Let's chat about Layers...

[Smoky Blue]

Do you do layers?? hmm wtf is Smoky talking bout??

oh a lil something like this:


4% Capella's Custard
2% FA Custard
1% TFA Sweet Cream
.75% Butterscotch Fa

but let's say you wanted a chocolate vape.. here is another good one:

2% Milk Chocolate TFA
2% Cocoa FA
1% Chocolate FA
.5% Chocolate Truffle
2% Vienna Cream FA

see how those are layered? I used 3 companies chocolates

this is what I call "follow the leader" in this case it would be the Cocoa.. why? because FA is concentrated more so than tfa, and the vz stands away from both of those because it is a heavier concentrate too.. even tho there is a cream in there, the chocolate surrounds it and says hey we go this way.. while the cream is the "smoother" and says you guys might be chocolate, but I am cream and I will mellow you out!

make sense?

what layers will you play with today??

 

[HeadInClouds]

sorry, Smoky - I meant to come back and comment, but my attention span is short today.

I sometimes use multiple versions of similar flavors like that, but most of the time I use just the one I like best.

If there are 2 fantastic but different flavors (sour plus sweet apple, for example), I'll put them together and usually enjoy the results.
If there are 2 so-so or crappy versions, I usually end up tasting the worst qualities of both. Badness, multiplied.

When I think of layered flavor, something entirely different comes to mind. You know when you mix flavors and can taste them at different points during the inhale/exhale? That is my idea of layered flavor, and I have a lot of fun aiming for vapes like that.

 

[Ld3441]

Good morning Smoky...
I have not layered flavors to that extent mostly because I do not have that many of the same flavor.
There are probably a couple of flavors I do and should give this a shot to see what I come up with.
Looking forward to the weekend and mixing!

 

[Smoky Blue]

sorry, Smoky - I meant to come back and comment, but my attention span is short today.

that's ok HIC.. i got a bunch going on and will be bouncing in and out for the rest of the month..
Tis the Season haha!!
Just got back in from shopping too.. and bags are piled up at the door..

I sometimes use multiple versions of similar flavors like that, but most of the time I use just the one I like best.

If there are 2 fantastic but different flavors (sour plus sweet apple, for example), I'll put them together and usually enjoy the results.
If there are 2 so-so or crappy versions, I usually end up tasting the worst qualities of both. Badness, multiplied.

When I think of layered flavor, something entirely different comes to mind. You know when you mix flavors and can taste them at different points during the inhale/exhale? That is my idea of layered flavor, and I have a lot of fun aiming for vapes like that.

Yes, there are a few different ways to think on layers..

your example of a sweet and tart/sour type, one that yes!

then the next one, you can taste "x" on inhale with a shot to the throat of something unexpected (heat/cold) and an exhale..
^^ and these can have layers too.. work.. ^^

What I was talking about is different texturing, creating a fuller body..
filling in spots where one flavor company may have the right right flavor, but you know it will fall a bit shy of the goal for fullness..
mixing different companies can sometimes fill that gap

kind of like my chocolate, as my example..

the cocoa (fa) taste i get is good.. but doesnt handle high heat well..
by blending in other kinds of chocolates, using different companies, it works to make it more tolerable..
the layers not only smooth things out, but add a bit more depth so you can really taste it..

I normally do mechs and drippers, so it's hard for me to handle just a single flavor..
maybe it is just me, but i look forward to having good flavor, not overpowering, but yet not flat..
not too light, and for sure not a in your face, taste me as you inhale..

I do have one Christmas recipe or well a recipe gift to give out.. but it is not time yet..
I do hope everyone kept a few funds left from black friday, cuz you will need it haha!!

 

[Smoky Blue]

Good morning Smoky...
I have not layered flavors to that extent mostly because I do not have that many of the same flavor.
There are probably a couple of flavors I do and should give this a shot to see what I come up with.
Looking forward to the weekend and mixing!

sometimes it isn't about using the same flavor, either, LD but combining things to lay like you would in a kitchen..
think of it as creating a piece of art, going into your mouth.. dripping with that or so special goodness

 

[acidrain23]

Layers! Yes!! I just got a bunch of tobaccos from ECX so I had some ideas. Think I will probably try them standalone first, but here is some brainstorming I was doing. Lots of layers here! NOTE: 100% untested- I have not mixed any of these yet and they could easily be totally WRONG. I probably won't get around to making them for real for quite some time, but I'll let you know if I do.

