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So I was looking for the big baby beast and found a deal on breazy.com. $26 for it not bad in my eyes. So I proceeded to check out and noticed the price went from $26 to $63. So I figured it doubled my order and looked at the order summary and found out a $26 item cost $32 in taxes and $3 shipping. Pa is killing me on taxes. Needless to say I'm not buying that.

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Somethings not right. Yeah, you're getting screwed with taxes, but that's well beyond the 40%.
 

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Somethings not right. Yeah, you're getting screwed with taxes, but that's well beyond the 40%.

Yeah that's what I thought. But if it's true that's crazy. I wonder if they can charge you two different state taxes where they are and where it's going?


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Yeah that's what I thought. But if it's true that's crazy. I wonder if they can charge you two different state taxes where they are and where it's going?


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Lord only knows that that's a possibility, as they are in NY I believe, and they are about as tax happy as Cali. The best way to get an answer is ask. Hey @Breazy_Com, what say ye?
 

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Lord only knows that that's a possibility, as they are in NY I believe, and they are about as tax happy as Cali. The best way to get an answer is ask. Hey @Breazy_Com, what say ye?

True. I'll have to do that. Maybe it was a glitch in the system. I don't see anyone ordering from pa if it is the case and it's accurate


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If any of you folks getting screwed need someone to ship stuff, just PM me....I hate seeing people getting jacked, especially by the fucking gov....!
 

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So I was looking for the big baby beast and found a deal on breazy.com. $26 for it not bad in my eyes. So I proceeded to check out and noticed the price went from $26 to $63. So I figured it doubled my order and looked at the order summary and found out a $26 item cost $32 in taxes and $3 shipping. Pa is killing me on taxes. Needless to say I'm not buying that.

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Fuckin NUTS, could almost buy three of the damn attys....!
 

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If any of you folks getting screwed need someone to ship stuff, just PM me....I hate seeing people getting jacked, especially by the fucking gov....!

I had a buddy get his stuff put on hold at the post office until he paid the pa taxes on it. It's getting rough here. The state is looking for vaping packages and making sure we pay our taxes ever since oct 1st


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I had a buddy get his stuff put on hold at the post office until he paid the pa taxes on it. It's getting rough here. The state is looking for vaping packages and making sure we pay our taxes ever since oct 1st


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How would they know? items placed in a plain cardboard box with pictures of boxes of cookies plastered all over the box. They sure as hell are not going to be ripping apart boxes during the holiday season looking for vaping products, especially when their in boxes other items would be in.

Hell, I may buy a shit load of common items and put um in the classies here, but not make a dime on the products. Then ship it camouflaged....!

I despise these no good SOB's..!!!
 

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I had a buddy get his stuff put on hold at the post office until he paid the pa taxes on it. It's getting rough here. The state is looking for vaping packages and making sure we pay our taxes ever since oct 1st


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Now I would imagine so, if the stuff was shipped from an online vape shop with their name plastered on the box.
 

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That's why if you notice a lot of places including ebay say they ship in plain boxes and envelopes. Discreetly. His package had a companies return address as something that said vaping. Like vaping depot or something like that can't remember the exact wording.

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If anyone got the tfv8 big baby for sale ill pay $60 for it. Lmao kidding Lol.

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That's why if you notice a lot of places including ebay say they ship in plain boxes and envelopes. Discreetly. His package had a companies return address as something that said vaping. Like vaping depot or something like that can't remember the exact wording.

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Yeah, it has to be shipped in a box something else would be in, or just a plain box with a residential return address, or both.
 

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Then write on the front of the box "Merry Christmas Johnny, love Mom"
 

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We live right on the border in MD. I pray that bullshit doesn't creep over the line some day. If it does, I'll just have to ship everything to my folks house in VA.
 

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So I was looking for the big baby beast and found a deal on breazy.com. $26 for it not bad in my eyes. So I proceeded to check out and noticed the price went from $26 to $63. So I figured it doubled my order and looked at the order summary and found out a $26 item cost $32 in taxes and $3 shipping. Pa is killing me on taxes. Needless to say I'm not buying that.

