I have not had vapers tongue since I quit commercial ejuice over 2.5 years ago.
I DIY with a max flavoring of 10% and usually around 7.5%.
I DIY with a max flavoring of 10% and usually around 7.5%.
Just a visual aid here. I doubt I’ll convert you from the Achilles you love. I’m starting to feel the same way about the siren 2 & I’ve only had it a few days.Yeah, that coil mounting is something I definitely hate about it -- those kinds of coil fasteners are the biggest pain in the ass EVER... well, second only to hex-nuts. I prefer the Kayfun style, easy peasy to wrap the wire around a screw and fasten down; the Berserker has that, also the original Lemo... and my beloved Achilles.
Andria
Just a visual aid here. I doubt I’ll convert you from the Achilles you love. I’m starting to feel the same way about the siren 2 & I’ve only had it a few days.
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Ok... visual aid for what? I can't really tell anything about it... except that it has THREE huge airholes under where the coil goes, which disqualifies it immediately as too airy. If they had ONE hole, about half to two-thirds that size, it might be worth trying.
Andria
The coil fasteners. The flathead screws. As far as airflow, you can close off the airflow to half (or more) of the smallest hole. It’s a tighter draw than a cigarette.
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Yep Andria without the hole under the coil being tight enough you cannot get a really good tight MTL vape.
I can shut down the air on a subtank mini to a tight draw but it is not a good tight MTL atty.
yep pretty much. Small chamber and pretty small driptip bore.I'm assuming a good design for tight airflow and flavour would be placing the restriction JUST under the coil? Anything before that doesn't really matter, and everything after that just needs to focus on keeping the pathway narrow (IE narrow drip top, tapered chamber)?
Good to know. I've got my TFV8 RBA I'm using now. It will never give me MTL hits. No matter how much I turn down the airflow, it still feels like a thin airy hit, I suppose because the air flow slots are massive.yep pretty much. Small chamber and pretty small driptip bore.
Not really possible to make a good True MTL and DTL all in one vape.
also side airflow does not usually work for a good MTL vape either.
yes I think that is safe to say.From what I gathered the Mini is shorter which makes for a smaller chamber? And I know the merlin mini has more restrictive airflow inserts so I don't see how it could perform any worse?
Either way is it safe to say either of these will offer a tighter hit than my current TFV8 RBA in a Melo 300?
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Andria
I have not had vapers tongue since I quit commercial ejuice over 2.5 years ago.
I DIY with a max flavoring of 10% and usually around 7.5%.
I beg to differ. I'm strictly MTl and all my atties have side airflow.also side airflow does not usually work for a good MTL vape either.
Air volume INside the atty and drip tip size has more affect on draw IMO than does the size of the inlet. Big holes under a coil mean big voluminous air passages..The coil fasteners. The flathead screws. As far as airflow, you can close off the airflow to half (or more) of the smallest hole. It’s a tighter draw than a cigarette.
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Just a visual aid here. I doubt I’ll convert you from the Achilles you love. I’m starting to feel the same way about the siren 2 & I’ve only had it a few days.
Air volume INside the atty and drip tip size has more affect on draw IMO than does the size of the inlet. Big holes under a coil mean big voluminous air passages..
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Looser MTL or tight as heck MTL?I beg to differ. I'm strictly MTl and all my atties have side airflow.
No, I’ve only had it a couple days now but, so far no. I woke up this morning & found my mod on its side next to me. No leaks, No e juice on the blanket.Does it leak if it's on its side @okeasykilla?
yep pretty much. Small chamber and pretty small driptip bore.
Not really possible to make a good True MTL and DTL all in one vape.
also side airflow does not usually work for a good MTL vape either.
I beg to differ. I'm strictly MTl and all my atties have side airflow.
For a very loose MTL maybe.
Merlin mini should do better at MTL than the Ammit. But the chamber is kinda large for a really good MTL atty.
The origional Merliin was a good restricted lung hit atty.
There are exceptions to every rule....... Fact of nature.I'm still not sure the small chamber really matters. The Achilles is 22mm and fairly tall for an RDA (about 35mm), but has flavor that can knock you down. But the internal airhole directly beneath the coil is 1.5mm, and the external airflow can be adjusted still tighter. It has MUCH better flavor than any tank I've ever used, which all have small internal chambers and some even have a domed shape at the top of those small chambers.
Andria
I think on the achilles it's the velocity of the air hitting the coil... causes allot of fast expansion and aides atomization. That little inlet blowing a jet of air on the coil the exploding into a cloud. Like a Garden hose in a bucket. Fast in.. expands... slow out..As I said, I don't think the chamber matters much -- but that huge honkin airhole under the coil would make that a shitty vape.
Andria
I think on the achilles it's the velocity of the air hitting the coil... causes allot of fast expansion and aides atomization. That little inlet blowing a jet of air on the coil the exploding into a cloud. Like a Garden hose in a bucket. Fast in.. expands... slow out..
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Well coming from the world of spray guns, which I'm a little more familiar with. There's two main factors, CFM, and air pressure. Lower CFM at the same air pressure creates less atomization. So applying that, restricting air flow at the AFC cuts off CFM, but if the air hole at the coil is still tighter than the AFC (flows less cfm) you you can still create high pressure, but lack the CFM to fully flush the air away from the coil.