"Super Honey Peach Tobacco"
2% ECX RY4
1% FA White Peach
1% TFA Juicy Peach
1% NF Honey Peach
1% FW Honeywood Tobacco
1% TFA Honeysuckle
1% FA Vanilla Tahiti
1% INW DNB

"Messenger of Evil"
6% Homemade Clove
6% Homemade Anise
2% ECX Captain
1% ECX Hongtashan (Black Fire)
1% ECX Yunyan
1% ECX Sampoerna
1% FW Clove
1% FA Vanillin
1% INW DNB
1% TFA Smooth
2% EM
1% Apple Cider Vinegar

"Dirty Menthol Cigarette"
2% Hangsen New Bay
1% Hangsen Virginia
1% ECX Yunyan
1% TFA Menthol
1% INW DNB
1% TFA Smooth

"Krampus "
4% Homemade Nutmeg
4% Homemade Clove
4% Homemade Anise
1% FA Cardamom
? ECX Captain
? ECX Yunyan
? ECX Hongtashan
? FW Honeywood Tobacco
? ECX Rum

 

[tick22]

Thanks Smoky, you will get me through this first weekend without me blowing myself up.

HeadInClouds
This an answer to a question I ask her earlier. You will find alot of possible repeat questions happening as a lot of us are now trying our hand at DIY and really, the information can make a person go , Oh Hell No!! and the amount of info out there can be hard to locate on the forums without reading 2 million pages. So sometime, you will see a newbie question pop out of the blue. I try to PM my dumb questions and thank Smoky for taking the time to try and make it as simple as possible.

You vets are awesome but us newer DIYers are far, far behind your knowledge and experience level...

Me... 1 and 1 equals 2

vets...., pie equals square r2 to the infinite power of 0.

Big difference...

Also thanks for the recipes and information you all post. Someday, I will have my own to post. I hope.....

 

[tick22]

Layers! Yes!! I just got a bunch of tobaccos from ECX so I had some ideas. Think I will probably try them standalone first, but here is some brainstorming I was doing. Lots of layers here! NOTE: 100% untested- I have not mixed any of these yet and they could easily be totally WRONG. I probably won't get around to making them for real for quite some time, but I'll let you know if I do.

"Super Honey Peach Tobacco"
2% ECX RY4
1% FA White Peach
1% TFA Juicy Peach
1% NF Honey Peach
1% FW Honeywood Tobacco
1% TFA Honeysuckle
1% FA Vanilla Tahiti
1% INW DNB

"Messenger of Evil"
6% Homemade Clove
6% Homemade Anise
2% ECX Captain
1% ECX Hongtashan (Black Fire)
1% ECX Yunyan
1% ECX Sampoerna
1% FW Clove
1% FA Vanillin
1% INW DNB
1% TFA Smooth
2% EM
1% Apple Cider Vinegar

"Dirty Menthol Cigarette"
2% Hangsen New Bay
1% Hangsen Virginia
1% ECX Yunyan
1% TFA Menthol
1% INW DNB
1% TFA Smooth

"Krampus "
4% Homemade Nutmeg
4% Homemade Clove
4% Homemade Anise
1% FA Cardamom
? ECX Captain
? ECX Yunyan
? ECX Hongtashan
? FW Honeywood Tobacco
? ECX Rum

Your like me, lots of new flavors and ideals yet, I have to get to know what each taste like.
Single mixes first then, watch out!!! It will either be great, good or what the hell did I make?????

 

[acidrain23]

For sure! The bottleneck I have is actually sampling the flavors. Gotta get me a dripper I think (maybe santa will bring me one).
I also CANT RESIST trying some wacky stuff out, even though I know I should be taking more time during the development phase getting each flavor precisely dialed in. My solution going forward is going to be to mix some standalones, a couple of intermediate mixes and a few complex ones during each session, that way I can get the basic research done, + have a few more complicated recipes to sample. YMMV, but cheers!

 

[tick22]

For sure! The bottleneck I have is actually sampling the flavors. Gotta get me a dripper I think (maybe santa will bring me one).
I also CANT RESIST trying some wacky stuff out, even though I know I should be taking more time during the development phase getting each flavor precisely dialed in. My solution going forward is going to be to mix some standalones, a couple of intermediate mixes and a few complex ones during each session, that way I can get the basic research done, + have a few more complicated recipes to sample. YMMV, but cheers!

