just mirror the first drive to it as a backup.
I remember the joy when I upgraded my Apple II+ to 64K
 

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Hmm been looking at 1 TB drives on Amazon the WD Blue and Seagate Barracuda are the same price. $45. 1 TB is as big as I want as they still take forever to fill or copy esp if in a USB situation.
Are you using Windows? Does your system have an SSD?
 

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NO SSD just a WD blue drive in there. It is a Gatrway PC.
If the new one is to replace the system drive in the Gateway, an SSD is the single best upgrade.
There's no way I would ever go back to a hdd for anything,, but back-up or storage if I needed a lot of space.
 

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If the new one is to replace the system drive in the Gateway, an SSD is the single best upgrade.
There's no way I would ever go back to a hdd for anything,, but back-up or storage if I needed a lot of space.
Not sure if my hardware/bios would support the latest HDD or SSD throughput.
Also not sure about long term life of SSD's. They use memory which has a limited number of read/write cycles and do all kinds of manipulations to work around this problem.

And the final straw is they cost much more than a good HDD and I have no need for faster HDD anyway.
Now if I did video rendering and such much....
I also play no video games which often require mo power!
 

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I've had a variety of different jobs throughout my life. Roofer, plant maintenance, landscaping, painter, line cook, waiter, salesman, assistant chef, carpenter, meat cutter, hanging cable, pretty much whatever paid the bills and supported a bad drinking/drug problem.

Now 46 years old, clean and sober I have had the same job for the last 5 years as a Powder Coater. And trust me, I am glad I no longer live life in the "fast lane"!

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Not sure if my hardware/bios would support the latest HDD or SSD throughput.
Also not sure about long term life of SSD's. They use memory which has a limited number of read/write cycles and do all kinds of manipulations to work around this problem.

And the final straw is they cost much more than a good HDD and I have no need for faster HDD anyway.
Now if I did video rendering and such much....
I also play no video games which often require mo power!
I may not have a need for a faster puter, but I hate waiting for it to finish booting.
 

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I have been looking at 1 TB drives to add a second drive to my main desktop PC.
will just mirror the first drive to it as a backup.
I just saw that ^.
Not sure if my hardware/bios would support the latest HDD or SSD throughput.
Also not sure about long term life of SSD's. They use memory which has a limited number of read/write cycles and do all kinds of manipulations to work around this problem.

And the final straw is they cost much more than a good HDD and I have no need for faster HDD anyway.
Now if I did video rendering and such much....
I also play no video games which often require mo power!
It would support it as long as the bios has AHCI setting. Throughput? HDD is slowest part of the PC. HDD can't transfer data fast enough to utilize the rest of the PC's ability as it is. It's like sipping through a straw instead of just gulping it down. The capability is there, but it's using a straw.

Before Multi Level Cell was SLC-single level cell. SSD's became popular for mainstream use when MLC technology came around and made it affordable. $ pr GB still more expensive than HDD, but low enough to make it worth it due to it's performance. Manufacturers made / consumers used 60 - 120GB drives for the OS and programs, and changed the path for everything else to send it to a secondary HDD. I wrote an article for how to set up Windows to to do that, and all the tricks to ensure SSD health and longevity, because without being on the market long enough, the worry was limited read/write cycles.

These day I don't use all the tricks in Windows and Windows registry edits, as they've proven to last as long as a HDD.
Video rendering, video games, anything like that, that requires loading large amounts of data would benefit, but a ram disk would be better. As far as playing a movie/video, just keeping them on HDD is best since they use a lot of space and won't playback any better on a faster drive.

As far as video games or things that require more power, that would be a cpu upgrade since SSD would only load it to memory faster and if like earlier, if it was already on memory, aka ram disk....

Most have no real NEED for faster. Sure makes the computing experience a lot better. Everyone I've ever known that didn't need faster and went from HDD to SSD has said they will never go back,,,everyone.

There's a little more to swapping C to a different drive.
Since your merely looking to mirror a back up,...If you're using something new enough to have SATA connectors you should be able to load a driver for most any HDD. Before HDD install, best to load driver to a thumb/flash drive/disc first, then to PC.

My whole post here refers to Windows. You too?
 
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I've had a variety of different jobs throughout my life. Roofer, plant maintenance, landscaping, painter, line cook, waiter, salesman, assistant chef, carpenter, meat cutter, hanging cable, pretty much whatever paid the bills and supported a bad drinking/drug problem.

Now 46 years old, clean and sober I have had the same job for the last 5 years as a Powder Coater. And trust me, I am glad I no longer live life in the "fast lane"!

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You tried powder coating a mod? Seems like it would hold up well.
 

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I just saw that ^.

It would support it as long as the bios has AHCI setting. Throughput? HDD is slowest part of the PC. HDD can't transfer data fast enough to utilize the rest of the PC's ability as it is. It's like sipping through a straw instead of just gulping it down. The capability is there, but it's using a straw.