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As mentioned above order from eBay, most all ship with return address of a person. If you for some reason you still have issues just message me, I'll buy it for you and ship you the item. Government can kiss my fat ass
 

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Just did this as a test. They are definitely doing something wrong. 40% on $60 is only $24. NOT $72. My only hopenis that it isn't intentional. I'm getting aggrevated with companies trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

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Lord only knows that that's a possibility, as they are in NY I believe, and they are about as tax happy as Cali. The best way to get an answer is ask. Hey @Breazy_Com, what say ye?
So I emailed CS to get you guys an answer. I'm just a mere pion here lol. I will say that I do know that Andy the owner and Breazy does everything legit. He has lawyers that look into stuff and advise him. It sucks but he has to protect his business also. sad part is the places that don't follow the rules probably will keep getting away with it. But Hopefully I'll have an accurate answer for you later. If it is true we can only blame the individual states for their taxes. I know for a while there were states that we wouldn't even ship to.
 
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OK here's the answer. It sucks but it is what it is I guess. From customer service at Breazy:
Yeah this is correct, residents of states where we are required to collect a vape tax on are well aware of this as it was voted into law publicly. We are mandated to collect the tax even if we don't wish to. Unfortunately if we do not collect the tax we are in violation of this mandate and not only is the customer legally liable but so would breazy.
 
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OK here's the answer. It sucks but it is what it is I guess. From Arnie at Breazy:
Yeah this is correct, residents of states where we are required to collect a vape tax on are well aware of this as it was voted into law publicly. We are mandated to collect the tax even if we don't wish to. Unfortunately if we do not collect the tax we are in violation of this mandate and not only is the customer legally liable but so would breazy.

Thanks for the clarification. It does suck. Hopefully the lawsuit against the commonwealth will pan out to eliminate the tax.


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Thanks for the clarification. It does suck. Hopefully the lawsuit against the commonwealth will pan out to eliminate the tax.


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What really sucks is that when your an honest company it's harder to do business. Maybe in the end the ones not following the rules will get fined or weeded out but that would make it worse for vapers. Me I'm all about getting the cheapest prices and best deals also. Have a good day and thanks for the thought of using us anyway !
 

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The above examples suggest they are charging approximately 120% tax. :facepalm:
 

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What really sucks is that when your an honest company it's harder to do business. Maybe in the end the ones not following the rules will get fined or weeded out but that would make it worse for vapers. Me I'm all about getting the cheapest prices and best deals also. Have a good day and thanks for the thought of using us anyway !

Can you please break down the taxes you are charging for us. I know pa tax is 40% on wholesale price. Where does the other taxes come from?


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Something smells fishy with this whole scenario...My guess is a single attorney's interpretation.

The states cannot even figure out how to get Amazon to pay any state taxes unless they have a physical presence in the state. The only way to enforce a "vape tax" on out of state vendors is if the vendor voluntarily collects it. Once they collect it, who knows if they actually pay it to PA. (Not saying Breazy would do this but there is NO WAY for a consumer to know for sure.)

States cannot interfere with (US to US) USPS mail delivery without an appropriate warrant barring "exigent circumstances" which tax collection is not one of. PA is not doing random inspections of USPS mail.

http://www.rstreet.org/2014/11/19/yes-the-government-can-open-your-mail-without-a-warrant/

All of this bullshit about collecting taxes from out of state vendors or vendors not shipping to certain states is all voluntary on the vendor's part. Most vendors with business sense are going to make the sale and not worry about various state laws where they have no physical presence.

This may change if the various laws are ever tested in court with jurisdiction over the vendor and a precedent is set. Until then, just order from a vendor willing to take your money without any B.S. and don't worry about it. (Just don't make any purchases from a shop with a physical presence in PA...then the taxes would apply.)
 

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I've never ordered from Breazy so I can't attest to anything from that side, but I live in the Harrisburg area and have made at least 10+ orders from other online sites since 10/1 and have yet had the PA tax applied.
 

