Whats Up With Plastic and High End Tanks?

[PaulS]

Key properties of the ULTEM

1000 resin base
polymer are:
·
High long-term heat resistance exhibiting a glass
transition temperature (Tg) of 217°C, HDT/Ae of
190°C and relative thermal index (RTI) of 170°C
·
Inherent flame retardancy with low smoke
evolution, meeting ABD, FAR and NBS
requirements
·
Excellent dimensional stability (low creep
sensitivity and low, uniform coefficient of
thermal expansion)
·
Exceptional strength and modulus at elevated
temperatures
·
Good resistance to a broad range of chemicals
such as automotive fluids, fully halogenated
hydrocarbons, alcohols and aqueous solutions

·
Stable dielectric constant and dissipation
factor over a wide range of temperatures
and frequencies
·
Transparency to visible light, infrared light
and microwave radiation
·
Compliancy with FDA, EU, national food
contact regulations and USP Class VI
·
Outstanding processibility on conventional
molding equipment

Temperature resistance up to 200°C
for hot air ovens
·
Excellent infra-red and microwave
transparency for fast reheating of food
·
Reheating in combi-steamer and
thermal contact heater
·
Proven property retention through
over 1000 cycles in industrial
washing machines with detergents

·
Excellent stain resistance even with stain-prone
products like tomato ketchup, carrots and
barbecue sauce
·
Compliancy with FDA, EU and national food
contact regulations
·
Resistance against most cooking oils and greases
·
Long-term hydrolytic stability
·
Practical level of impact resistance
(from subzero to 200°C)
·
Cold touch (heated trays made from ULTEM
resin can be easily handled by hands)
·
ULTEM
ATX resin series for superior impact
behavior and intermediate thermal performance
·
ULTEM
resin series for superior impact behavior
and similar heat performance to ULTEM
1000 resin

Don't tell me glass quartz is better than a proper Utem - it is not.

 

[r055co]

Key properties of the ULTEM

1000 resin base
polymer are:
·
High long-term heat resistance exhibiting a glass
transition temperature (Tg) of 217°C, HDT/Ae of
190°C and relative thermal index (RTI) of 170°C
·
Inherent flame retardancy with low smoke
evolution, meeting ABD, FAR and NBS
requirements
·
Excellent dimensional stability (low creep
sensitivity and low, uniform coefficient of
thermal expansion)
·
Exceptional strength and modulus at elevated
temperatures
·
Good resistance to a broad range of chemicals
such as automotive fluids, fully halogenated
hydrocarbons, alcohols and aqueous solutions

·
Stable dielectric constant and dissipation
factor over a wide range of temperatures
and frequencies
·
Transparency to visible light, infrared light
and microwave radiation
·
Compliancy with FDA, EU, national food
contact regulations and USP Class VI
·
Outstanding processibility on conventional
molding equipment

Temperature resistance up to 200°C
for hot air ovens
·
Excellent infra-red and microwave
transparency for fast reheating of food
·
Reheating in combi-steamer and
thermal contact heater
·
Proven property retention through
over 1000 cycles in industrial
washing machines with detergents

·
Excellent stain resistance even with stain-prone
products like tomato ketchup, carrots and
barbecue sauce
·
Compliancy with FDA, EU and national food
contact regulations
·
Resistance against most cooking oils and greases
·
Long-term hydrolytic stability
·
Practical level of impact resistance
(from subzero to 200°C)
·
Cold touch (heated trays made from ULTEM
resin can be easily handled by hands)
·
ULTEM
ATX resin series for superior impact
behavior and intermediate thermal performance
·
ULTEM
resin series for superior impact behavior
and similar heat performance to ULTEM
1000 resin

Don't tell me glass quartz is better than a proper Utem - it is not.

Well opinions vary and mine is that it is and I've yet to see cookware made of plastic. I grew up where teflon in pans were a fad and we see where that lead to.