Your a braver man than me. that is for sure.
Now I may pick up speed after the tasting and testing of flavors and I already have my eye on some of the recipes I have seen here and elsewhere from Smoky, HICs and others, but like you, I will want to try my hand at my own crazy creations as well...

I was the kid that blew up his parents attic as a kid with a chemistry kit and later the High School classroom. Too old to heal from those types of boo boo now. laughs... I do like to experiment....You should see some of the stuff i cook... mmmm, as in meals....

 

[acidrain23]

Oh, no doubt- main thing is to have fun! And to try not to get discouraged by failures- i have BAGS full of botched e-liquid. But I have some great keepers too that I vape on all the time. I haven't bought any commerical e-liquid in months thanks to this forum. Cheers everyone!

 

[Smoky Blue]

Oh, no doubt- main thing is to have fun! And to try not to get discouraged by failures- i have BAGS full of botched e-liquid. But I have some great keepers too that I vape on all the time. I haven't bought any commerical e-liquid in months thanks to this forum. Cheers everyone!

that is the ticket

have fun.. enjoy yourself.. and make notes.. notes are the biggest thing..
I am bad on those too.. i think they get together with my recipes and like multiply when my back is turned..

 

[Daintanee]

Layers! Yes!! I just got a bunch of tobaccos from ECX so I had some ideas. Think I will probably try them standalone first, but here is some brainstorming I was doing. Lots of layers here! NOTE: 100% untested- I have not mixed any of these yet and they could easily be totally WRONG. I probably won't get around to making them for real for quite some time, but I'll let you know if I do.

"Super Honey Peach Tobacco"
2% ECX RY4
1% FA White Peach
1% TFA Juicy Peach
1% NF Honey Peach
1% FW Honeywood Tobacco
1% TFA Honeysuckle
1% FA Vanilla Tahiti
1% INW DNB

"Messenger of Evil"
6% Homemade Clove
6% Homemade Anise
2% ECX Captain
1% ECX Hongtashan (Black Fire)
1% ECX Yunyan
1% ECX Sampoerna
1% FW Clove
1% FA Vanillin
1% INW DNB
1% TFA Smooth
2% EM
1% Apple Cider Vinegar

"Dirty Menthol Cigarette"
2% Hangsen New Bay
1% Hangsen Virginia
1% ECX Yunyan
1% TFA Menthol
1% INW DNB
1% TFA Smooth

"Krampus "
4% Homemade Nutmeg
4% Homemade Clove
4% Homemade Anise
1% FA Cardamom
? ECX Captain
? ECX Yunyan
? ECX Hongtashan
? FW Honeywood Tobacco
? ECX Rum

Hahaha acidrain!! Unfortunately as a newbie I made one awesome creation but not only do my flavors not sure of % but forgot what flavors I put in and that just sucks when I've vaped it all up.

 

[Daintanee]

I understand you both now Smoky and HIC! My brain works best with pictures...the other half not so much...you both painted a very good picture in words my brain understands! Yay me! Can take me a while to catch on, so I just laugh at myself a lot...as do others!! Eww yippy! I found the icons! Ya I'm easy to please!!!!!!!!

 

[RocketPuppy]

vets...., pie equals square r2 to the infinite power of 0.

Pi? or Pie?


or

Sorry. I had to.

 

[tick22]

Pi? or Pie?


View attachment 9767 or View attachment 9766

Sorry. I had to.

PIE!!!!!! of course. we're making flavors not Rocket Science. laughs..

 

[RocketPuppy]

PIE!!!!!! of course. we're making flavors not Rocket Science. laughs..

When you referenced r squared and infinity, pie didn't make sense. So sorry

 

[Daintanee]

Gotta know math to excel at science so I say most definitely PIE all the way! But then if I was smart and went with PI I might not be 30 lbs. overweight! Nope too much thought... I vote PIE!

 

[RocketPuppy]

You may want to change the name of the thread. If you're discussing layering flavors, it's really about using different flavors to enhance and build a more complex experience.

What I was talking about is different texturing, creating a fuller body..

^ you may want to change it to how you describe it here.


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[crybabybunting]

I don't even know about layers. What is it? I know about combining. I know about amalgamation. All my joose turns out one color. I mean, how do you do it?

 

[tick22]

it's magic!!!!!!!

 

[Daintanee]

I don't even know about layers. What is it? I know about combining. I know about amalgamation. All my joose turns out one color. I mean, how do you do it?

Cool... I just looked up what amalgamation means now I know too!!