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So I copied the link to this thread and asked customer support to read it and make an better reply than I can. Hopefully he does it Tuesday
 
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Good morning,

We appreciate you bringing this shopping cart issue to our attention. We have since discovered an issue with our cart and have addressed the issue. Upon checkout you will be presented with the proper tax rate for your state. Breazy has always been committed to respecting state laws so we do collect the required tax for any individual state. For a brief time we suspended shipping to PA while our legal counsel looked into the new mandates. All taxes collected on behalf of any particular state are paid to that state as we are required to. Anyone with any follow up questions can reach out to me personally via email at [email protected] or can direct their questions to Dominic here who will provide you with guidance or a resolution. Thank you for your support of Breazy and for bringing this to our attention.
 
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Good morning,

We appreciate you bringing this shopping cart issue to our attention. We have since discovered an issue with our cart and have addressed the issue. Upon checkout you will be presented with the proper tax rate for your state. Breazy has always been committed to respecting state laws so we do collect the required tax for any individual state. For a brief time we suspended shipping to PA while our legal counsel looked into the new mandates. All taxes collected on behalf of any particular state are paid to that state as we are required to. Anyone with any follow up questions can reach out to me personally via email at [email protected] or can direct their questions to Dominic here who will provide you with guidance or a resolution. Thank you for your support of Breazy and for bringing this to our attention.

I'm glad you figured it out. The last question I have is will you be looking into the orders of people that have ordered from you in pa to ensure they weren't over charged. But I'll check it out to and see how the prices look now with taxes. I do appreciate you looking into the issue for us.

Definitely looks better on the taxes
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Good morning,

We appreciate you bringing this shopping cart issue to our attention. We have since discovered an issue with our cart and have addressed the issue. Upon checkout you will be presented with the proper tax rate for your state. Breazy has always been committed to respecting state laws so we do collect the required tax for any individual state. For a brief time we suspended shipping to PA while our legal counsel looked into the new mandates. All taxes collected on behalf of any particular state are paid to that state as we are required to. Anyone with any follow up questions can reach out to me personally via email at [email protected] or can direct their questions to Dominic here who will provide you with guidance or a resolution. Thank you for your support of Breazy and for bringing this to our attention.
Unless you have a physical presence in the state and shipping the item from that state you should not be charging the sales tax.
 

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It's me Dominick lol Not sure if it's a sales tax or more of a penalty tax imposed on the state for vaping. Email [email protected] to get that one straight. I do however agree. When I buy something online if they don't operate in my state I don't get charged taxes. I know a number of times different politicians tried to subject the internet to taxes. But I also am glad this was brought to our attention and that I conveyed it to them. That's messed up LMAO $72.00 to $11.00 biiiiiiiig difference. sorry it happened though !
 
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One last thought. If it's considered a tobacco item then it's subject to different rulings. That's why I think it was FedEx that got reamed for knowingly shipping ciggs from Indian reservations !
 

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It's me Dominick lol Not sure if it's a sales tax or more of a penalty tax imposed on the state for vaping. Email [email protected] to get that one straight. I do however agree. When I buy something online if they don't operate in my state I don't get charged taxes. I know a number of times different politicians tried to subject the internet to taxes. But I also am glad this was brought to our attention and that I conveyed it to them. That's messed up LMAO $72.00 to $11.00 biiiiiiiig difference. sorry it happened though !
They try to get away with that but can't because it's actually interfering with interstate commerce. Essentially they're attempting to enact tariffs which is against the Constitution.

One last thought. If it's considered a tobacco item then it's subject to different rulings. That's why I think it was FedEx that got reamed for knowingly shipping ciggs from Indian reservations !

That's because it is a Federal not State.
 