 

[MrScaryZ]

Key properties of the ULTEM

1000 resin base
polymer are:
·
High long-term heat resistance exhibiting a glass
transition temperature (Tg) of 217°C, HDT/Ae of
190°C and relative thermal index (RTI) of 170°C
·
Inherent flame retardancy with low smoke
evolution, meeting ABD, FAR and NBS
requirements
·
Excellent dimensional stability (low creep
sensitivity and low, uniform coefficient of
thermal expansion)
·
Exceptional strength and modulus at elevated
temperatures
·
Good resistance to a broad range of chemicals
such as automotive fluids, fully halogenated
hydrocarbons, alcohols and aqueous solutions

·
Stable dielectric constant and dissipation
factor over a wide range of temperatures
and frequencies
·
Transparency to visible light, infrared light
and microwave radiation
·
Compliancy with FDA, EU, national food
contact regulations and USP Class VI
·
Outstanding processibility on conventional
molding equipment

Temperature resistance up to 200°C
for hot air ovens
·
Excellent infra-red and microwave
transparency for fast reheating of food
·
Reheating in combi-steamer and
thermal contact heater
·
Proven property retention through
over 1000 cycles in industrial
washing machines with detergents

·
Excellent stain resistance even with stain-prone
products like tomato ketchup, carrots and
barbecue sauce
·
Compliancy with FDA, EU and national food
contact regulations
·
Resistance against most cooking oils and greases
·
Long-term hydrolytic stability
·
Practical level of impact resistance
(from subzero to 200°C)
·
Cold touch (heated trays made from ULTEM
resin can be easily handled by hands)
·
ULTEM
ATX resin series for superior impact
behavior and intermediate thermal performance
·
ULTEM
resin series for superior impact behavior
and similar heat performance to ULTEM
1000 resin

Don't tell me glass quartz is better than a proper Utem - it is not.

I will tell you one thing guitar picks made from ULTEM are awesome

 

[KingPin!]

Key properties of the ULTEM

1000 resin base
polymer are:
·
High long-term heat resistance exhibiting a glass
transition temperature (Tg) of 217°C, HDT/Ae of
190°C and relative thermal index (RTI) of 170°C
·
Inherent flame retardancy with low smoke
evolution, meeting ABD, FAR and NBS
requirements
·
Excellent dimensional stability (low creep
sensitivity and low, uniform coefficient of
thermal expansion)
·
Exceptional strength and modulus at elevated
temperatures
·
Good resistance to a broad range of chemicals
such as automotive fluids, fully halogenated
hydrocarbons, alcohols and aqueous solutions

·
Stable dielectric constant and dissipation
factor over a wide range of temperatures
and frequencies
·
Transparency to visible light, infrared light
and microwave radiation
·
Compliancy with FDA, EU, national food
contact regulations and USP Class VI
·
Outstanding processibility on conventional
molding equipment

Temperature resistance up to 200°C
for hot air ovens
·
Excellent infra-red and microwave
transparency for fast reheating of food
·
Reheating in combi-steamer and
thermal contact heater
·
Proven property retention through
over 1000 cycles in industrial
washing machines with detergents

·
Excellent stain resistance even with stain-prone
products like tomato ketchup, carrots and
barbecue sauce
·
Compliancy with FDA, EU and national food
contact regulations
·
Resistance against most cooking oils and greases
·
Long-term hydrolytic stability
·
Practical level of impact resistance
(from subzero to 200°C)
·
Cold touch (heated trays made from ULTEM
resin can be easily handled by hands)
·
ULTEM
ATX resin series for superior impact
behavior and intermediate thermal performance
·
ULTEM
resin series for superior impact behavior
and similar heat performance to ULTEM
1000 resin

Don't tell me glass quartz is better than a proper Utem - it is not.