I'm not the one to answer here, but from what I get from Smoky is to blend different% of various flavors from different companies to make the flavor you want taste better and also to blend well to make a smooth tasting juice. Have I done that yet? Not successfully! But I am extremely new at this and don't know that much about the taste or % of flavors from different companies to be able to do this yet.

As far as HICs explanation goes I believe he means mixing different flavors together that result in tasting them at different points during your vape expirience like tasting a warm sweet fruit on inhale and a creamy toasty exhale. Just an example of different tastes during your inhale exhale.

Did my brain receive this info correctly smoky and HIC?

 

[Smoky Blue]

Cool... I just looked up what amalgamation means now I know too!!

I'm not the one to answer here, but from what I get from Smoky is to blend different% of various flavors from different companies to make the flavor you want taste better and also to blend well to make a smooth tasting juice. Have I done that yet? Not successfully! But I am extremely new at this and don't know that much about the taste or % of flavors from different companies to be able to do this yet.

As far as HICs explanation goes I believe he means mixing different flavors together that result in tasting them at different points during your vape expirience like tasting a warm sweet fruit on inhale and a creamy toasty exhale. Just an example of different tastes during your inhale exhale.

Did my brain receive this info correctly smoky and HIC?

Yes..

 

[Daintanee]

Yippy! I may not be able to do it yet, but I get it!

 

[Smoky Blue]

I was just curious if anyone thought on this, with layering.. while mixing..

 

[RocketPuppy]

I was just curious if anyone thought on this, with layering.. while mixing..

Yep. Commented above.

 

[Daintanee]

Well of course I did but I gotta get more flavors to do so...I have to get all those strawberries and bananas to try to figure it out for my papa in law...but I'll probably have many failures for a bit and have to vape them all standalone first for my brain to formulate how to layer them. And then maybe certain ones won't work as well as others do together so it'll be my grand experience. Getting some flavors after Christmas! I'll let ya know

 

[tick22]

I thought that is how you did it, add a drop mix or shake, try another etc?????

mm, not sure I got that across right.

or even got the question right?????

Hey look at all us rookies here......

 

[Daintanee]

I thought that is how you did it, add a drop mix or shake, try another etc?????

mm, not sure I got that across right.

or even got the question right?????

Hey look at all us rookies here......

Haha! Sometimes I just fill my nautilus with a mix and add a drop of this and that. Or sometimes with 1/2 a tank full of juice I fill the rest with a completely different mix! Waste not! But sometimes is so bad I waste it and dump!

 

[tick22]

But sometimes you get GOLD. I have done that as well. You win some and lose others.

 

[Daintanee]

I thought that is how you did it, add a drop mix or shake, try another etc?????

mm, not sure I got that across right.

or even got the question right?????

Hey look at all us rookies here......

I get it...think it's best way when starting out!

 

[Time]

I was just curious if anyone thought on this, with layering.. while mixing..

Well, I've thought about it while thinking about mixing, lol. I'm not far enough along and supplies are still a bit limited to put it into practice.

I do appreciate the thread. It's best, for me, to read about things before I get there so I know what I need to do to get there.

 

[Iamme]

I'm not so strict with my juice mixing. I use syringes for my Nic, but I use drops for my flavors.

I just mixed on tonight that is different, but tasty.
30 blueberry
15 vanilla
15 wintergreen
10% flavor total in a 30ml bottle. The wintergreen is in the very back. Blueberry up front. Between the two you get a rich vanilla. I'm out of French vanilla, but it may taste even better.

 

[tick22]

I'm not so strict with my juice mixing. I use syringes for my Nic, but I use drops for my flavors.

I just mixed on tonight that is different, but tasty.
30 blueberry
15 vanilla
15 wintergreen
10% flavor total in a 30ml bottle. The wintergreen is in the very back. Blueberry up front. Between the two you get a rich vanilla. I'm out of French vanilla, but it may taste even better.

Are the numbers up top, the number of drops and if so what are you using as a dropper?????

what brand flavors are you using. i hear each brand has it's own taste????

Sounds nice, just need a little more info..

thanks

 

[Smoky Blue]

You may want to change the name of the thread. If you're discussing layering flavors, it's really about using different flavors to enhance and build a more complex experience.


^ you may want to change it to how you describe it here.


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i think it is fine like it is.. layers can be used for all sorts of things, RP.. and we do have a lot of new people that might even think it's even more than what has been posted.. I wanted to make a spot to talk about doing just that.. layers.. what kind, how to determine, what is the goal and how to make them..

