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well the wording of what i read so far leads me to believe
that anything made after 2007 has to be approved, BUT things could get exempted if you can show something similar was available before 2007
so it just depend son how liberal they feel like being with that exemption process.

now in regards to China, they have the authority to seize shit, so customs may seize our fastech orders.

I nee dto find some cahs and get a few products in my hands
so that would mean you will have to hire a lawyer and bargin with the goverment?....how many small modders can afford that...
 

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well the way i read it is like this

if someone can get an exception for say an ego battery through, then anyone else making something like an ego battery ie vision, can easily get an exemption as well because they just have to prove their product is just like an already exempted product. which then would lead to those APV egos that took replaceable batteries. if a non replaceable battery version is exempted, getting the replaceable battery version exempted is easier. which leads to a provari and so forth and so forth. SO in my mind it would take a company like joytech who offers a wide range of mods and tanks to get most fi not all their shit exempted to get just about every other thing we use today exempted.. But each manufacturer would still need to apply for the exemptions.

maybe im being overly optimistic or reading it wrong but there appears to be a path to get most of what is sold today exempted. provided we can get that first one exempted.

my hope is
they will hand out exemptions left and right so they can then tax those products as tobacco products
I think this regulation is more about making things be stuck in a higher tax rate when sold then anything
 

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Here is how it will work. There will be a significant increase of juicers overseas in places like Italy, Maylasia, Philippines, etc. There are already a TON of mod and atty manufactuers in places like Poland and Maylasia who will see the market for affordable non-Chinese gear. For juicers in the US, all they need to do is contract with any number of newly established third-party packagers/labs overseas. The only real thing that will change is that shipping costs will increase.
 

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Here is how it will work. There will be a significant increase of juicers overseas in places like Italy, Maylasia, Philippines, etc. There are already a TON of mod and atty manufactuers in places like Poland and Maylasia who will see the market for affordable non-Chinese gear. For juicers in the US, all they need to do is contract with any number of newly established third-party packagers/labs overseas. The only real thing that will change is that shipping costs will increase.
see im not thinking that will work.
im thinking they will seize or levy taxes on those imports
 

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see im not thinking that will work.
im thinking they will seize or levy taxes on those imports
Not unless the product is declared by description and not value. Remember, we've been sneaking past Ebay and Paypal for YEARS.
 

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You can ship and declare a mod or atty as pretty much ANYTHING. Juice can be shipped and declared as "Flavorings"
 

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the only thing they can regulate is nic base and gear,
PG, VG and flavors are used for many other things and they can't prove that you intend to use it for vaping.

Nic base is a different story.

I guess people will start buying small quantities of 1000mg/ml nic now ( which is dangerous and stupid).
 

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So when is the enforcement date? How long do we got to get ready? When do we start seeing real world effects?

Anyway, time to stock up on 200+ watt devices and rebuildables and gallons of nic. Get the shit now while its still cheap, before the sharks realize they can jack the prices and make a killin. Good time to be a Hoarder lol
 

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You can ship and declare a mod or atty as pretty much ANYTHING. Juice can be shipped and declared as "Flavorings"
You can ship ****** and declare it as flour too.
It doesn't mean that they won't screw you over when they catch it.
 
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So when is the enforcement date? How long do we got to get ready? When do we start seeing real world effects?

Anyway, time to stock up on 200+ watt devices and rebuildables and gallons of nic. Get the shit now while its still cheap, before the sharks realize they can jack the prices and make a killin. Good time to be a Hoarder lol

I'm good on nic - it's replacing my favorite shit as it wears out that could be problematic.

The personal budget for hoarding some things has been difficult.
 

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You can ship ****** and declare it as flour too.
It doesn't mean that they won't screw you over when they catch it.
I'm not here to debate or defend my position, I am here to state what is likely to occur. This information is based on my close friendships with modders and juicers based on my membership and relationship with the members of HEMO. This is a situation that was seen years ago, and in a great many cases, already planned for. Yes, it will eliminate well over half of the juicers and mod makers out there....and it needs to. The market is WAY over-flooded, and culling the herd is a healthy thing. It will increase competition, improve the quality, and re-create the market to appeal to those with tighter budgets. Conspiracy theorists will believe what they will, but that will have ZERO impact on the industry. When you have thousands and thousands of juicers out there, only the strongest prevail. Again, I am not here to debate, I am just telling the story as it exists with those who have positioned themselves properly in anticipation of such events. Have a nice day.
 
