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  1. St3zzY

    St3zzY New Member

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    okay so i have a Av Able copper mech mod with a HOHM life 18650 battery and i was woundering if it would be safe to run a pair of 3 core 4 wrapped 3mm 26-36g n80 alien coils at around 0.08 ohms?

    and the RDA im using is just the RDA that comes with the Av Able mech mod.

    on the HOHM Life Wrap these are the specifications —- 3077mAh, 36.3A, 20.7A CDR, 11.38Whr INR+
     
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    Or should i use 28/36g n80 5 wrap 2.5mm at aprox 0.16 ohm
     
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    Since we don't know the brand of the battery you're using, it is safe to say, you are using a pipe bomb.

    You have much to learn about Ohm's law, battery safety, coil builds etc.

    Do your research (before you blow up anything)!
     
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    What do u mean I’m using a pipe bomb? You mean that if I use that battery with that low of a ohm cool it will short the battery causing it to build pressure and explode??
     
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    With that battery how low of a ohm can I go ?
     
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    With that Hohm life battery how long of a resistance can I go?
     
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    And btw if you read it I listed the exact battery I’m using and the specs of the battery....
     
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    The Hohmlife batteries tested to be a 20 amp max battery, .08 is attempting to pull around 45 amps, .16 is still over the limit for that battery at around 23 amps. Look into getting higher amp batteries like a VTC5A from a good source, still wouldn’t go .08 on a single battery.
     
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    stay above .2
     
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    What would u say would be the best battery in battery life and safety for a .16 or .14 ohm build?
     
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    Also would a Sony VTC6 be better then the VTC5?
     
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    My vote would definitely be for Sony VTC5A, probably the most popular battery for mechs, and for good reason. Good balance of amp rating and battery life. I enjoy SS wire builds around.13 and they don’t even get noticeably warm. Just source them from a reputable source like lions or IMR, lots of fakes floating around.
     
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    What would u say would be the best website or source to get a VTC5 at? Also I’ve been doing some calculations and a VTC5 with a 0.16 ohm dual alien Clapton build would be safe right?
    But a .1 ohm build is risky?
     
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    Flat out NO. Hard NO.
    First clue.. you have to ask. If you use a mech, you should KNOW.
    2nd clue.. not a brand name battery.. it is a rewrapped factory 2nd that FAILED quality control.
    3 clue.. 20 A battery... you are pulling 52.5 Amps. WITHOUT knowing the batteries stress test results.

    Stick to 0.15 ohm or higher. Better yet, drop that mod in a drawer and get a regulated mod until you gain more expertise. (which batteries to use, stress tests, ohms law)

    The idea is not to build lower ohm, it is to build better coils.
     
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    This would be a lot better. Given the unknown properties of the battery.. Don't believe what is printed on a rewrap label.

    True, this is above the Constant Discharge Rate of the battery..however, when we vape we do not constantly discharge. We fire in pulses. Personally, I fire a 2.5 second pulse. 1 second out to heat the coil, then 1.5 second inhale. 0.16 should be fine, but do not fire longer than 5 seconds. (Provided you replace that cheap assed low budget battery) Samsung, Sony, LG are trusted and proven brands.
     
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    I wouldn't use that battery in a mech, period. Like I said.. rewrap-unknown-unsafe.
     
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    That is exactly what he meant. The lower you build, the shorter your reaction time if something goes wrong, and the faster the battery heats. Every single incident you see in those "blew up in my face" videos and news stories is for exactly that reason. It isn't a faulty mod, it is an inexperienced user trying to use an advanced vaping mod without bothering to learn the limitations first.

    By the way.. I personally started learning about Mech mods 6 months before buying one.
     