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So here's a quote I got from customer service so I'm just going to leave it at that "The act goes on to say anyone who possesses any "tobacco product" (as of October 1st) for which they have not paid the required tax will be guilty of committing a summary offense. An offense which can result in fines and up to 30 days in jail. All Vape manufacturers distributers and retailers must obtain licenses from the state in order to sell their vape products in Pennsylvania." so not only is it protecting Breazy it's protecting the PA consumer as well by Breazy following the state mandated rules. So unless your a lawyer willing to challenge this you simply don't know. The world is full of "know it all's and philosophers." I'm guessing that if and when the state gets around to it people and vendors will be prosecuted.
 
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Seems like they really thought this through. I wouldn't expect any less from the fine men and women who make up PA's legislative body.

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So here's a quote I got from Arnie so I'm just going to leave it at that "The act goes on to say anyone who possesses any "tobacco product" (as of October 1st) for which they have not paid the required tax will be guilty of committing a summary offense. An offense which can result in fines and up to 30 days in jail. All Vape manufacturers distributers and retailers must obtain licenses from the state in order to sell their vape products in Pennsylvania." so not only is it protecting Breazy it's protecting the PA consumer as well by Breazy following the state mandated rules. So unless your a lawyer willing to challenge this you simply don't know. The world is full of "know it all's and philosophers." I'm guessing that if and when the state gets around to it people and vendors will be prosecuted.
Guess retailers like Amazon, Wal-Mart, etc. don't charge taxes if the item isn't shipped from a source within that State are committing a crime?

They've got much better lawyers and have been challenged and have continually won ;)
 

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Not sure how much tobacco products Amazon and Wal-Mart sells lol. I give up anyway. Just wanted to get the reason this is being done out there. Also I found out the tax mistake was Shopify's fault and any vendor using them could or probably did have the same issues. Still our fault to an extent for not watching or checking. Always have to allow for the I factor in life. That stands for the idiot factor lol. But many thanks to you guys for catching it !
 

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Not sure how much tobacco products Amazon and Wal-Mart sells lol. I give up anyway. Just wanted to get the reason this is being done out there. Also I found out the tax mistake was Shopify's fault and any vendor using them could or probably did have the same issues. Still our fault to an extent for not watching or checking. Always have to allow for the I factor in life. That stands for the idiot factor lol. But many thanks to you guys for catching it !
It's taxes, now restrictions that's something completely different along with "Federal" taxes.

Anyway good luck to you for there is a lot of Vendors that won't charge the PA tax and will get away with it ;)

But good form for correcting the overcharge, a lot of Vendors wouldn't do it.

Cheers.
 

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Guess retailers like Amazon, Wal-Mart, etc. don't charge taxes if the item isn't shipped from a source within that State are committing a crime?

They've got much better lawyers and have been challenged and have continually won ;)

They are not committing any crime. I'm not sure you understand how taxes work. Specifically those in PA. If a resident of PA purchases anything online, we'll use Amazon for instance, the consumer is responsible for remitting what is called Use Tax when they file their taxes at years end. Amazon does NOT have to charge the consumer any tax. It's up to the consumer to be fair and honest. In reality though, nobody ever does this and the DOR likely doesn't enforce this. I mean we are only talking about 6% sales tax.

Now the PA Tobacco tax on the other hand. Well, we're talking about 40%. OF COURSE the DOR is going to watch and enforce this. That's a great deal of revenue they'll be missing if they don't. Let alone the amount of revenue they can make on fines levied against a resident who hasn't paid it. In all reality, vendors such as Breazy don't have to charge PA residents the tax. We are still as PA residents responsible for remitting it, only with the Tobacco Tax it's monthly not yearly. Breazy is actually doing the residents of PA a HUGE favor by charging it at checkout. They've taken the hard work out of it for the residents leaving them with nothing to worry about each month.

Maybe Breazy's attorney told them they had to when they really don't, but in the end, it's helping everyone stay within the law. The last thing you want as a PA resident is the DOR breathing down your neck.
 

