Squonkers are Bonkers

[voicenyerhed]

With squonk setups there's a bit of give and take. Traditional squonk rda types have either a flat deck or slightly concave with a very shallow juice well that allows the excess juice to drain back in the bottle thus eliminating spills (mostly, not talking about over squonking which we all do to some degree), but you have to squonk more often. On the other hand, you don't have to drip at all and that is a plus, especially while driving (don't ask how I found that out). If you like the drip tip, a couple of wraps of dental floss under the o-ring will take up the wiggle room.

I will definitely give the dental floss a try. Cheers!

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[JuicyLucy]

you don't have to drip at all and that is a plus,

To me, that is the point of squonking - no dripping

Kinda like me and Mr Juicy when it comes to which is better, the book or the movie. I always like the book better, because it was more engaging. He likes the movie better because: NO READING

 

[chohan]

With squonk setups there's a bit of give and take. Traditional squonk rda types have either a flat deck or slightly concave with a very shallow juice well that allows the excess juice to drain back in the bottle thus eliminating spills (mostly, not talking about over squonking which we all do to some degree), but you have to squonk more often. On the other hand, you don't have to drip at all and that is a plus, especially while driving (don't ask how I found that out). If you like the drip tip, a couple of wraps of dental floss under the o-ring will take up the wiggle room.

The dental floss trick might not be workable if he's using the 810 tip. I don't think it has an o-ring on the tip, it's on the inside of cap. Maybe try tucking the floss under the o-ring rather than wrapping around a nonexistent groove in the tip. Might not work but worth a try?.

Edit.. on rereading, maybe you're talking about floss on the tfv8 tip.. ?

 

[BrewBear]

The dental floss trick might not be workable if he's using the 810 tip. I don't think it has an o-ring on the tip, it's on the inside of cap. Maybe try tucking the floss under the o-ring rather than wrapping around a nonexistent groove in the tip. Might not work but worth a try?.

Edit.. on rereading, maybe you're talking about floss on the tfv8 tip.. ?

It was more of a general suggestion since I'm not familiar with that particular rda....what do I know, today was a long week for meAnd yes, your suggestion will most likely work better.

 

[chohan]

It was more of a general suggestion since I'm not familiar with that particular rda....what do I know, today was a long week for meAnd yes, your suggestion will most likely work better.

Aye, long week but I doubt my suggestion is better. The 810 tip on my DRsq was loose as a goose plus it was purple, grrr. I ended up ordering a couple green ones from FT or 3fvape and they were too tight. Had to work them down with sandpaper a bit at a time so it'd finally seat all the way down. Hard to believe they're still selling them with the loose tips, how hard is it to remake the tip just a hair bigger. Maybe they just said the hell with it... shoot the engineer and don't stop production.

 

[uansari1]

If you set your own custom TCR in one of the memory settings, M1, M2 or M3, and try 0.00096, 0.00111 or 0.00120 with your ss316L, you may find that it responds better than whatever default built-in TCR it is using for SS wire.

I find that the 0.00111 works well in the original Pico 75w on the stock firmware, and is on par with my DNA devices for ss316L wire from 'Master Of Clouds'...

I’ve tried everything...adjusting the tcr settings, different 24 and 26g SS round wires, space and contact coils, different attys, waiting several seconds between drags and chain vaping. In the end, with all of them I have the same issue on my Voopoo Too in SS TC mode. I’ll get a couple of good drags...and then I’ll go to take another drag and get no vapor. The mod is throwing 3-5 watts for some reason. I’ll let go of the button and immediately hit it again and suddenly it works again.

In contrast, my RSQs work fine in TC mode with the same exact builds and attys. I have yet to get a super low wattage hit in the RSQ. So I just use the Voopoo in power mode.

 

[jcash74]

Bonkers have dibs! a Dead Rabbit? I listed a black one w/red tip and for you mech fans out there, I listed a A+ S21 aka MetalHead.

 

[MyMagicMist]

I always like the book better, because it was more engaging.

Exactly. You the reader "fill in the blanks". I can write, the desk was a stately oak one and it retained its sheen even the darkened office, and then you can imagine how it would feel to stub a toe on such a desk. That also makes the reading of [insert scene here] ever more so personal and intimate. The writer/author gives you more freedom than what will ever be found in a film. Yes, you can see the same desk on a film but the desk on a film might not have a secret compartment where evidenced is stashed, or perhaps it's white oak and not the read oak you imagined.