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    IMO you need 27g Nichrome80 for your cores, 36g Nichrome80 for your alien wrap wire. 4.5 wraps 2.5mm ID ohms out at .11 ohms. 3.5 wraps 3mm ID ohms out at .09 ohms. Grab the VTC5A, not to be confused with the VTC5. Make absolutely perfectly sure the shrink wrap and the insulator ring around the top (positive) contact of the battery is always in pristine condition. Make absolutely perfectly sure the fire button can never get pressed on accident... even if you're vaping at .11 ohms you will be above Mooch's MVA rating for the VTC5A so that's why it is imperative that you make sure about the fire button at all times. Seriously. And also you need to make sure the temperature of your battery doesn't go above 45°C/113°F or else you will be needlessly reducing the longevity of your battery as well as you will be increasing the risk of the battery venting. So pull out the battery often and feel how warm it gets. Doing that will give you enough chance to get familiar with your coil build and how the battery temperature behaves with it, until you feel comfortable about the safety. After you take a hit, wait 30 seconds or longer before you take your next hit, as that gives the battery a chance to rest and get the resting voltage back up again. Don't take more than just a few hits in a row. The longer you wait between hits, the more you give the battery the chance to recover and cool down again. For reasons that are obvious, if vaping at .09 ohms on a single VTC5A you need to be a lot more cautious than if vaping at .11 ohms on it. Take one hit and then put the mod down. Just let it rest. Last but not least, when I say "until you feel comfortable about the safety"... don't make the all too common mistake of getting overconfident. Don't try to push the limits or you will pay the consequence. Use your brain so don't be stupid. Alright?
     
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    Aim more for 0.30 Ω, do not go below 0.20 Ω. I do go below that but there's big stipulations to my doing so.

    1. I have a fair idea about where I am and what I'm doing. ( Or so, I let others think. ;) ) Actually, I do.

    2. I do not do it often due to knowing the risks.

    3. When I do it, there is usually a bit of justification in doing so. I experiment but minimize risks. I go outside in an open pasture. If a battery blows on me, well, it's all on me alone and no one else or no other property gets damaged hopefully.

    4, I am a bit "touched" in the head. I have eaten my "papers". I have eaten lead paint, by the gallons. I got beaten with wooden spoons. My deck of cards lacks a few cards. There are lights on but good luck finding anyone to let you in. There's never a toy in my Happy Meals. I run with scissors.

    5. My name is one that invokes fear in Chuck Norris, Vladimir Putin, Jet Li, Pennywise, Dean Kuntz, Stephen King, yet Mr. Rogers has no fear of me. Although Mr. Rogers not being afraid is a bit unfair, Mr. Rogers fears no one, everyone fears & loves the Mr. Rogers.


    Most of the above is meant as sarcasm intended to offer levity to an otherwise highly serious tale of caution. Please do stay around 0.30 Ω and don't go below 0.20 Ω unless you absolutely train yourself up more on Ohm's Law and battery safety. We are saying this not to be mean but rather to help you remain safe out of our love of life and the habit/hobby of vaping. Thank you. :)

    By the way, today my name is Jim. It was Fred yesterday and will probably be Bob tomorrow unless I am told otherwise. :)


    Hey! :hug: @MacTechVpr . Good seeing you around. :) Run 'er slow friend.
     
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    ...And then there was a guy named Mooch who said in front of a camera basically you know squat about a mech.
    Code:
    https://youtu.be/rukKh92ZCOM?t=6311
     
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    Presently, lack sound on this computer. Will take you at face value. Mooch like anyone is entitled to their own opinion. Have no need here to justify my use of mechs to his opinion or reconcile it. I use mechs and therefore have what knowledge of them and their use I need, as suits me. What I do not know, I do look up and ask for help with. I'm sure that is how most folks do as well.

    Not sure your specific problem with me. Not sure I much care either. I'm sure you'll likely have a problem with my expressing this. Seems the way of things in life. There's those who do what they can as best they can. There's always those to tear them down, always those to lift them up. Often it seems the same to me. People are people.
     
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    More drama.
     
