What do I need to begin DIY? Simple guide with links!

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  1. HeadInClouds

    HeadInClouds Platinum Contributor Member For 3 Years ECF Refugee Unlisted Vendor Vape Media

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    IMO it depends on the flavors you're using. Mix some FA Cocoa or Coffee Espresso, and the difference is drastic. TFA Cinnamon Red Hots, you can barely notice a difference at all.
     
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    LOL with cinnamon red hots I can taste nothing else for the rest of the day:p
     
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    Yeah, that's not gonna happen.

    I'm so tired of reading about it in every thread that mentions nic I have a strong compulsion to avoid it like Mormon Missionaries or a Jehovah Witness.:p

    That has to come from hype. Especially when Oxidized nic is hyped as something special.
     
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    That's like saying all apples taste the same. However, vape what makes you happy and keeps you away from smoking!
     
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    Also something to consider is the pg/vg consistency. I buy 100% vg at 36mg and dilute to18% 40pg/60vg. Used to do the 50/50 after mixing so i used less materials, and easy to make when you are only using nic, pg, and flavor.
     
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    Bumping this awesome and informational post by OP.
     
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    Hi guys... going to start diy. .. I usually buy 3 MG max vg... would I need to buy PG at all? Should I atleast do 80/20? I'm sure it has been answered elsewhere sorry. What do you recommend for top quality nic/pg/vg? Thanks.
     
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    It would depend mainly on what nicotine base strength you buy and whether the base is PG or VG. I prefer a high VG myself so I just bought nicotine in a VG base. You usually will have to have at least 5% PG because the concentrated flavorings are in a PG base. I have yet to find them in a VG base. They may be out there but are hard to find.
     
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    my highest pg percentage is 15% since that is what my flavoring is at otherwise pure vg. my lowest pg is 2%
     
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    I've heard they're out there and not very good, and I've heard the same about the alcohol based ones. A lot of max VG use the higher concentrated flavorings just to keep it max, at least.
     
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    now that im doing dripping i use mainly vg
     
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    I have caramel cappuccino from TPA and you only use 1 drop per 10ML.
     
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    Lol, yeah, I learned that lesson on the very first mix I ever attempted. Oh boy.
     
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    I would like to recommend amazon.com be added to the list.
    Prices may very from time to time, but overall it can be far cheaper then any of the above sites for supplies like needles, syringes, bottles, and other hardware.
    ie, 7.50 for a pack of 100 3ml syringes vs 60 cents each at one of the listed sites. Probably a lifetime supply, and can give them out to friends etc, but it comes out to almost 1/10th the price per syringe.
     
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    RTS vapes is always a good way to go
     
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    I've been tinkering with mixing different e-juices but next month I'm ordering all that I should need to do go full DIY for a good long time (about a year and a half based on an average use of 60 ml a week of nominally 20% PG/80% VG at 5% nic). My initial DIY orders are: 2 - 120 ml of 100 mg/ml nic (PG Base), a gallon (3,785 ml) of VG, and 2 - 120 ml of PG from Heartland Vapes as well as ordering 18 - 30 ml bottles of TFA flavoring, 3 ml syringes, and a 35 mm funnel from OSDIYS. I already have 10 -10 ml syringes and gloves. I have a boat load of empty 30 ml e-juice bottles and a few empty 120 ml bottles that I've cleaned, let dry, and sealed from B&M and on line purchases. I'm guessing that with TFA flavors I will generally be using 10-13% total flavoring (sum of all flavors used) per 30 ml bottle. Any suggestions or something that doesn't look exactly right?
     
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    My only suggestion would be to order much smaller (even sample size) bottles of flavorings until you know what you like. 18 30ml bottles is a huge amount of a flavoring you might not like, or might later find something you like much more! (This said from experience!)
     
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    You have a point... I based my TFA flavor purchases on mixes I have vaped but I have no idea of the source of the flavorings they used.
     
