Wire -- Quality -- Sources

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  1. PhantomOp

    PhantomOp VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    I keep running across a bunch of threads where people are asking about the good wire / best wire to use for coil building. Now we have a "sticky" thread that will be updated with the wire suppliers and opinions of quality.

    Advanced Vape Supply

    • Good quality wire, clean, no complaints
    • SS316L
    • Offer advanced pre-built coils and specialty wire.
    • Direct, Ebay
    AtomizerWicks
    • Good quality wire, clean, no complaints
    • Kanthal A1, Nichrome 80, Titanium, Nickel (Ni200), SS317L
    • Offer advanced pre-built coils and specialty wire.
    • SANDVIK™ KANTHAL™ wire | Smelted in Sweden and Milled in the US
    • Direct, Amazon, Ebay
    • VU Coupon Code - "underground" || 10% Off
    Coil Society
    • Good quality wire, clean, no complaints
    • Kanthal A1, Nichrome 80, Nickel (Ni200), Nifethal 70 (Alloy 120), SS316L
    • ?? SANDVIK™ KANTHAL™ wire ??
    • Direct
    Crazy Wire Company (UK)
    • Complaints of dirty wire and poor spooling methods -- 9
    • To many to list --- even SS Mesh
    • Offer advanced specialty wire
    • Direct, Amazon (UK), Ebay
    Fast Fog Supply Co
    • This wire is Lighting Vapes (directly from them) and branded as Fast Fog Supply Co.
      This information came directly from Lightning Vapes.
    • Kanthal A1, Nichrome 80, Stainless Steel, Nickel (Ni200)
    • Direct, Amazon
    KBee Vapes Wire
    • Complaints of dirty wire and cheap quality.
      More recently, some of our notorious builders are seeing a cleanup of the wire quality though. 20 21
    • Kanthal A1, Nichrome 80, Nickel (Ni200), Titanium, SS316L
    • Offer some specialty wire
    • Direct, Amazon, Ebay
    Kidney Puncher
    • Good quality wire, clean, no complaints
    • Kanthal A1, Nichrome 60 & 80, Nickel (Ni200), Nifethal 70, Titanium, Silver, SS316L
    • Offer advanced pre-made coils and specialty wire
    • SANDVIK™ KANTHAL™ wire | Smelted in Sweden and Milled in the US
    • Direct
    Lightning Vapes
    • Many people have not had issues. It seems to be hit / miss.
      Some complaints of dirty wire, and some smaller gauge wire being spooled poorly.
      17 27 28
    • Kanthal A1, Nichrome 80, Nickel (Ni200), Titanium, SS316L
    • Offer some specialty wire
    • Direct, Amazon, Ebay (limited)
    Master of Clouds
    • [unknown data points -- yet]
    • Kanthal A1, Nichrome 80, Nickel (Ni200), SS316L
    • Direct, Amazon, Ebay
    Pure Atomist
    • Good quality wire, clean, no complaints
    • Kanthal A1, Nichrome 80, SS316L
    • Direct, Amazon, Ebay
    Stealth Vape (UK)
    • Good quality wire, clean, no complaints
    • Kanthal A1, Nichrome 80, Nickel (Ni200), Titanium, SS316L
    • Offer advanced pre-made coils and specialty wire
    • Direct
    TEMCo
    • Good quality wire, clean, no complaints
    • Kanthal A1, Nichrome 80
    • SANDVIK™ KANTHAL™ wire
    • Direct, Amazon, Ebay
    Twisted Messes
    • [unknown data points -- yet]
    • Kanthal A1, Nichrome 80, Anarchist Competition Wire (AN80)
    • Offer advanced pre-made coils
    • Direct
    UD/Youde
    • [unknown data points -- yet]
    • Various and abundant sources.
    Volcano Wire
    Zivipf (Germany)
    • Good quality wire, clean, no complaints
    • Kanthal A1, Nichrome 60, Nichrome 80, SS430, SS304, SS316L, SS317L, Titanium, NiFe30, NiFe48, Nickel (Ni200), Silver
    • Offer advanced pre-made coils and specialty wires
    • Direct
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    ** DISCLAIMER **

    I am not branding any of the above manufacturers as "bad" or telling anyone not to purchase from specific manufacturers. This is just a collection of manufacturers, feedback, and were to purchase.
    If you feels that the feedback is not warranted, please comment below so that everyone can discuss.
    I'll then update with the general consensus.