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    No. I just have not been too bothered to fix whatever bug in Linux is fumbling my sound card. I get busy with various other things. I help do firewood, help build structures, dig trenches, do laundry & dishes, keep watch, ensure all critters are safe and healthy. I probably could take ten minutes to find a work around but see no great pressing need. Sure, I've missed some music that's in videos buddies posted. That's a bit of bummer for me but it doesn't end my world or cause drama.

    Drama is you having some issue where you think you need to tear me down for whatever reason. I don't know you from Adam. Never insulted you as far as I'm aware. Never drew any opinion of you until now. That opinion is you're the kind I don't need to know. You focus on the negative. That's your choice and not mine. You choose cutting others down. Again, your choice and not mine. Your choices and actions based on those lead me to the opinion I have of you, now. Excuse me, got stuff to attend today, you've nothing further anyway so please continue enjoying ignore.
     
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    Just my two cents but I never use anything less than 30amp and .1 or higher coils on any of my mech mods.


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    Drama is what Mooch described in the video I linked. You focus on the negative, not me... the fact you focus on it is clearly visible in the part I quoted: "do not go below 0.20 Ω." Everyone who wants to hear the real truth about battery safety can google for "mooch battery" and then click on "Video" at the top of the search results page. Just like everyone who wants to create drama on a forum website can post what you posted.
     
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    You can vape on the mech however you want to vape. Personally, I, vape on it by listening to Mooch first instead of by reading FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
     
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    lol ... agreed ...
     
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    And any user or non user can have any opinion they desire and well obviously by your own admission ...

    So what again is the problem in needing to tear me down? See, there's your focus on the negative.

    I've said I respect Mooch's opinion. That's fine he's welcome to his opinion, favorable to me or not. Big deal. I can respect his opinion yet vape as I choose to vape. As you point out so can any user or non-user of this forum. the information is out there and available freely. If I suggest a newbie stay above .20 it is to help guide them to being safe until they do get comfortable, have the info. That's not FUD, it's merely common sense. Why have new vapers risk blowing off their faces and give vaping as a whole a bad image? Then we get over reaching government "help".

    We see where that got us.

    So again, I ask what your problem with me is? You fully turn common sense and concern for people to some negative quality I have. Wow, that's mind blowing to me. As you create that "fault" you then lay in to tearing me down. Sorry, nope. I at least warrant knowing why, your "reasoning" for it so far is blown out of the water. You even aimed at it yourself. Good on you.
     
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    Sure, any user or non user can have any opinion they desire. My opinion is that the OP should listen to Mooch first because Mooch's explanation in the link I posted is 100 times more educational and informative than anything you wrote in the thread. Your personal drama about your soundcard and about whether or not I have a "specific problem" with you says more about you than it says about battery safety knowledge. Therefore it is also my opinion you are making it increasingly clear the drama you keep posting is only to hide the fact you know squat about safety on a mech.
    I'm not tearing you down. You're doing a great job of doing that yourself.
     
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    This is what you left out of your quote above. He's only saying the op should be careful and stay safe until he knows more. Trying to instill confidence in someone asking a broad question while using run of the mill batteries isn't that smart.
    I see others made similar suggestions why didn't you quote them and call them out? Just wondering, seems odd.

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    Q: "Is it safe?"
    A: "You should be careful. I'm sarcastic, but you should still be careful nevertheless... until you know more."

    Really very informative post, huh? And he also edited the part I didn't quote, and he edited it just to fool people into thinking it wasn't pure drama creation. Want to know what's odd? It's the fact everyone else except me thinks patronizing the OP by only pulling numbers out of their asses and nothing else is the cool thing to do. If I wanted to be sarcastic and create drama, I'd tell you it's the "until he knows more" part that is the most informative. But if I wanted to be helpful and informative, I'd explain how to find out more. I wasn't trying to instill confidence in the OP. Rather, I was letting him know how he can do that himself. In answer to your question of why I didn't call out the others, it was just my sarcasm that prevented me from doing that.
     