However, if the air flow to the coil less restricted than at the AFC, you are gaining CFM, and losing air pressure. This would equate to thinner, weaker clouds.
If I understand correctly, the AFC ring controls CFM, and if your air at the coil is not the same, or less than the CFM flow at the AFC, you will lose air pressure and density to the vape.
So if I have this correct, the balance is between the area of the coil and what it needs in terms of CFM and air pressure to cool and clear the air, VS the CFM and pressure coming through the air hole to the coil. You can have all the pressure in the world but with not enough CFM the coil will heat and the vape gets hot, too much CFM and not enough pressure results in a thin weak vape?
No, I’ve only had it a couple days now but, so far no. I woke up this morning & found my mod on its side next to me. No leaks, No e juice on the blanket..
I buy and mix, the stuff I buy I have to add about 25% VG to it to tone it down.I have not had vapers tongue since I quit commercial ejuice over 2.5 years ago.
I DIY with a max flavoring of 10% and usually around 7.5%.
Primarily O-16, Nuppin, and sometimes still Cyclone.Looser MTL or tight as heck MTL?
Hardcore MTL vapers go for around a 1 mm max air jet on the coil.
But I could be wrong have been once or twice.
What attys with side airflow do you use?
Yeah but you jammed a piece of needle in there to reduce the air hole?I'm still not sure the small chamber really matters. The Achilles is 22mm and fairly tall for an RDA (about 35mm), but has flavor that can knock you down. But the internal airhole directly beneath the coil is 1.5mm, and the external airflow can be adjusted still tighter. It has MUCH better flavor than any tank I've ever used, which all have small internal chambers and some even have a domed shape at the top of those small chambers.
Andria
Whatever keeps you off the stinkys. Simples. I'm sick of those who think that people should vape like them. Its divisive if nothing else. I don't care if you make big clouds, or little piffle poofs,as long as you are courteous its all better than smoking.
What's of minor interest, is that you do not usually hear the cloud crowd whining, and bitching about the piffle poofers destroying vaping for everyone. The insecurity driven compulsion to ensure everyone vapes correctly (like they do) seems to be predominately associated with the low wattage low wattage bunch.
If you don't think I make big enough clouds, or too big clouds, I assure you, I will give your comments all due consideration. Then, I'll tell you to fuck off. Unless you provide me with my attys, mods, and make my juice for me, you have no credibility, or leverage to affect the way I vape.
If it is so important to the anal retentive assholes who cannot stand to see anyone doing something differently from themselves, to the extent they need to confabulate intricate and complex manifestos built on bullshit, completely disregarding the laws of supply and demand, in order to portray themselves as some type of victim, that they manage to actually accomplish what the FDA and other conglomerates have failed to do, I'll stand with the cloud crowd.
At least they blow it out of their mouths.
Yeah but you jammed a piece of needle in there to reduce the air hole?
As our friend Anthony said somewhere, there is no wrong way to vape.
I'm only bothered by the obnoxious people blowing clouds into peoples faces and in indoor public areas (Yes, I see it all the time) I've yet to meet a genuine vaper who enjoys big clouds for the sake of big clouds. They all tell me they love fogging out areas or surprising people, THAT is obnoxious, and in my opinion, the WRONG way to vape.Whatever keeps you off the stinkys. Simples. I'm sick of those who think that people should vape like them. Its divisive if nothing else. I don't care if you make big clouds, or little piffle poofs,as long as you are courteous its all better than smoking.
What's of minor interest, is that you do not usually hear the cloud crowd whining, and bitching about the piffle poofers destroying vaping for everyone. The insecurity driven compulsion to ensure everyone vapes correctly (like they do) seems to be predominately associated with the low wattage low wattage bunch.
If you don't think I make big enough clouds, or too big clouds, I assure you, I will give your comments all due consideration. Then, I'll tell you to fuck off. Unless you provide me with my attys, mods, and make my juice for me, you have no credibility, or leverage to affect the way I vape.
If it is so important to the anal retentive assholes who cannot stand to see anyone doing something differently from themselves, to the extent they need to confabulate intricate and complex manifestos built on bullshit, completely disregarding the laws of supply and demand, in order to portray themselves as some type of victim, that they manage to actually accomplish what the FDA and other conglomerates have failed to do, I'll stand with the cloud crowd.
At least they blow it out of their mouths.
I'm only bothered by the obnoxious people blowing clouds into peoples faces and in indoor public areas (Yes, I see it all the time) I've yet to meet a genuine vaper who enjoys big clouds for the sake of big clouds. They all tell me they love fogging out areas or surprising people, THAT is obnoxious, and in my opinion, the WRONG way to vape.
Is vaping in the vape shop allowed? I'm referring to surprising the random public. For instance as you're walking into walmart...
I definitely don't blow clouds in peoples faces or intentionally fog up a place, I'll apologize if I do by accident or if the wind picks up and brings it towards someone.I've yet to meet a genuine vaper who enjoys big clouds for the sake of big clouds.
sort of agree but I think it's more of a respect problem..There is no wrong way to vape. There are, however, many wrong ways to use high-powered batteries.