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Id rather see the market over saturated so I can get 120ml bottles for $10, good mods for $30-40, and attys for stupid low. I wasnt vaping then, but I heard years ago when the market was small, you were spending $100+ for a tank/atty and similar for mods.

Personally, Im just gonna keep doin what Im doin, which happens to be always buyin shit. Ive got enough mods to keep me goin for a long while, enough juice for a year plus, and enough rebuildables to survive the apocalypse. Throw in a few gallons of 100mg nic and fuck it, bring it on.
 

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I'm not here to debate or defend my position, I am here to state what is likely to occur. This information is based on my close friendships with modders and juicers based on my membership and relationship with the members of HEMO. This is a situation that was seen years ago, and in a great many cases, already planned for. Yes, it will eliminate well over half of the juicers and mod makers out there....and it needs to. The market is WAY over-flooded, and culling the herd is a healthy thing. It will increase competition, improve the quality, and re-create the market to appeal to those with tighter budgets. Conspiracy theorists will believe what they will, but that will have ZERO impact on the industry. When you have thousands and thousands of juicers out there, only the strongest prevail. Again, I am not here to debate, I am just telling the story as it exists with those who have positioned themselves properly in anticipation of such events. Have a nice day.
I'm not really fucking concerned with the vauge ennity you call the "industry" I was more concerned with the individuals who actually make up the vaping world and the small modders that I want the freedom to support...and if the market is overflooded the market will right itself without the aid of a crowd of the most evil and corrupt humans on the planet masquerading as the goverment using guns to people's heads to "make the world a better place" or "right" the market.
 
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I just bought a hexohm on sale for $140. I assume the "lifetime" warranty is out the window with this ruling since they probably will go belly up, too. I would hate to think that if I need a new RDA that it will cost that much, every time I want to pick one up. I don't see how that is sustainable. It may, IMO, curtail some of the Chinese clones but that's about it. People aren't going to spend hundreds of dollars on RDAs and stupid $30 mechs that are now seriously over priced due to government regulations. I think you will see people hurting themselves more by trying to build mods above their skill level.
 

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how much longer do these fucking tyrannts in the federal goverment think they can push people before they start pushing back......
I saw this Shit commin'. I am not affected because I bought all I could get of the materials to make my own juice & Atomizers, Mods, ect to vape with. The problem is Nobody has the BALLS to fight back. I have no words tongue can tell to communicate how Pissed I really am. It breaks my heart to know that so many lives will be lost or ruined over this bunch of fuckin' Morons that have done this. I VOTED in EVERY CASSA event ever produced, presented to me. I hope there sorry shit eating asshole that made this become law drowns in a septic tank slowly. Only WE THE PEOPLE can vote these Vermin out. All I am going to say. :shades:
 

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I saw this Shit commin'. I am not affected because I bought all I could get of the materials to make my own juice & Atomizers, Mods, ect to vape with. The problem is Nobody has the BALLS to fight back. I have no words tongue can tell to communicate how Pissed I really am. It breaks my heart to know that so many lives will be lost or ruined over this bunch of fuckin' Morons that have done this. I VOTED in EVERY CASSA event ever produced, presented to me. I hope there sorry shit eating asshole that made this become law drowns in a septic tank slowly. Only WE THE PEOPLE can vote these Vermin out. All I am going to say. :shades:

Lots of people are fighting, but not enough, for sure. Push for the passage of HR2058. (sponsored by Bill Cole)
 

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Page 38-39:
Greater regulatory certainty created by premarket authorizations should help companies to invest in creating novel products, with greaterconfidence that improved products will enter the market without having to compete against equally novel, but more dangerous products. For example, a company wishing to invest the additional resources needed to ensure that its e-cigarette is designed and manufactured with appropriate methods and controls will be more likely to do so if the product is not competing against products that are more cheaply and crudely made, yet appear to be identical to the consumer.
Translation: We're handing it all to Big Tobacco and we'll make sure they don't have any competition.
 

