Add the ArcticFox firmware it's really worth the price. If not for the switch display and USB I'd say it is as rugged as a mech.I've had a Pico for about a month now. Bought it because of the small size and light weight to have in my pocket at work. It's been really good for that, it performs very well to boot and it's hard to beat the price.
Guess that's another vote for it
Build replaced by 28ss single at 1.1ohm vaping on a Pico75 using a power curve that fires at 150% - 26 watts and is at 14 by end of draw produce a vape running in the 180c to 210c range.
LOL, yep. Did that with my Protanks, still have them (and the heads) in my vapocalypse stash. Haven't used that size drill bit for wrapping in a bit, though. These days, it's a more airy draw, still MTL, resistance under 1.5, RARELY below 1 ohm, still under 10w. To go back to those tanks, I'd have to re-figure all my recipes. Again.I remember back when I got into "improving my vape" using a an old school Kanger Evod set up...I found a wattage/Power graph showing what ohm coil equaled what wattage based on voltage used...I went from the 2.4 coil down to the 1.8 ohm coil and though it was the shiznit...Moved on to drilling out the little pin on the kanger tank and first started my own coil building using 30g wire to build my own coils to 1.00 ohm and was chuckin' the clouds.
Found thread Lol
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/kanger-single-coil-tank-magic.53538/#post-308353
Wrong, huh? Funny how I haven't had a cigarette in 2 2/3 yrs. At 10w/2 ohms. After 39 yrs of hopeless cigarette addiction, and 30 yrs of asthma. I think I'll just keep doing it "wrong" since it's working so RIGHT.
And "brah"? REALLY? The only "brah" (sic) about me is the one I'm wearing.
Andria
I've never understood the need to vape at anything over 15w, personally; the only good thing I can find about all these high-watt mods is that they made the low-watt mods really cheap. But now they're getting harder and harder to find!Ah. The total lack of emojis didn't give much of a clue that it was sarcasm, though I did wonder.
I've always liked single-coil too; very first time I tried a dual coil, was way back in 2014 with the original Nautilus... and it TOTALLY fucked up the taste of the juice, all that heat, and was damn near impossible to set the airflow, because of all that heat -- I want tight-draw like a carto or a cigarette, not huffing like aerosol in a paper bag! I'm trying to stay off smoking cigarette, not huffing unmentionables from bags!
Andria
The other really good thing about high wattage vaping is that now there are all these great batteries that support it, so for someone who vapes at 10w or less, a 25R or HE2 lasts for 2 days -- and with a 2 ohm coil, I never ever have to worry about whether my battery can handle it. 
You gotta catch up with the timesYeah, humor and sarcasm really don't come across in text, that's WHY there are emojis.
I once accidentally took a hit at 18w -- my mod had gotten turned up in my purse and I didn't notice it. I was just glad I didn't singe the wick!
Andria
I never understood the high wattage vaping and probably never will lol.
You gotta catch up with the timesI never understood the high wattage vaping and probably never will lol.
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Hope you caught me being a sarcastic smart ads lol. Me neither. When I first started vaping mods only went up to 15 watts lol. I'm good with 25-30 watts on a rda. It seems to me nowadays it's a pissing contest to see how many watts you can vape at. Who cares how many watts you can vape at. The important thing is not smoking and it seems people have lost sight of that!
Yeah, humor and sarcasm really don't come across in text, that's WHY there are emojis.
I once accidentally took a hit at 18w -- my mod had gotten turned up in my purse and I didn't notice it. I was just glad I didn't singe the wick!
Andria
I don't get this.......Hard to go back to RDA's after squonking
). the coils are seven wrap 2.5mm 28g ka1 (dual coil) at .7 ohms. i run them at about 30w/4.5v because i like a shorter, hard drag. there is a sweet spot between not getting the drag i want, and getting a super hot lava sensation that makes me cough my face off. once i found it, i was very happy. flavor and nic intake are optimal, and i feel like im smoking, but im not. its great. i find that dry hits are much worse on this setup than anything else i own though somehow...and setup and coil structure is far less forgiving on these builds. i vape 18mg juice on this setup.
i encourage every vaper to try different setups (properly configured). there are great vapes everywhere if you are willing to find them. that goes for all the power hungry folks who want the biggest and baddest mods too..i quit cigarettes on a sub ohm tank/direct lung hits, but at the start i was wishing for a mtl style setup that was closer to smoking a cigarette. i gave up on that for a while and focused on coil building and eventually got good enough to come all the way back around to mtl setups once my understanding of things increased enough. im glad i kept trying to find different things. now i have multiple great setups and options when it comes to vaping/hardware/coils/nic strength/cloud volume/stealth capability etc...
im not trying to single you two out, but i see people saying this stuff all the time and you two were the easiest to quote because you are a few posts above mine. this is meant for anyone who vapes at a set wattage (whether they think it has to be 200w or 10w to be good)...