Well of course I did but I gotta get more flavors to do so...I have to get all those strawberries and bananas to try to figure it out for my papa in law...but I'll probably have many failures for a bit and have to vape them all standalone first for my brain to formulate how to layer them. And then maybe certain ones won't work as well as others do together so it'll be my grand experience. Getting some flavors after Christmas! I'll let ya know

okies off the cuff on first cupa coffee.. Dainta.. try this..


2% Strawberry fa
1% Strawberry fe
.25% Raspberry Sweet tfa
1.5% Ripe Banana tfa

then add 1 drop of lemon juice per 10ml

now what I did here.. by using the 2 strawberries.. is i made one the "leader" the fa strawberry is like a real strawberry with a tiny bit of green..
that is what i picked up from it.. the other strawberry is like eating one that is right on the cusp of juicy ripeness.. Sure, i could have added more companies to this.. but it's not needed
the raspberry sweet is to give them both a "pop" or zest..
while ripe banana is used as a back ground type flavor to add body and to be tasted last on the exhale.. since it comes out lower than the strawberries..

make a bit of sense??

I'm not so strict with my juice mixing. I use syringes for my Nic, but I use drops for my flavors.

I just mixed on tonight that is different, but tasty.
30 blueberry
15 vanilla
15 wintergreen
10% flavor total in a 30ml bottle. The wintergreen is in the very back. Blueberry up front. Between the two you get a rich vanilla. I'm out of French vanilla, but it may taste even better.

i wont get into drops atm.. but a small hint, i do not like them, at all..
if i had to count drops on a gallon, i'd be lost after 10
my coffee is about gone lmao.. @Iamme

always put your flavor companies name on your recipes, or everyone will ask what company it's from..
and make sure it is the right company or they will ask that too..

off for more coffee.. good morning!

 

[RocketPuppy]

I think more info is always appreciated and necessary, but I'm also interested in making sure that the info is precise and accurate, especially if people new to diy are reading. Layering flavors is an important part in creating a recipe, whether eliquid or food, with more depth and interest, but adding different types of one flavor doesn't characterize layering. I mean no disrespect, but it's important for information to be precise, especially when so many people have access to the content.


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[RocketPuppy]

Think of it on a simple level, like making a lasagna. You build on different layers, where each additional ingredient is used to enhance the other.


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[Smoky Blue]

Layering flavors is an important part in creating a recipe, whether eliquid or food, with more depth and interest, but adding different types of one flavor doesn't characterize layering. I mean no disrespect, but it's important for information to be precise, especially when so many people have access to the content.


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let's stick with this bit..

this is where we go in different directions.. and keep in mind, taste is subjective, and this is diy

actually, it does..

HIC's example of a sweet and tart apple.. it does pick out a layering, and gives a bit of depth, while changing the apple to both sweet and tart.

 

[Smoky Blue]

Think of it on a simple level, like making a lasagna. You build on different layers, where each additional ingredient is used to enhance the other.


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right..
however.. while there are many different ways one can layer, it is up to the mixer to figure out what the goals they want, and how best to achieve that.

 

[Iamme]

Are the numbers up top, the number of drops and if so what are you using as a dropper?????

what brand flavors are you using. i hear each brand has it's own taste????

Sounds nice, just need a little more info..

thanks

Ya, that is drops. I drip it out of the bottles it comes in. The flavors are tfa.
You cans substitute the vanilla for absinthe, but only use 5 drops and split the other 10 between the blueberry and wintergreen.

 

[Smoky Blue]

Look at it this way, RP.. you make lasagna, and i do.. will they be the same?
unless we both use the same recipe, shop at the same place, and cook it the same way.. no..

but it still will come out lasagna..

 

[Ld3441]

I think more info is always appreciated and necessary, but I'm also interested in making sure that the info is precise and accurate, especially if people new to diy are reading. Layering flavors is an important part in creating a recipe, whether eliquid or food, with more depth and interest, but adding different types of one flavor doesn't characterize layering. I mean no disrespect, but it's important for information to be precise, especially when so many people have access to the content.


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How can it be precise and accurate when taste is subjective?
I think both of you are right and neither is wrong.
Just because you see things different doesn't make the other wrong.

 

[Iamme]

i think it is fine like it is.. layers can be used for all sorts of things, RP.. and we do have a lot of new people that might even think it's even more than what has been posted.. I wanted to make a spot to talk about doing just that.. layers.. what kind, how to determine, what is the goal and how to make them..




okies off the cuff on first cupa coffee.. Dainta.. try this..