    ** KANTHAL™ -- Trademark & Patent Enforcement **
    TEMCo Industrial - Enforcement Link
     
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  2. Mattp169

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    Advanced Vape Supply
    only 316L
    complex wires (clapton,twisted,fused clapton, braided and more) in spools and lengths
    Alien clapton coils made by @raymo2u

    Direct and ebay
     
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  3. nightshard

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    I've got several spools from LV, no dirty wire and no spooling problems.
    I don't see a point branding them as bad because one or two customers had a problem.

    You forgot about TEMCo
     
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    @Deucesjack @KingPin! --- Deuce I think your in the UK, don't 100% recall though. I know KingPin is.
    I need some input on GB / EU wire suppliers if you can offer up any input.
     
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    PhantomOp VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    I agree with your statement, as I've ordered 90% of my wire from LV so far and have not had any issues. However, there are pictures of spool issues and builders cussing their wire. And I'm not branding any of them as "bad" ... just reporting the collected / seen responses.

    I have purchased KA1, Ni80, SS316L wire from LV so far in 100-500' spools. I have purchased one spool of 1000' SS316L 36g. 24-36g of all of the listed types. So far, none of the wire purchased was dirty and none of the spool have been dorked up. My purchases have come from Amazon (Prime) as well as directly from LV.
     
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  6. Synphul

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    Maybe Youde/UD wire. Not because I know where it falls on the list of good/bad but because it's available from many places. People are liable to run into it. It's what I've been using and seems to work well. I have limited experience though, only used one spool of it (316L) and it's been clean as in not full of oil, spooled just fine with no major issues. Maybe it's shit wire and I don't know because I've never used anything else lmao.
     
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    PhantomOp VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    Yes, they should be listed. This list is not about calling out the "bad" --- it's about giving a centralized place to find what is available.
     
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    I've purchased Master of Clouds wire via Amazon. 1 spool each of KA1 24g and Ni80 24g. .
    Both were clean (no oils, no dirt/other when "white glove" wiped with a white dish cloth). I have no negative feedback based on those two spools.

    Both wire types were very near the resistance that steam-engine.com calculated when I wrapped standard micro (spaced and contact) coils.
     
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    Stealth vape best in the uk I've found for wire absolutely spotless not cheapest though but worth the money tend to get 50% free with any purchase plus some free wire and a small bag of muji cotton as well as other free stuff

    Just bought some Kanthal and NI80 from the CrazyWire Company only because stealth vape is a little online shop so runs out of stock often (that and it's really popular over here) ....not that impressed with it to be honest kanthal was really dirty had to wipe each cut I made with vodka before I did anything and I hate wasting vodka especially as I only had a decent bottle of the stuff
    NI80 looks ok though although they wound 100m on a small spool so it just wants to uncoil meh but it's a lot cheaper than stealth vape and you can get pretty much anything you are after there

    Delivery was quick with both companies
     
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    Nah, man I'm from Brooklyn and I currently reside in Queens. UK is across the pond for me.

    Variety's the very spice of life, that gives it all it's flavour.

    -William Cowper
     
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    Thanks for clearing my error. :D

    Ok KingPing! Across the pond is up to you unless there are other UK / EU peeps that want to chime in.
     
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    @conanthewarrior

    I know Conan is a fellow uk Vaper ...pretty sure he also buys from stealthvape and not sure if he has tried elsewhere

    (tagged hope that's ok Conan ...just checking these days as some people don't like being tagged and I was recently ask not to tag someone)
     
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    Stealth Vape -- Added
    CrazyWire Co --- Updated - Thank you.
     