Before Multi Level Cell was SLC-single level cell. SSD's became popular for mainstream use when MLC technology came around and made it affordable. $ pr GB still more expensive than HDD, but low enough to make it worth it due to it's performance. Manufacturers made / consumers used 60 - 120GB drives for the OS and programs, and changed the path for everything else to send it to a secondary HDD. I wrote an article for how to set up Windows to to do that, and all the tricks to ensure SSD health and longevity, because without being on the market long enough, the worry was limited read/write cycles.

These day I don't use all the tricks in Windows and Windows registry edits, as they've proven to last as long as a HDD.
Video rendering, video games, anything like that, that requires loading large amounts of data would benefit, but a ram disk would be better. As far as playing a movie/video, just keeping them on HDD is best since they use a lot of space and won't playback any better on a faster drive.

As far as video games or things that require more power, that would be a cpu upgrade since SSD would only load it to memory faster and if like earlier, if it was already on memory, aka ram disk....

Most have no real NEED for faster. Sure makes the computing experience a lot better. Everyone I've ever known that didn't need faster and went from HDD to SSD has said they will never go back,,,everyone.

There's a little more to swapping C to a different drive.
Since your merely looking to mirror a back up,...If you're using something new enough to have SATA connectors you should be able to load a driver for most any HDD. Before HDD install, best to load driver to a thumb/flash drive/disc first, then to PC.

My whole post here refers to Windows. You too?

Yep Windoze 8.1 on the machine in question.
I keep it clean as possible to to make it work as fast as it will.
And Sata drive interface. Not sure what version 1,2, 3? Prolly not 3 as the machine is at least 5 or 5 years old.

I also am stuck with DSL internet. And browsing is mostly what I do with this machine.
So why would I need a lot of speed?
 
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I may not have a need for a faster puter, but I hate waiting for it to finish booting.
I am running Windoze 8.1 and I keep it clean and it boots pretty darned fast for me.
boots twice as fast as thew wifes newer laptop running win 10.
 

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Yep Windoze 8.1 on the machine in question.
I keep it clean as possible to to make it work as fast as it will.
And Sata drive interface. Not sure what version 1,2, 3? Prolly not 3 as the machine is at least 5 or 5 years old.

I also am stuck with DSL internet. And browsing is mostly what I do with this machine.
So why would I need a lot of speed?
Probably Sata 3.0,,,,and 6.0 has been out for that long. Your good to go with a back up HDD. Windows originally comes with a package of drivers so your probably ok there, just good to go to manuf site for the one you choose and dl/install prior just to take the guesswork out that it has the correct one, and not a possible generic one that would probably work but.....

I hear ya on internet, but your probably not using all of DHL's speed with a HDD. But anyways...
...The speed would be in the boot up and shut down, and interaction you have with Windows, snappier, faster responses, whether your browsing, surfing, online > or not.

You don't need speed to function unless you get it, then you'll need it :D.
Kind of a moot point anyways, unless you want to change drive that has the OS, and that's a task. Not hard, but certainly more than getting a back up drive.
You know? I wouldn't mirror a single drive being used for the OS and all the rest on a PC. I would just back up all the rest and if something happens to the current drive, just reinstall Windows if your able to save the drive. If not you could probably install W on a new drive without buying the OS.
A fresh install also improves performance.
 

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Probably Sata 3.0,,,,and 6.0 has been out for that long. Your good to go with a back up HDD. Windows originally comes with a package of drivers so your probably ok there, just good to go to manuf site for the one you choose and dl/install prior just to take the guesswork out that it has the correct one, and not a possible generic one that would probably work but.....

I hear ya on internet, but your probably not using all of DHL's speed with a HDD. But anyways...
...The speed would be in the boot up and shut down, and interaction you have with Windows, snappier, faster responses, whether your browsing, surfing, online > or not.

You don't need speed to function unless you get it, then you'll need it :D.
Kind of a moot point anyways, unless you want to change drive that has the OS, and that's a task. Not hard, but certainly more than getting a back up drive.
You know? I wouldn't mirror a single drive being used for the OS and all the rest on a PC. I would just back up all the rest and if something happens to the current drive, just reinstall Windows if your able to save the drive. If not you could probably install W on a new drive without buying the OS.
A fresh install also improves performance.
Do you have a good recommendation for drive mirroring/bitcopy software?
Is Ghost still around?

Installing hard drives and me are old friends.
SATA is kinda new to me though. It is like they went back to a superfact Commodore serial IO :)
Built my first PC way back when. Paid almost $400 for a 32 GB RLL Seagate drive that sounds like it ran on diesel.
I got this entire desktop for around $350 if I recall correctly 6 GB ram Atahlon E1 1.5 G cpu and a 500G hard drive. And of course DVD burner and a decent graphics setup, I forget which one :)

I do love how hardware has both gotten faster and cheaper over the years.

also in my experience a new install of windoze can be improved on speed wise if one runs a registry cleanup tool and such.

Since XP it seems that new installs are not as necessary as they were before.
Especially if one works to keep their PC 'clean'.
See if garbage is left in startup, etc.
 
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