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    I think it would be more cost effective to find some recipes (lots on this website) and then buy the flavorings to make them (in small bottles in case you don't like the result). I ended up dumping a LOT of flavorings I bought not knowing what to get!
     
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    I'm going to do some more research! Here is my conceptual starting point (that will likely change):

    Mark's Planned Purchases for DIY.jpg
     
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    I've been getting my Nicotine at HeartlandVapes 120 ml. of 100mg is $15.99 or if you just want 48mg., you can get 120 ml. for $9.99 or it's only $44.99 for a liter of 100mg. That;s $5 cheaper than the 48mg. It's excellent nicotine! It comes in a heavy white plastic bottle, so no light can get to it. Their customer service it top notch! They also have flavorings, PG, VG, etc.

    I buy my PG & VG from Bulk Apothecary. Even with shipping, they are the cheapest I've found and it's all USP grade. The VG tastes better than what Ive got from several other places. VG is $3.97 a lb. or half liter. I buy the 10lb. gal. for $13.65 with FedEx shipping to me It's less than $27 a gallon.
    USP PG is $3.95 for the half liter or $19.95 a gallon. $32 by FedEx or both by FedEx are $47.63.
    If you're buying a gallon of each, you may be able to get a better deal at Essential Depot, but last time I checked they were $4 higher. That's just the product with their free shipping deal.

    I realize I'm a little late with my input in this thread. I honestly just saw it for the first time. I''ve been in the hospital so much the last year, that I really haven't been able to put my two cents worth in... I hope this helps someone out. Buy your Nic while you can get it and keep it in the freezer. I always have at least 1 extra bottle ahead & I vape 0mg! I have to keep it tho for the rest of the family. I handed my sister a bottle of cappuccino today & she almost flipped because it was only 3mg. instead of 6mg. so I had to add more nic to it. It was made for someone else, but they never came and got it, so she was lucky. It was even pre-steeped.
     
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    The Flavor Apprentice offers 4ml bottles of flavors for $1.40. These surprisingly go a long way.
    They also offer "Flavor Packs" $8-$15 depending on flavor category (Sweet, Smoke, Custardy, Candy etc.) I really liked these !
    This is a good alternative to try new flavors without getting the 15ml bottles, especially if you don't like them (which I certainly did).
    Orange Mandarin is brutal-yuck.
    Also, save your money and buy 100mg nic. Goes a long way but BE CAREFUL !!! HIGHLY TOXIC !!!
     
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    WL offers TFA, CAP, and LA 8 ml for $1.49.
     
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    Is there one flavor company that is the best. I really don't want to order from more than one. I didn't know if one flavor was best from this company and that flavor best from another. I just want a good caramel and custard 100%vg
     
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    Good question but difficult to answer only because we all have our favorites. However, the choices are much more limited if you're looking for 100% vg. Are you looking for PG free flavors?
     
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    I hear you Pablo, I am having the same problem. There are so many things that I just don't know.
     
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    Yes I have to have 100% VG no pg at all. I found out the hard way when my throat closed up after about 3 months of vaping 50/50 juice. Now I can't handle any.
     
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    I know that when asking for the best flavor it is personal preference. I was just fishing for opinions to see if one stuck out.
     
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    I like FlavourArt, but they're pg... Finding VG only flavorings is tough. TFA does have a couple? You can find some that are alcohol, though. Where... is the question. Hopefully someone knows.
     
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    Nude Nicotine, Nature's Flavors, and Vaping Zone have pretty extensive PG free flavors.

    TFA and LA have some that are PG free, but definitely check for specifics.

    Here's a list of which vendors sell each brand http://vapingunderground.com/threads/list-of-diy-flavor-flavour-suppliers-vendors.2260/

    I can find most everything I need at BullCity, but I haven't had to shop for PG free flavors. and it doesn't look like they have anything designated specifically for non-PG (where-as quite a few places do).
     