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    Careful with crazy wire company mate hold on I'll pull all of thier companies they run through but exactly the same products sold in each
     
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    @KingPin!
    You ever heard of this place >> http://www.vape-atomizer-mesh.com
    They show to be in the UK.


    The Vape Mesh Company
    Unit 1
    Farrell Street
    Warrington
    Cheshire
    WA1 2WW

    Edit >> Nevermind --- more Crazy Wire Company
     
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    I've purchased from lv and fast fog. I know they are, in effect, the same company. I've had no issues with larger gauge SS from lv, but the 26 gauge i got from fast fog was crap. Dirty wire, and no matter what i build or on what atty, the resistance jumps constantly. I used about 20 ft of a 100 ft roll messing with it and finally just threw it away. Could be a one off, not sure. Just my 2 cents.

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    I've been questioning some of my recent 26g and 28g wire from them. Some of the SS316L wire that I recently purchased was clean, but the resistance between coil builds is way different (same coil type, same wraps, same everything... 0.1Ω difference --- not 0.01Ω) ...
     
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    Just mounted up a fused clapton using Kanthal A1 cores and NI80 wrap purchased from the crazy Wire Company
    steam engine says my build should come to 0.2715 my geekvape reader is reading 0.27 so it's bang on about to wick it and vape on it assume it's fine unless I report back ...as I said earlier kanthal was dirty had to wipe it down NI80 looks clean though, and dry burn went well no hotspots at all heated straight away and evenly ...I'll put that down to my coil build though lol
     
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    i have had good and bad wire from kbee. the first stuff made my fingers black (which doesnt really matter because i clean the coils before i use them no matter how clean the wire looks/feels), and was poorly spooled. the higher gauge stuff was troublesome. i could feel kinks passing through my fingers as i built, and experienced a lot of breaks.

    tried them again and they have a new logo, no black fingers, and so far so good in terms of spooling and breaks (perfect wire so far).

    heres a pic. old logo on the left, new logo on the right
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    im not saying its great or good or bad, or better than anything else...just noting a huge change from one order to the next.
     
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    I have noticed that in the past month Kidneypunher N80 Ribbon/Square wire has been pretty fucked up coming off the spool...Ive shown a ton of people on my livestreams on Instagram about it....and that Kbee wire has stepped up by a large margin....much cleaner then ever and comes off the spool straight...hopefully this is how it is from now on.
     
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    you have UD wire listed as quality, I have had bad luck with their quality and it's been filthy more times than not. I stopped using it a while ago
     
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    Sorry --- in the programming world, the { } is a variable --- aka ... needs filled in / no data to apply for value. :)

    My bad -- I gotta remember that not everyone will know that. Fixing it
     
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    Aah got you.
    There's a lot of posts about the Kidney Puncher being top quality (I can verify that it is) and you don't have input for that, so I took it as that was your listing
     
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    Also
    Kidney Puncher and Atomizer Wick are SANDVIK™ KANTHAL™ wire

    Suggestion too, for SS I would put a tag for "smelted in Sweden and Milled in the US" tag. Kidney Puncher, Atomizer Wick and I also believe (haven't verified) that Temco falls under this category. This does have a significant impact to quality
     
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    Updates have been added
     
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    You can add me to the list that had badly spooled higher gauge wire from LV. 1k foot roll of 38 gauge N80 I have run into 2 snags so far and I'm only about 200 feet into the spool. Not fun in the middle of a run...
     
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    LV spools snag? Never...

    [​IMG]

    Not only is the spooling crap but the wire is shit too.
    I'd pick KB, MoC...literally every wire company over them. When coil society is priced better on longer spools and with better wire I wonder how LV stays in business.

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    I know that TEMCo got authorization (from SANDVIK) to use the kanthal trademark, not sure though that TEMCo kanthal is actually smelted in Sweden.
     