That was part of H.P. Lovecraft's potency in being a master of horror. He could instill so much doubt about reality in a reader/ship. Once he was asked what his secret was to writing great horror. He explained it was what he never showed a reader.

He for example would write about the foul order coming from the oak desk, how the desk often made strange sounds. You might read about people who go into the office yet never leave. All the while your eyes gloss over as you start to notice the vase in the corner by the desk. Are they in cooperation? Does furniture actually embody the spirits of monstrous evil people? Yet a reader would never read the gory details of a cold forensics scene of dead bodies, merely that people never left the office.

I need some coffee. Please excuse my lapse in filling out a more detailed scene. It is too early for me here.

 

[Papachaz]

Having my morning coffee impatiently waiting for the mail. My berserker squonk rda is being delivered today. The weekend guy never gets here before two in the afternoon even though it says it was out for delivery at seven this morning. I guess I’m going to have to clean and rewick to make the time pass. My order from slowtech is finally showing that it cleared Beijing post office. Maybe I’ll get that order in the next two weeks.


Carpe Nidor

 

[fq06]

... 18650 will soon be a memory, the manufacturers all seem to be adapting to the superior 20700 cell. I'm glad, slightly thicker mod with a lot more punch from the battery.
RIP 18650 (~1995 - 2017) you had a good run.

 

[The Cromwell]

... 18650 will soon be a memory, the manufacturers all seem to be adapting to the superior 20700 cell. I'm glad, slightly thicker mod with a lot more punch from the battery.
RIP 18650 (~1995 - 2017) you had a good run.

Nope, too many uses for the 18650 outside of vaping and I have 20 years at minimum worth of 18650 mods
One does not HAVE to buy the 2xxxx mods.

I am not a follow the fashion vaper.
I like what I like.

 

[BrewBear]

Rumors of 18650's demise may be premature. Maybe the Vaping industry will adopt the 2xxxx battery, but most mods are still backwards compatible and 18650 flashlights are still huge.

 

[fq06]

Speaking in the vaping world, not laptops and other products. It's not at all about fashion or a fad, to me it is purely a performance decision.

Although you seem like a great guy, I don't think the manufacturers are all that concerned about how many 18650's you have . They will produce the products that sell to the majority. The majority is swaying to the 20700 because it truly is a superior cell.
For now they are including a 18650 condom but look at the new releases, they are just about all 20700 based mods... save your 18650 condoms, you are going to need them in the future.

I said it before, someone that vapes at low wattage will not get much advantage other than capacity but that is the minority vaper. The majority chucking clouds from a 80w+ subohm tank will see a large advantage from a single 20700 vs single 18650. Less so from a dual cell since the amp load is roughly 1/2 but still an advantage is there.

Let's see in another 6 months how many mods are designed around the 18650 form

 

[PoppaVic]

We are still using cells designed in the late 30's and 40's - I'm not worried about the 18650 disappearing in my lifetime.

New designs leaning toward the 2x700 are still moot - the cells are not earth shattering. That they include adapters is simply good marketing: current cells work fine, future 2x700 may get better.

 

[The Cromwell]

I said it before, someone that vapes at low wattage will not get much advantage other than capacity but that is the minority vaper. The majority chucking clouds from a 80w+ subohm tank

That is vapor statistics.
The vast majority of vapers in the world are lower wattage vapers.
I figure that the majority of vapers on VU vape under 80W as a regular thing.
And we are hobbyist vapers for the most part.

 

[Papachaz]

Why does it seem like the 3D printed squonk mods are twice the price? It’s the same materials only melted and squeezed through a little hole instead of injection molded. Less material actually because 3D printing is a honeycomb instead of solid like injection molding. I guess I could spend 300 bucks on a desk top 3D printer and start selling squonk mods for 50 bucks a piece.


Carpe Nidor

 

[PoppaVic]

Why does it seem like the 3D printed squonk mods are twice the price?
:
Carpe Nidor

I presume: 1) Slow production speed; 2) Because They Can.

I know that injection-molding is a huge investment in the form-blocks, (which requires a whole industry and CNC to manufacture those). But, yeah: #2 seems to be the overwhelmingly common reason.

 

[fq06]

That is vapor statistics.
The vast majority of vapers in the world are lower wattage vapers.
I figure that the majority of vapers on VU vape under 80W as a regular thing.
And we are hobbyist vapers for the most part.