you can find a good vape at any power level, with the right coils and atomizer. no one who vapes at 200w does so on a above ohm coil in a mtl atty, similarly to how no one who vapes at 10w is using a modfather tank with .09 ohm alien framed staples in it. i saw a guy on here say that he cranked his mod up all the way to 200 or whatever it was, because the guys at the vape shop were vaping at that range, and he coughed his face off because he was vaping a setup for 50 or 80w. its not a matter of being tough enough to vape the wrong coils at the wrong wattage and inhaling lava/plasma/other hot things, its a matter of balancing coil mass with your hardware/power/airflow/deck size etc.
i set up a magma rda for mtl with some advice from @AndriaD (dunno if i thanked you for that yet
i also have a hog v3 with a build in it that (according to ohms law) hits at about 200w/8v on full batteries. the coils i have in that are 9 wrap 3mm 28/38 aliens. i take short, hard direct to lung hits off this. i get amazing flavor and clouds, and my nic craving is tamed. i dont feel like im smoking, but i am satisfied regardless. i vape 6mg juice on this setup. lets compare the wire in these builds...
7 2.5mm wraps of 28 ka1 is 3.1 inches of 28g, so dual coils are made from a total of ~6 inches of wire. total weight, 45 mg
alien coils have 3 cores, and nine 3mm wraps is about 5 inches long...so each coil has 15 inches of 28g in it, and there are two, so thirty inches of 28g wire, which is then wrapped in about 10 feet of 38g alien wrap. total weight 405mg (almost ten times the mass of the other coils)
6 inches of wire at 45mg vs 30 inches+10ft of wrap at 405mg
the coils in the hog setup have so much mass that they require a lot of power to get warm and produce vapor. on an 8v unregulated box, they get that power pretty easily, but they need it to vape at all. if you tried to run them at 4v you would be sucking on that thing for fifteen seconds before you could taste anything. given the power to get them going they are a very satisfying vape, which is not any hotter than the magma mtl setup. they are capable of giving a very hot vape, but with good airflow and a hard drag to get that air forcefully onto the coils, they are pretty mellow. in fact, the magma has made me cough often, and the hog setup has never once.
/obligatory canadian apology for the long post
Strawberry & cream beats hell out of any tobacco, EVER.and thats all that truly matters. my main point is to let people know that vaping 'properly' at 200w isnt, by default, twenty times hotter than vaping at 10w, and theres nothing to be afraid of should they want to try it out, as long as they are using a properly configured setup.That's all very true. For myself, I'm neither willing nor interested in huffing my vape, I want it the same way I smoked, like sucking a just-bought milkshake thru a straw -- that's how it feels to smoke ultra-light 120s, which I smoked for a VERY long time, and smoking those also meant I usually took very long draws -- with my Achilles, with a 2 ohm coil, running at 9.5-10 watts, about a 4-6 second hit, it's a perfect facsimile of how it felt to smoke -- which is what I'm trying to stay free of. Thank goodness, vaping means it doesn't have to TASTE like smoking.
Andria
I have tried 100 watt setups and it's not for me! It's just too hot. Now 50-70 watts ain't bad. I just prefer a cooler vape.im not trying to single you two out, but i see people saying this stuff all the time and you two were the easiest to quote because you are a few posts above mine. this is meant for anyone who vapes at a set wattage (whether they think it has to be 200w or 10w to be good)...
you can find a good vape at any power level, with the right coils and atomizer. no one who vapes at 200w does so on a above ohm coil in a mtl atty, similarly to how no one who vapes at 10w is using a modfather tank with .09 ohm alien framed staples in it. i saw a guy on here say that he cranked his mod up all the way to 200 or whatever it was, because the guys at the vape shop were vaping at that range, and he coughed his face off because he was vaping a setup for 50 or 80w. its not a matter of being tough enough to vape the wrong coils at the wrong wattage and inhaling lava/plasma/other hot things, its a matter of balancing coil mass with your hardware/power/airflow/deck size etc.
i set up a magma rda for mtl with some advice from @AndriaD (dunno if i thanked you for that yet
i also have a hog v3 with a build in it that (according to ohms law) hits at about 200w/8v on full batteries. the coils i have in that are 9 wrap 3mm 28/38 aliens. i take short, hard direct to lung hits off this. i get amazing flavor and clouds, and my nic craving is tamed. i dont feel like im smoking, but i am satisfied regardless. i vape 6mg juice on this setup. lets compare the wire in these builds...