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    Don't think it's smelted by Sandvik but it uses the same composition. So it's real Kanthal, it's just not made by Sandvik
     
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    Don't forget Zivipf, I've had great luck with their SS 430 and NiFe48.
    They have lots of resistance wires in many gauges.
     
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    Heard good things about zivipf, never tried it myself though.
     
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    Researching (website, etc) to get more information on them for the listing. Thank you!
     
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    Added -- Thank you guys!
     
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    Added to the index for complaints on LV. Thank you guys!
     
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    Updated -- Thank you guys!
     
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    Quickly researching these two outlets, it seems they are just reselling UD Wire, Geekvape Wire, and Volcano Wire (manufacturer in Hawaii).
    I'm going to list the Volcano Wire as a manufactuer as they have a site to purchase directly from as well. I will list these two as known suppliers in AU.

    Thank you!
     
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    SS is smelted in Sweden, not Kanthal.

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    Mine is. Idk about A1 though.

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    Any opinions about GeekVape wire? The local B&M (which is a dumpster fire) and a couple Canuck online shops seem to have lots of it...
     
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    Not all that impressed with it, it's cheap Chinese wire but at least it's not filthy like I've gotten from UD or KBee. It won't hold up as well or handle as good as wire from Temco, Kidney Puncher, Atomizer Wick or Pure Atomist.
     
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    Cheap chinese sourced wire from what I have researched on it ...
     
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    I can probably bet that r055co's used more wire than I have but apparently I've been lucky. I've gotten a few spools of UD and it's been clean. No oil, no tangles, no smoke when pulsing/dry firing it right off the spool. The first spool I got from eciggity, the others I got through FT. Given temco's prices if/when I need more I might give them a try.
     
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    Artrafshop and Kingorchid on eBay. While not exactly vendors they are selling Sandvik respools.
    I bought 350' of 0.4mm for $15 from Artrafshop, tight spooling, clean and straight. I regularly buy my fuse from Kingorchid. 1000' of Sandvik KD for $8? You can't get better color or better prices. Very strong wire, clean and spooled perfectly.
    As long as I can I'll be buying everything I can make use of from them.

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    Great thread so far, thanks for making it! I started out building with Kbees and haven't had any problems. Also haven't had any issues with LV either as of yet maybe its the 1000' foot spools with snags? I've only dealt with 500' or less and so far so good. Have used pure atomist ribbon which was great, and have some master of clouds lower wire in lower gauges and its ok too. Going to give Atomizerwick wire a try since they have a good price for 38g 500', and a coupon.
     
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    Thank you whiteowl84

    Artrafshop Ebay Store
    Kingorchid Ebay Store
     
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    Hi all!

    Can I get a little wire buying advice? I am gonna order from AtomizerWicks but am unsure of what awg etc to order....

    I am planning on ordering ss317l, nichrome, and kanthal so I have options for building.

    I will be building for a couple of dna75 squonkers, a Reo meh and other regulated mods (alien, predator etc). Will be using the DNA tc, although this is my first DNA so I'm learning tc, otherwise most will be vw power mode vaping.

    For the squonkers I want to build .5 and above and am looking for quick ramp up, great flavor basic coil build using coilmaster jig.

    For all others I would like to stay around .2 and above, again simple coil wraps (would like Clapton wire but I don't see premade spools on the site and I don't have drill etc to make my own).

    So basically can I get a recommendation on a shopping list (awg assortment etc) that will suit my desired builds?

    Thanks for any input
     
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    r055co VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    My recommendation

    Stainless Steel Core wire
    • 28g
    • 30g
    Wrapping wire for Claptons
    • 38g
    Kanthal Core wire
    • 24g
    • 26g
    Wrapping wire for Claptons
    • 34g (looks like they're out of 36g and 38g)
     
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    I've been using Vape Spider (the banner link in my sig) a lot lately to search for vape supplies. They don't have every single vape shop known to man indexed, but they have a good many. I've seen quite a few of these vape search sites popping up, but that's the one I use presently. YMMV
     

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