2% Strawberry fa
1% Strawberry fe
.25% Raspberry Sweet tfa
1.5% Ripe Banana tfa

then add 1 drop of lemon juice per 10ml

now what I did here.. by using the 2 strawberries.. is i made one the "leader" the fa strawberry is like a real strawberry with a tiny bit of green..
that is what i picked up from it.. the other strawberry is like eating one that is right on the cusp of juicy ripeness.. Sure, i could have added more companies to this.. but it's not needed
the raspberry sweet is to give them both a "pop" or zest..
while ripe banana is used as a back ground type flavor to add body and to be tasted last on the exhale.. since it comes out lower than the strawberries..

make a bit of sense??



i wont get into drops atm.. but a small hint, i do not like them, at all..
if i had to count drops on a gallon, i'd be lost after 10
my coffee is about gone lmao.. @Iamme

always put your flavor companies name on your recipes, or everyone will ask what company it's from..
and make sure it is the right company or they will ask that too..

off for more coffee.. good morning!

Lol, I mix 30ml at a time. If I were mixing a gallon rest assured they would be converted to a percentage. I mixed for other people in the past. I measured theirs. For me, well, it tastes the same everytime so it is easier than dirtying 6 syringes. If I mixed for a shop or in large quantity's drops would not be an option.


I mix for the mood I'm in as well, if I make peach strawberry menthool some days I throw in a few extra peach or more menthol.

 

[RocketPuppy]

The perception of taste is subjective, and I'm have no qualms with that.

My response is solely to the term layering. You have good ideas and info, but the term to which you're referring is different.


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[Smoky Blue]

and i never said anyone in this thread was wrong..
my purpose is to show there are many ways of achieving one's desired effect by using what it takes to get their juice the way they want..

and i still refuse to talk about drops lol..

 

[Smoky Blue]

The perception of taste is subjective, and I'm have no qualms with that.

My response is solely to the term layering. You have good ideas and info, but the term to which you're referring is different.


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how so?? perhaps if you explain..

i see layers in just about everything.. even a base mix is a layer of nic, vg and pg..
what ever one uses as base.. even a single flavor has layers.. some just are not so well perceived.

 

[Ld3441]

I think it is getting a bit nitpicky and not what this thread was meant to be.
Chill people and there is not going to be a test on this so proper terms are not required.

 

[Smoky Blue]

i feel the same way, LD.. *shrugs..
i meant this thread as somewhere to learn.. to share and have a bit of fun.. eh..

 

[RocketPuppy]

I do really want to discus this, but I need to get ready for work. It's 6am here =( and if I don't hop in the shower, I'll be a zombie. Sorry for posting and dashing, but I must.

Btw...I agree that there are many ways to achieve a desired effect. I was focused just on the definition of the word.


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[Daintanee]

i think it is fine like it is.. layers can be used for all sorts of things, RP.. and we do have a lot of new people that might even think it's even more than what has been posted.. I wanted to make a spot to talk about doing just that.. layers.. what kind, how to determine, what is the goal and how to make them..




okies off the cuff on first cupa coffee.. Dainta.. try this..


2% Strawberry fa
1% Strawberry fe
.25% Raspberry Sweet tfa
1.5% Ripe Banana tfa

then add 1 drop of lemon juice per 10ml

now what I did here.. by using the 2 strawberries.. is i made one the "leader" the fa strawberry is like a real strawberry with a tiny bit of green..
that is what i picked up from it.. the other strawberry is like eating one that is right on the cusp of juicy ripeness.. Sure, i could have added more companies to this.. but it's not needed
the raspberry sweet is to give them both a "pop" or zest..
while ripe banana is used as a back ground type flavor to add body and to be tasted last on the exhale.. since it comes out lower than the strawberries..

make a bit of sense??



i wont get into drops atm.. but a small hint, i do not like them, at all..
if i had to count drops on a gallon, i'd be lost after 10
my coffee is about gone lmao.. @Iamme

always put your flavor companies name on your recipes, or everyone will ask what company it's from..
and make sure it is the right company or they will ask that too..

off for more coffee.. good morning!

Thanks Smokey! I do see what everyone is saying and meaning. Not a morning person. I know I can't use that banana...plastic tank cracker, but will try out the strawberries....working with fa banana possibly Fuji or walnut to boost banana...thank you for a starting point on flavoring and %! Need more coffee!!!