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At least we have 2 years for the FDA rules to go into effect. Those of us in California only have until June 9th until our draconian rules that our Gov. signed yesterday go into effect. While not at bad as the 2007 date (which will probably not happen since there is a bill that will likely pass nulling that date) it is still a huge step in the wrong direction for California. Unfortunately I have lived here long enough to see it as status quo.
 

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Would you keep the hexohm or wait and see how this goes with that company? Honest answers please.
 

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I worry when my rdas break. I can't fix them. I just ordered what I can but can't order more.
Im sure china will still be selling online and exporting...though it may be seized at customs but they wont catch it all...Im more concerned with juice then mods, VVV and the other companies I depend on wont be able to afford the application process...
 

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This is type of knee-jerk simplistic thinking that (IMO) contributes to the problems of which you complain.
 

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We have time :D We can still buy the ALL things we need. But I fully expect to see $30+ for a 30ml bottle in the future.

And don't say it won't happen. The greed and back stabbing that goes on within this industry is simply amazing. Once the small juice makers are gone, hell even before, we'll see a surge in pricing. And all these clean labs? Hell many of these guys don't even bottle their own juice now. It's bottled in an actual lab facility, by someone else.
 

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how much longer do these fucking tyrannts in the federal goverment think they can push people before they start pushing back......
As long as they want. People hate congress, but they love their congressmen and women. As demonstrated by Obama's continuation of so many of W's policies, the President doesn't really matter. Until there is a wholesale dumping of senators and congressmen/women, expect things to go on with business as usual.

Unless Trump is elected, in which case this is going to look like the Garden of Eden compared to the post-apocalyptic doomscape America will become with that egomaniacal nutbag in charge. He was endorsed by the grand wizard of the KKK who said, "A lot of what he believes in, we believe in." The conversation over who I'm voting for begins and ends with that statement. As a general rule, I side against the Klan at all times. Kasich was the person I wanted to see in the White House, but he's way too reasonable and intelligent for the job. I'm not exactly excited about Hillary or Bernie Sanders, who would bring a different kind of hellscape to America, but I'd take either in a heartbeat over Trump, who should be a punchline not a presidential candidate.
 

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i'm worried about the backyard modders i buy mods from

i'm in australia, nic is illegal here, juice companies sell double flavour strength 0mg juice, we then import nic to mix with it
 

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I'm guessing this means we'll all be ordering our gear from Fasttech from now on and the bigger juice companies will move overseas, so it's time to start planning all your vape purchases three weeks in advance. Ugh.
 

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He was endorsed by the grand wizard of the KKK who said, "A lot of what he believes in, we believe in."

Quote snipped for emphasis...

I try to stay out of political matters on social. But not today. And since you did manage to read THAT. Do us all a favor and read the other article where they withdrew their support of Trump, and threw it behind Hillary.

A book is an amazing thing. But only if you read all of it.
 

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Does anybody know how long until this law goes into effect? It's time to stock up before everything is shut down for good!
2 years, 30 days. After passage.

The FED goes after the stores 90 days (august) after it comes into effect this month. Based on what I've read.

This also effects cigar makers. Just Damn!!
 

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As long as they want. People hate congress, but they love their congressmen and women. As demonstrated by Obama's continuation of so many of W's policies, the President doesn't really matter. Until there is a wholesale dumping of senators and congressmen/women, expect things to go on with business as usual.

Unless Trump is elected, in which case this is going to look like the Garden of Eden compared to the post-apocalyptic doomscape America will become with that egomaniacal nutbag in charge. He was endorsed by the grand wizard of the KKK who said, "A lot of what he believes in, we believe in." The conversation over who I'm voting for begins and ends with that statement. As a general rule, I side against the Klan at all times. Kasich was the person I wanted to see in the White House, but he's way too reasonable and intelligent for the job. I'm not exactly excited about Hillary or Bernie Sanders, who would bring a different kind of hellscape to America, but I'd take either in a heartbeat over Trump, who should be a punchline not a presidential candidate.
Whereas the jugeared fascist asswipe Obama was endorsed by The Nation of Islam,The New Black Panthers, and Jermiah Wright..
 
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