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    Thank you. that was part of my point as well. I let that go because it seemed too obvious, so much so i was not sure I read it validly.

    Can you explain to me what is meant by having adequate head space on a battery, and the importance in it providing a measure of remaining safe in use of Lithium ion & other forms of batteries, vaping or otherwise?

    I may not be the GOD you make Mooch out to be regarding battery safety. That's not to say I'm fully ignorant of the subject though. If you're such the expert for "listening to Mooch first and only" as you appear to assert, then I'm sure you'll likely know about head space.

    This is one these basic points of reference I learned after two weeks or so of using a mech. Glad I did too as it helped me with a slight advantage of knowledge when a battery for whatever reason (thinking due to age/cycling of the battery & it's cheapness) decided on heating so hot as to make the aluminium of a Copervape heat up. The knowledge let me keep a clear head and avoid an even more dangerous situation. I knew I had the head space which granted me a moment to slow the situation down, respond calmly & correctly. So yes, asking if you're aware of it, is informative, educational and so on.

    This is advice I found from a different source, although in fairness Mooch ought to be aware of it as well. And no this isn't continued as "drama" as you allege. I have a valid point in this line of question, a few valid points actually.

    Sorry no, that was not my intent to have edited the post. I was attempting to use humor to soften what may have seemed rather arbitrary, restrictive and all doom and gloom. I don't edit to deceive, full stop. You suggesting such is rather null and void too Google Cache can point that out if one checks, and you assume a new comer will instantly have knowledge enough to go query for Mooch on battery safety. Ergo, you'd assume too that use of Google Cache was inbred to said new comer.

    ETA: I missed a word. it's early morning, I'm human and not gotten fully awake, I'll miss words, it's called an "honest mistake". Maybe if you were humble enough you'd know about those.

    Also if you do listen to Mooch first and only you'll note he contradicts himself regarding a 25 amp battery preferred over a 20 amp battery. This was pointed out to you before also. Here's the link yet again.

    https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...ch-retest-results-a-great-20a-battery.706485/

    I'll also cite something else from that.

    I added an underline to his quoted material to emphasize my point. And yes, I'm aware one can alter their opinion. yet when one speaks as a "GOD" type which you seem to present, such can be seen as contradiction.
     
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    Adequate is a relative term. Everyone has to decide for him/herself. There are no safe numbers. There are no unsafe numbers. The safest advice is to stay away from Lithium rechargeable batteries altogether. But not if that drives people more toward continuing/relapsing to smoke cigarettes. They are dangerous batteries. Period. There is always a small risk with them, as they can start to vent even if they're not being used. This isn't to say you can't greatly reduce the risk of a battery venting. You can. But the "stay below this or that number until you know more" kind of advice is too vague and uninformative to be truly helpful as for how exactly it is that you can reduce this risk. This particular risk is also not the only risk involved with using these types of batteries. Maybe if you were humble enough you'd know about that.

    Also yet another mistake of yours is that I never said listen to Mooch first and only, and in fact Mooch himself said don't listen to Mooch first and only, for that matter. But what I will say, again actually, is don't read too much into baseless FUD, especially the FUD from people who are apparently making a lot of mistakes and who are telling the people who don't make a lot of mistakes to be humble. Also, I don't see Mooch contradicts himself about anything whatsoever in the post you linked. His personal opinion is based on his rigorous testing and his professional experience. Your personal opinion is it is OK to blindly patronize and resort to baseless lecturing as opposed to being more constructive and focused on the positive by pointing to useful knowledge instead. So it is not me, but you who focuses on the negative. You can feel free to disagree with me on this all you want, but I don't tell people to keep forever living in a padded room wearing a flannel suit stuffed with pillows. Rather, I tell people how they can focus on the positive and that is why I emphasize they can be capable enough to fix the problem of "until you know more".