You can count jull and other tootle puffer products but a lot of people in this forum and that I know start with tootle puffers and move on to a more robust setup. Observing the vapers I see in public, a majority use a subohm tank. My observation differs from yours but that's ok, we can just look at what is being released and that is what the majority is buying... 20700. Manufacturers are not producing 20700 mods because they are not selling well.

I vape around 45w and notice a large difference in a mech, less so in TC since you can punch it up to 75w or whatever and set your temp but that initial ramp up (less voltage sag) in a mech is faster and the overall vape more satisfying, same 0.35 fat coil build 18650 vs 20700.

 

[BrewBear]

You can count jull and other toootle puffer products but a lot of people in this forum and that I know start with tootle puffers and move on to a more robust setup. Observing the vapers I see in public, a majority use a subohm tank. My observation differs from yours but that's ok, we can just look at what is being released and that is what the majority is buying... 20700. Manufacturers are not producing 20700 mods because they are not selling well.

I vape around 45w and notice a large difference in a mech, less so in TC since you can punch it up to 75w or whatever and set your temp but that initial ramp up (less voltage sag) in a mech is faster and the overall vape more satisfying, same 0.35 fat coil build 18650 vs 20700.

Allright, we got it! You're thrilled with 2x700 batteries. More power to you.
Now ,do you have any earthshattering news in squonking (besides the batteries )?

 

[Papachaz]

I presume: 1) Slow production speed; 2) Because They Can.

I know that injection-molding is a huge investment in the form-blocks, (which requires a whole industry and CNC to manufacture those). But, yeah: #2 seems to be the overwhelmingly common reason.

Yeah I guess it’s a novelty thing being able to say your mod was printed. I’m a cheapskate so I’d rather say my mod only cost ten bucks and you can’t tell the difference between the two unless you cut them open.


Carpe Nidor

 

[fq06]

Allright, we got it! You're thrilled with 2x700 batteries. More power to you.
Now ,do you have any earthshattering news in squonking (besides the batteries )?

No, just wanted to pop in with a comment since there was so much talk about pico and other 20700 mods. Just reminded me of my comment from a few months ago.

Squonking related, I have been in love with my 20700 dna 75c Orca and have not been on the hunt for any other mods so I haven't been very active in the bonkers thread.

Kinda like when you find and marry the perfect woman, you have no interest in other women (other than the really hot ones that you may sneak a peek at )

 

[~Don~]

So little update to the Luxotic bottles in the Pico...as feared...and after a few bottles worth of juice...it leaks.

So I added the tiny bit of shrink tube as I did with the MM Bottle on the other Pico and so far no leaking... I'll report after a few more bottles. ( I don't see it leaking over time...the other one I did this to hasn't leaked at all and its been weeks since I added the shrink tubing sliver)

Downside... have to use a refill bottle with the Pico after you add the shrink tubing to the plug-stop...well you don't have to...but its a tad easier.

Or you could be like Crommy and just be content with the stock bottles

 

[The Cromwell]

Dean and Todd were recently discussing 2XXXX batteries in mechs and spoke of a voltage falloff fairly soon in them compared to a good 18650.
Started out really nice but then declined... I think in the latest Vaping biker Monday Vlog.
Now some of the latest 2XXXX cells are better I hear.
At close to $20 a pop.
vs $5-6 for a VTC5A.

And as to mod makers making 2XXXX mods.
They just play on the bigger is better mindset and newer must be better thing to sell more mods. That is what they do. Smok however just makes mods that die sooner vs later so they can sell more
How did that 26650 thing go?
They made several of them for a while...

 

[Train]

20700 hasn't gotten anywhere near a tipping point of "mainstream".
They might disappear entirely in a year, in favor of some new shape, size, or tech.
21700's are guaranteed a little life...you can always crack open your Tesla, and pull out a few thousand cells.
18650's...well, there are billions of them.
Yes, mod-makers have a little surge/trend going. How long do vaping trends last?? I can show you bucket-fulls of vaping trends...

 

[PoppaVic]

I'm sorta' suprised that it seems no one has popped-open a Pico Squeeze and simply dismantled the Proprietary Bottle garbage. I saw some pics that suggest it is non-trivial, but surely someone has done so or plans to.

A video of it would likely be interesting..