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They are not committing any crime. I'm not sure you understand how taxes work. Specifically those in PA. If a resident of PA purchases anything online, we'll use Amazon for instance, the consumer is responsible for remitting what is called Use Tax when they file their taxes at years end. Amazon does NOT have to charge the consumer any tax. It's up to the consumer to be fair and honest. In reality though, nobody ever does this and the DOR likely doesn't enforce this. I mean we are only talking about 6% sales tax.

Now the PA Tobacco tax on the other hand. Well, we're talking about 40%. OF COURSE the DOR is going to watch and enforce this. That's a great deal of revenue they'll be missing if they don't. Let alone the amount of revenue they can make on fines levied against a resident who hasn't paid it. In all reality, vendors such as Breazy don't have to charge PA residents the tax. We are still as PA residents responsible for remitting it, only with the Tobacco Tax it's monthly not yearly. Breazy is actually doing the residents of PA a HUGE favor by charging it at checkout. They've taken the hard work out of it for the residents leaving them with nothing to worry about each month.

Maybe Breazy's attorney told them they had to when they really don't, but in the end, it's helping everyone stay within the law. The last thing you want as a PA resident is the DOR breathing down your neck.
Doing them a favor?

Sorry but I certainly don't see it as that.

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Doing them a favor?

Sorry but I certainly don't see it as that.

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Bottom line is the tax needs to be paid. By charging it at checkout it's re-mitted to the state by the vendor. The consumer at that point, has no more to do to be compliant.

How is that not helpful?

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Bottom line is the tax needs to be paid. By charging it at checkout it's re-mitted to the state by the vendor. The consumer at that point, has no more to do to be compliant.

How is that not helpful?

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You can spin it any way you like but the reality is most all PA customers are going to buy it elsewhere.

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You can spin it any way you like but the reality is most all PA customers are going to buy it elsewhere.

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I'm not spinning anything. What I don't think you understand is that the tax NEEDS to be paid. Otherwise there are fines imposed.

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The one thing I can have honestly say is most people are going to buy elsewhere until the whole pa tax gets removed paying half the price of an item in tax plus the item itself is more expensive then driving over the bridge to buy it in the b&m. I just of all these things that were said hope that Breazy.com looks at all the orders from people in pa and refunds them the money is they were overcharged with this mixup in the pay server.


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We all have to realize that most of our state legislators are just regular people and may have very limited government experience. A lot of these unenforceable bills they pass are just "show of force" laws that make the legislators proud of themselves but really do nothing but harm people and the state's budget.

The PA legislators have started a situation of "unintended consequences" where they are actually going to decrease tax revenue when this is all said and done. PA vape shops will continue to close and consumers will buy from vendors who do not charge the tax. I am guessing the Chinese vendors just love US laws like these ;)

I haven't read the PA bill myself but it would be interesting to know what the enforcement budget is, if anything. Auditing online purchases for tax collection has never been done successfully at the state level. EVER. I doubt PA has hired more people or created a division at their DOR for enforcement. It all comes down to money and PA is going to have to spend quite a bit on enforcement to collect less than the enforcement costs are. I am sure for the non-legislators that could potentially be tasked with enforcement who have to actually work within a budget are going to make vape tax enforcement a high priority :blech:
 

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The one thing I can have honestly say is most people are going to buy elsewhere until the whole pa tax gets removed paying half the price of an item in tax plus the item itself is more expensive then driving over the bridge to buy it in the b&m. I just of all these things that were said hope that Breazy.com looks at all the orders from people in pa and refunds them the money is they were overcharged with this mixup in the pay server.


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Hey if anyone was overcharged by accident all they have to do is email us and I'm sure it will be corrected. I also agree people in the home office should see if anyone was wronged and correct it ASAP. We always try to do the right thing at Breazy and anyone who has come to me on this forum with a question, problem or issue it was always resolved. You can't stay in business hurting people, it don't work. I get nuts sometimes because I've been doing customer service since the 80's and am damn good at it. We shouldn't be making amateur mistakes and honestly we shouldn't even have any complaints ! Fact of the matter is stuff does happen. It's how you handle it that matters. For me honesty and admitting your mistakes is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ! People don't like to be lied to !.
 

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