    Yours sarcastically,
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    I actually do despite your seeming to want to deny that. It's fine too, you don't know me, I don't you. we both could read a lot of different things about one another in our texts, things which may or may not be true, we'd not know because we're ignorant of one another. Ignorance is curable, it's called learning, asking, getting experience.

    So far you've seemed to not desire that path. Instead you draw up your assumptions of me and what I write. Then, you assail. All I did was ask why you chose that. i'm not alone in seeing it as you directing an attack at one person in particular. It was pointed out to you as well. You still missed offering a logical answer. I can only observe that I've noted a lot of arrogant people do similar. Human beings and as a human being we're all keen to draw inferences, patterns. I dislike arrogant people, especially if they have no cause for the arrogance.

    Will grant that is likely something negative in my persona, I need to address. At the same time not sure I'm desiring to change myself simply to be a lackey of sorts. Does not suit me to patronize anyone, let alone myself.

    You misread. I never stated you said that. What I stated was it seems you defer to Mooch and Mooch only, and you held him to Godhood status. Yes, I summarized what I stated there. That's not deception. It is only summary and is indeed the crux and exactness of what I said.

    Reading you seem to place such high significance on a singular source, I did presume that was your only source. That to me did seem rather dull at best, lacking any indication of choosing to learn. Learning often requires multiple sources, I think we can agree on that. So, if that presumption was an error it was one of perception of what you presented. That still falls into being your choice.

    Well, he in that post stated that 20 Amp batteries were in my own words, rather suitable. Then, he later on, as in some other date in the past recent month or so rails on how 20 Amp batteries are a scourge. He now "endorses" only 25 Amp batteries. To me that reads as contradiction. I also see contradiction in the phrase, .. "In the beginning there was the Word, ..". It is not merely in Mooch's altering of opinion that I see contradiction. i'm rather strange like that, I comprehend contradiction too easily I think. Again though, not changing myself to be defined by anyone but myself, thanks. :)

    I disagree with you, yes I do. Not in the advice you give exactly. I disagree with you in your choice of how you create a seeming tornado of drama by apparent trolling, verbal and literary assault of other people as your means of conveying that advice. I disagree with you that your advice is Holy Writ from On High. I disagree with you that you seem to think, I think my advice is Holy Writ. I don't. Take my advice or leave it. I don't try patronizing people deliberately. Like you I think people need to take initiative to learn. Unlike you, at least seemingly, I don't have a need to put other people down to look good or feel good, over advice, gee .. c'mon, really?

    So you showing up all full of damned torpedoes careening in my direction, and I ask "hey, what's the idea", and you giving no reason ... yes, that I can and do hold disagreeing. I might even tell you to go un-fuck yourself because in my estimation you are not worth a fuck. Note, I said might, not that I did or do yet. I learn, that's my choice. you've not brought any lessons despite touting otherwise, save for me noting I need to not presume. I did wait to do that though.

    You seemed to me to not have desire to learn. You shut the conversation down by reigning Hell on me. This is not the first we've crossed paths. You continue doing that with me. I can only perceive it that you do have a particular problem with me. Ergo, I asked, you didn't answer except to say you were being sarcastic perhaps so didn't attack others. Okay? How does sarcasm manage that? Not following your logic there. I admit being dense at times, but c'mon don't patronize me either. But, ... You do and you attack. Again, your choice. My choice then is to write you off as the class of person I've no great interest in knowing, in learning from.

    I've seen enough hate to know it well. Thanks, I pass. Rather be more productive with love.

    Editing rationale: Cleared up some minor grammar, added a word or two i had skipped typing in. Flow of consciousness writing, conversational tone often evades me in that area. No deception in the editing, sorry.
     