 

[fq06]

Dean and Todd were recently discussing 2XXXX batteries in mechs and spoke of a voltage falloff fairly soon in them compared to a good 18650.
Started out really nice but then declined... I think in the latest Vaping biker Monday Vlog.
Now some of the latest 2XXXX cells are better I hear.
At close to $20 a pop.
vs $5-6 for a VTC5A.

And as to mod makers making 2XXXX mods.
They just play on the bigger is better mindset and newer must be better thing to sell more mods. That is what they do. Smok however just makes mods that die sooner vs later so they can sell more
How did that 26650 thing go?
They made several of them for a while...

Yeah, there are some 20700's that are worse than a good 18650 but I picked up a 5 leg 20700 to start with and that has surpassed any 18650 I've had including vtc5a. Now vapcell is rewrapping sanyo's that are 3100 mah+ at 30 to 35 amp constant, mooch approved. Just got the 30a gold/black this week and it does have a little more energy than the 5 leg ijoy I have.

Under 20a, you may not see that much of a difference besides capacity (even 3000 mah 18650 vs 3000 mah 20700 due to less sag) but those of us that vape higher wattage will appreciate the performance from a $15 20700 that you buy once a year or two. That really is not pushing any vapers budget.

 

[JuicyLucy]

At brand X Forum:

Selling: Stabwood Limelight Freehand S and high end squonk flavor atties

Condition: Good

Known flaws: All are in what I would call 9 out of 10 condition, all have been used and show minor wear but no scratches or dings that I can see.

Image:

Description:
Limelight stabwood Freehand S, from a block of Arizona Ironwood sourced by myself and sent to Dejan for the mod. Full mech with the flat Piezo 510, frosted switch and a matte finish. Will include a spare frosted switch, matching 18-24 mm beauty ring and original packaging, I can not find the black pouch however. $400.00 shipped priority and fully insured.

Haku Cruiser 22 mm RDA with additional black ultem cap. $125.00 shipped

Jazz 22mm RDA with black stubby drip tip insert. Used once only. $135 shipped

Crafters Den 22 mm Pocket RDA with additional black ultem cap. $135.00 shipped.

Please feel free to ask if you would like additional pictures or information. My schedule is pretty crazy but should be able to get anything out by Monday. I am not interested in any trades. Thank you for looking!

Willing to ship to: CONUS

I reside in: US
Other:

 

[PoppaVic]

Must be nice to be that wealthy.

 

[BrewBear]

At brand X Forum:

Selling: Stabwood Limelight Freehand S and high end squonk flavor atties

Condition: Good

Known flaws: All are in what I would call 9 out of 10 condition, all have been used and show minor wear but no scratches or dings that I can see.

Image:

Description:
Limelight stabwood Freehand S, from a block of Arizona Ironwood sourced by myself and sent to Dejan for the mod. Full mech with the flat Piezo 510, frosted switch and a matte finish. Will include a spare frosted switch, matching 18-24 mm beauty ring and original packaging, I can not find the black pouch however. $400.00 shipped priority and fully insured.

Haku Cruiser 22 mm RDA with additional black ultem cap. $125.00 shipped

Jazz 22mm RDA with black stubby drip tip insert. Used once only. $135 shipped

Crafters Den 22 mm Pocket RDA with additional black ultem cap. $135.00 shipped.

Please feel free to ask if you would like additional pictures or information. My schedule is pretty crazy but should be able to get anything out by Monday. I am not interested in any trades. Thank you for looking!

Willing to ship to: CONUS

I reside in: US
Other:

It's been there since yesterday, not much interest?

 

[fq06]

20700 hasn't gotten anywhere near a tipping point of "mainstream".
They might disappear entirely in a year, in favor of some new shape, size, or tech.
21700's are guaranteed a little life...you can always crack open your Tesla, and pull out a few thousand cells.
18650's...well, there are billions of them.
Yes, mod-makers have a little surge/trend going. How long do vaping trends last?? I can show you bucket-fulls of vaping trends...

I still have a hohm slice with a hohm grown 26650 and I think that cells performance is terrific but the size factor of the 20700 is much better to build a mod around. But yeah, the 26650 died out.

If another size cell out performs the 20700 in the future, I am open to switching to it. I am not closed minded to new technology. And I wouldn't call this a trend, I think spinners at the base of your topper or led's that light up a tank is a trend. I think the 20700 is progress, not trend.

I too have much in the vape graveyard box like the Ovale Elips, Odysseus or the pro tank, pro tank2, Orchid... they were great for their time.