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    Whoops...other places to buy PG free...ecigexpress (has Nature's Flavors), High Desert Vapes, and OneStopDIY Shop
     
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    And the 2 posts above me, ladies and gentlemen, are exactly why she's THE Pup.
     
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    Has anyone tried heating their VG in a glass container in the microwave for about 30 seconds? It made it so much easier to suck up into my syringe! Didn't know if there were any down sides. Still going to let this batch go through my shake-n-steep cyclings.
     
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    A lot of people will simply place a bottle in a cup of hot tap water to make it easier to mix with and also to shake up. :)
     
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    just an FYI one stop diy is down till may 15 since they are moving to colorado
    And a big BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to TFA for permanently discontinuing the Flue Cured flavor! it was my base for so many mixes
     
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    Thanks for the great simple but effective guide.
     
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    This forum is awesome and I've learned so much in the past few days. I'm super new to the forum and even the thought of DIY but I really wanna give it a go. My problem is trying to find a blend that the "sugars/sweetener" doesn't gunk up my coils. I tend to like the sweet flavors but cant afford to go through a coil everyday. How do I avoid making so sweat that it clogs up my coils?
     
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    One Stop DIY up and operating!

    Sent from my "smart" phone.
     
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    Hey guys. Brand new to the forum thabks for all the help.

    Got an interest in DIY juice so I find myself here and all over the place trying to figure out where to start.

    I see you have listed essential supplies but is there a complete guide to DIY to start off?

    Kind of like a DIY101.

    Let me know. Thanks.

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    The above is really all ya need.
     
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    Well I guess the more accurate question is what exactly am I supposed to buy t get started.

    I keep reading that PG gives more flavor however VG makes more clouds. And the different recipes I'm looking up give different ratios of the two. Some places say the nicotine in different strengths can have either a VG/PG dilution.

    TBH a lot of the sites I'm reading up on all give more or less the same information but don't really explain what exactly someone should get to start off.

    I'd like to start off with just a simple mix single flavor and build from there once I get an understanding of what's what.

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    Everyone has different preferences for how much PG or VG they use in a mix. Some are also more sensitive to one over the other, for example, I use a higher PG ratio in my final mix because I'm more sensitive to VG. In amounts over 25%, I cough a lot and feel like I have a really bad chest cold. Others are the opposite. Those with PG sensitivities can experience tinnitis (or flare ups of), coughing, tight chest. Still, others prefer to chase clouds, so they use a max VG final mix.

    I buy nic in PG base. It's thinner than VG, which makes it easier to pour, and, as mentioned, I use a higher PG ratio. Those wanting max VG will usually purchase nic in a VG base.

    Regardless of what someone else uses as their base, you would basically/typically mix the flavoring with the same % someone else uses in a recipe.
     
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    Thanks for the vids mark. :)

    So the base to get with you're nic is just personal preference? Rather u want more flavor or vapor? Does that throw off the recipes at all or do u have to calculate that into your let's say 50/50 blend?

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    Ooohh I get it. When I punch some values into an ejuice calculator it auto adjusts based on the nicotine base (PG/VG) got it.

    So I see a lot of people on here praising Vaperstek for the nicotine. Any particular ular brand is a favorite for the PG/VG?

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    I use 100 mg/ml Nic with 100% PG so it isn't thick. PG is most common base to flavoring. PG carries flavor better than VG. PG also gives most of throat hit (Nic gives some too). I get my Nic, PG, & VG from Heartlandvapes.com. I usually go for a finished bottle being 20%/80% PG/VG. I also mix Nic at 3.3%.

    No matter where you go, take your Vape!
     
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    Overall I'd like to keep most if not all of my purchases from the same place.

    Is there any quality grades or something I should be looking for other then just purchasing PG/VG off the internet?

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    USP, Kosher VG, and the highest percentage in purity.
    I go to two places. Heartlandvapes and onestopdiy

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    Alright thanks Mark :)

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