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    Did anyone watch that video with mooch? I find it hilarious all this is because mooch said people start internet drama about batteries but in the very beginning of the video he also stated he definitely understands the need to tell NEW mech users to stay within the .20-.30ohm range. So why???
    Lastly I just want to clarify where I actully stand on this. I'm a mech user and I push my batteries more then most. But I also don't recommend new people to do it Just because I do it and it's safe. It's safe because I understand my hardwares limits and I don't push things when things like hot batteries start happening. My stuff is regularly cleaned and checked over. If I need to know the specs (real specs not wrapper specs) I go to mooches list and check, why because no one else I know of actully tests these batteries with vaping being the main focus, besides mooch. Also because I think mooch genuinely cares, I mean why else would he put so much work and effort into this shit?
    To the OP that hasn't responded in this thread for awhile, some things said here are good advice and no you don't have to fear your batteries, as long as you respect them and take the time to learn to use them properly and safely. People doing stupid shit like venting batteries, hurting them selves. Only hurts vaping and that my friends hurts all of us.

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    Mooch has answered why. For your and everyone else's convenience, the link I posted has a time code that points right to where his explanation starts.
    It's never 100 percent safe. That's just because like I said up thread, a Lithium rechargeable battery can start to vent even if it isn't being used at all. It happens only rarely, but nevertheless, it has happened to someone who is a member here. His Noisy Cricket was standing right in front of him on his desk when an authentic Samsung battery vented inside the mod, and this was despite he hadn't actually even touched the mod for quite a while. In the document linked below, on page 63 there is a section titled Internal Cell Fault Related to Manufacturing Defects. It provides clear examples, complete with pictures and all, of how things can still go wrong even if you follow the most paranoid safety "advice" on all of the internet.
    http://www.prba.org/wp-content/uploads/Exponent_Report_for_NFPA_-_20111.pdf

    That being said, there will always be stubborn folks who will use the battery ratings as a starting point to see how much farther they can take it. But that's why I explicitly told the OP not to fall in that category, and, you know as well as I do there's no need to belittle people who are new to using a mech when the reality is we can just skip the classical drama and instead explain in good detail about things like duty cycles, batteries, battery temperature, battery venting, preventing the fire button from getting pressed on accident and learning the mechanics. If you are new to the mech, then the last thing you need is to get aggravated like that by just another fucking ohms nazi. Reason I know this, there used to be a time when I was still new to the mech myself.
     
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    Care to provide when, where I've ever attempted pushing merely for the sake of pushing, battery limits that is to say. I am pretty sure I've not. I know once I had an accident due to a math error and was corrected by some on another forum. They explained my error in a way I understood without any hassle. I put a new build on that was in a safe range.

    It's not being a nazi to have valid concern for the safety of others and suggest a safe range. If that's the case you'd have real fun labeling a big swath of folks nazis. As pointed out a few times already, you've directed at me. Still not sure why. Don't care anymore either. Obvious you won't answer.
     
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    The part you quoted wasn't directed at you, for reasons that are obvious.
    You're being an ohms nazi by pulling an ohms number out of your ass calling it safe "until you know more". People who already made it perfectly clear all the way from the start the fact they want to know more are people who don't want to read your bruhaha, but rather, they simply want to know things like this:


     
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    no to both of those.
    I use vtc5a batteries all day and I vape at 0.13. that's me. don't do what someone else does. if I were you, get some vtc5a from imrbatteries.com or Illumn.com (whichever has them in stock) and if stick with 0.16 ohms and above, NOTHING Lower.




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    Well it's clear to me your ego is not allowing you to see the two or three logical fallacies you present as being the proofs and validation of your argument. It's not for me to explain that to you either.

    Suffice it to say I perceive this as you have an opinion, I have one. Which holds value? Neither one because both are that, opinions. Facts trump opinions. This is a dead argument.
     
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    Actually no, this whole argument has jack nothing to do with my ego. The only logical fallacy here is your own definition of the word 'value', as you haven't presented any facts that are relevant to the OP... aside from the fact you are an attention whoring ohms nazi who knows extremely very little about batteries and battery safety on the mech.
     
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    OP hasn't commented on this thread in 8 days maybe we could close this up? Just sayin.....

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    I lol'd.
     
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    Sounds good.
     

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