7 2.5mm wraps of 28 ka1 is 3.1 inches of 28g, so dual coils are made from a total of ~6 inches of wire. total weight, 45 mg
alien coils have 3 cores, and nine 3mm wraps is about 5 inches long...so each coil has 15 inches of 28g in it, and there are two, so thirty inches of 28g wire, which is then wrapped in about 10 feet of 38g alien wrap. total weight 405mg (almost ten times the mass of the other coils)
6 inches of wire at 45mg vs 30 inches+10ft of wrap at 405mg
the coils in the hog setup have so much mass that they require a lot of power to get warm and produce vapor. on an 8v unregulated box, they get that power pretty easily, but they need it to vape at all. if you tried to run them at 4v you would be sucking on that thing for fifteen seconds before you could taste anything. given the power to get them going they are a very satisfying vape, which is not any hotter than the magma mtl setup. they are capable of giving a very hot vape, but with good airflow and a hard drag to get that air forcefully onto the coils, they are pretty mellow. in fact, the magma has made me cough often, and the hog setup has never once.
/obligatory canadian apology for the long post
how does the setup you vape now at 50-70w compare to the setup you tried at 100w in terms of coils, resistance and voltage?
I used triple core fused clapton with more air and lower ohms for 100 watts instead of twisted wire with higher ohms and less air. I love flavor and lower watts gave me better flavor and respectable clouds.
the temp of the vape is more related to the voltage you vape at rather than the wattage. without knowing the voltage and resistance you normally vape at, compared to the setup with fused claptons, im going to guess that the fused claptons got a bit more voltage than your regular build, and thats why it was hotter. if you ever try again, make sure you start at the voltage you are accustomed to and see if that makes a difference
I'm normally at.4 ohms. Even if the voltage is the same the surface would be more and it would generate more heat. It makes sense to me anyway lol.the temp of the vape is more related to the voltage you vape at rather than the wattage. without knowing the voltage and resistance you normally vape at, compared to the setup with fused claptons, im going to guess that the fused claptons got a bit more voltage than your regular build, and thats why it was hotter. if you ever try again, make sure you start at the voltage you are accustomed to and see if that makes a difference
the temp of the vape is more related to the voltage you vape at rather than the wattage. without knowing the voltage and resistance you normally vape at, compared to the setup with fused claptons, im going to guess that the fused claptons got a bit more voltage than your regular build, and thats why it was hotter. if you ever try again, make sure you start at the voltage you are accustomed to and see if that makes a difference
yeah, thats kind of how it works. at 1 ohm it takes 16w to hit 4v. at .1 ohms it takes 160w to hit 4v. those watts dont mean its ten times hotter, it just draws ten times the power to hit 4v because there is (roughly ten times) more mass to heat up. if you vape them both side by side at 4v they should be close to the same feel (depending on how well thought out your build is..its possible to go wrong in both directions - too big/small, hot/cool by having a coil mass thats not balanced for the intended voltage you will run them at).
im glad i went back and tried mtl setups after two years of huffing on cloud chasing setups. i just needed some help learning the differences in builds, and i had to seek out and ask for it because it doesnt seem to be very commonly talked about as general knowledge.if you can, try to make a set of coils that require 100w to hit 4v, and then try vaping them at 50w. now try making a set that need 50w to hit 4v and vape them at 50w. which one is cooler? try them both at 4v and tell me what happens
if you can, try to make a set of coils that require 100w to hit 4v, and then try vaping them at 50w. now try making a set that need 50w to hit 4v and vape them at 50w. which one is cooler? try them both at 4v and tell me what happens
i dont think it matters much to my hypothesis. my point is that they should both give roughly the same heat at 4v, but not at 15w. this shows that 100w isnt necessarily always hotter than 10w if you have the right build (coil mass vs voltage). im really glad you are willing to try the experiment by the way. much respect
i dont think it matters much to my hypothesis. my point is that they should both give roughly the same heat at 4v, but not at 15w. this shows that 100w isnt necessarily always hotter than 10w if you have the right build (coil mass vs voltage). im really glad you are willing to try the experiment by the way. much respect
while its possible to make a coil that is hotter or cooler due to its mass, i dont think in this experiment that it will make much difference. at the same voltage they should both work roughly the same, at the same wattage they should be very different vapes.mach1ne, I'm always up for learning something new and the best way to do that is to experiment
The thing is there are a lot of differences between my two builds. Different wire gauge, wire mass, wire surface area, atties, watts and voltage.
How do we know what caused the warmer/cooler vape?
mach1ne, I'm always up for learning something new and the best way to do that is to experiment
The thing is there are a lot of differences between my two builds. Different wire gauge, wire mass, wire surface area, atties, watts and voltage.
How do we know what caused the warmer/cooler vape?
Vape temp has almost nothing to do with wattage or voltage... temperature of vapor has to do with coil size.... it just take more voltage to heat a bigger coil. Therefore more watts.the temp of the vape is more related to the voltage you vape at rather than the wattage. without knowing the voltage and resistance you normally vape at, compared to the setup with fused claptons, im going to guess that the fused claptons got a bit more voltage than your regular build, and thats why it was hotter. if you ever try again, make sure you start at the voltage you are accustomed to and see if that makes a difference
That's exactly what I was trying to say! There is no way a thin wire at 4 volts is gonna have the same heat as a bigger wire. The only way it won't IMO is if the voltage isn't high enough to fire the bigger wire efficiently