See that's a healthy counter argument i actually like ultem tank "glass" and drip tip combinations
...but overall would rather a glass tank in high end especially going back to the original Posting

it's more of a perceived idea ingrained in our psyche certain materials should be better or used at certain prices ...commodity stock markets trade off this idea everyday...plastics are well known to be cheaper alternatives and it's this association people have a problem with in high end gear

 

[Synphul]

Not trying to play devil's advocate or anything, but while ultem is great for everything from space shuttle windshields to microwave ovens to tampon casings that won't crack in a cryogenic deep freeze, it's a vape tank. It won't ever be a microwave or a space shuttle, it will only be a simple tank to hold juice. Glass is simple, fits the bill, it's cheap and it too doesn't stain and can be cleansed thoroughly. When I need to wash and dry my clothes in my rta at uber high temps with wicked detergents I'll consider an ultem tank. lmao.

It's just one of those things that there's a simple cost effective solution to, no need to reinvent the wheel at 20x the cost factor in order to over engineer something and charge higher prices for it. My thought is ok, I can get a $20-30 rta with 'cheap glass' vs a $100-200 atty with some special plastic tank. If the argument is that the special super duper plastic is more resilient than glass or won't break as easily, that's cool. I can appreciate that. If my glass tank breaks I'll spend $2-3 and buy another piece of glass for it. Then I'll have a $23-33 atty instead of a $100-200 atty.

In the case of rta tanks, without going to some fancy ass plastic resin compound, there's basically glass and cheap polycarbonate. The glass costs pennies more and in that materials price range is far superior in it's performance/properties. It's like having a watch with a bulletproof face on it. It sounds cool but I don't need to spend $500 on a watch, just in case I should ever get shot, in the wrist, right where the watch is. In an uparmored vehicle, absolutely I want bulletproof glass.

 

[The Cromwell]

See that's a healthy counter argument i actually like ultem tank "glass" and drip tip combinations
...but overall would rather a glass tank in high end especially going back to the original Posting

it's more of a perceived idea ingrained in our psyche certain materials should be better or used at certain prices ...commodity stock markets trade off this idea everyday...plastics are well known to be cheaper alternatives and it's this association people have a problem with in high end gear

A coil can still melt a bad place on ultim.
Not so on glass.

 

[Mikhail Naumov]

I think that's what it boils down to, now that I sat on it.

These tanks, like the Pico, are made for lower wattage, MtL style vapes (not all of them, obviously, but most) and they can get away with using plastic because their coils are never hitting the temperatures required to melt it. I still think it's cheap and fucky, but that's a theory.

 

[Akrotiri]

A coil can still melt a bad place on ultim.
Not so on glass.

At what wattage would that actually happen ?

 

[PaulS]

A coil can still melt a bad place on ultim.
Not so on glass.

I've yet to have an issue with ultem - I'm not against glass mind you but I reallyb like ultem - and I have a pico. Ultem chamber and ultem tank and ultem drip tip. To each their own. But thee is a reason why the sherman has an optional ultem tank. And many use ultem top caps on their hadalys.

 

[The Cromwell]

At what wattage would that actually happen ?

It would be more of an issue of a coil touching the Ultim or too close that strictly a matter of wattage.
And since Ultim does not conduct electricity there would be no short. Just a nauseating taste of plastic burning.

 

[PaulS]

Again ... ultem is a fine product. The issue here is quite the opposite. The Pindad RDTA was lsited around 50 dollars when it came out with a bf pin and a poly tank (not ultem). It developed a quick following. After all it is 75 dollars less than a split atty and performs as well. But no glass tank. In response Pindad came out with an ultem version and the price shot up 25 dollars. So a Chinese made RDTA for 75 dollars because it is ultem. Well Iphones are made in China and are pretty good so let's ignore it is Chinese made for the moment. Is it worth 75 dollars? I canniot answer that question. Buyers will answer that question. Look what people are paying for a Scottua. If you don't think it is worth it then move on ... buy a Gaia for 23 dollars. Myself, I squonk and plan on getting the Pindad ultem version.

 

[Mikhail Naumov]

Look at what people are paying for a Scottua? $10? The authentic is almost never in stock and the clone is literally almost just as good. I actually own the authentic, and I regret paying $200 for the damned thing because I own a $12 clone that has an almost identical build quality and preforms the EXACT SAME.