 

[PoppaVic]

It's only "progress" if it's an improvement. Very little 2x700 is an "improvement" - at best it has potential.

And, the 26650 is still around - it was another Promised Land,

/NEXT

 

[fq06]

It's only "progress" if it's an improvement. Very little 2x700 is an "improvement" - at best it has potential.

And, the 26650 is still around - it was another Promised Land,

/NEXT

Then you haven't tried a good 20700 in a mech pushing a 0.35 or lower fatty coil or you wouldn't say that.

Agree... next topic

 

[Papachaz]

Ok switching topics. Vape mail came in! The berserker mtl squonk rda. So many airflow options this one is going to take some time to test out fully.

Carpe Nidor

 

[~Don~]

I'd do a 21700 mod since 30Ts are available now...but I wouldn't do 20700 (Mech) again with the ijoy 5 legs. Just my experience with them is why I base my judgement.

I built an Orca 2x700 with Silver internals, and my Molly with Copper and the Molly with my 5As hit harder (DMM at the terminal posts) using the same RSA as reference...Constantly hitting fresh at about 3.6v'ish where my 5As were always hitting 3.79v+ Fresh...

I am sure there are better 20700's than the ijoy 5 legs, but it was my first impression with 20700's and for me it fell a tad flat...wasn't worth the investment nor chase for better batteries to mimic what I already have (had) with my 5A's.

So I sold the Orca, kept the batteries ( maybe down the line I'll get a regulated that will utilize them *shrug*)

Now, again I will reiterate... I'd for sure get 30T's, especially in a mech...but I am not sure if I want to chase a mod that will hit the things I need/want in a mech...Silver and be a squonk ($18 a battery, would need at least 6 batteries...New mod )

Now with the 6A's coming down the pipeline with more mAh and better performance than the 5A's and still in 18650 form factor...to me it will be a hard sell to invest in 2x700's again.

Just my humble opinion.

Side note: I do appreciate mod makers, China and or Artisan having both 18650-21700 usable in their mods...just haven't come across one that looks good to me.

 

[JuicyLucy]

I'd do a 21700 mod since 30Ts are available now...but I wouldn't do 20700 (Mech) again with the ijoy 5 legs. Just my experience with them is why I base my judgement.

I built an Orca 2x700 with Silver internals, and my Molly with Copper and the Molly with my 5As hit harder (DMM at the terminal posts) using the same RSA as reference...Constantly hitting fresh at about 3.6v'ish where my 5As were always hitting 3.79v+ Fresh...

I am sure there are better 20700's than the ijoy 5 legs, but it was my first impression with 20700's and for me it fell a tad flat...wasn't worth the investment nor chase for better batteries to mimic what I already have (had) with my 5A's.

So I sold the Orca, kept the batteries ( maybe down the line I'll get a regulated that will utilize them *shrug*)

Now, again I will reiterate... I'd for sure get 30T's, especially in a mech...but I am not sure if I want to chase a mod that will hit the things I need/want in a mech...Silver and be a squonk ($18 a battery, would need at least 6 batteries...New mod )

Now with the 6A's coming down the pipeline with more mAh and better performance than the 5A's and still in 18650 form factor...to me it will be a hard sell to invest in 2x700's again.

Just my humble opinion.

Side note: I do appreciate mod makers, China and or Artisan having both 18650-21700 usable in their mods...just haven't come across one that looks good to me.

I'm kinda in the same mindset - plus I'm so highly invested in 18650 mods that I'd literally have to be in a situation where safe 18650s are just flat out unavailable before I'd switch to what is currently available

 

[~Don~]

I'm kinda in the same mindset - plus I'm so highly invested in 18650 mods that I'd literally have to be in a situation where safe 18650s are just flat out unavailable before I'd switch to what is currently available

My goodness, you swapping would be really weird... 43 mods?

Here I am with only 5 mods and I think 24 5As and thinking the investment is to large

 

[raineysky]

Yeah, the bang vs buck just ain't there yet unless the 21700 mod was something you fancied a lot....On another note....I got the black Luxotic and have been putting in through the paces. First thing I did was to take that bottom magnet piece off and put it back in the box. It moved too much. I like the fire button but I accidently hit it all the time because it sticks out and is very sensitive. Been squonking with the Wasp and the little juice bottle doesn't last no time. Don't think the Luxotic will be staying in the rotation

 

[Wicked Gene]

Anyone know if a 21700 will fit in the dot squonk?


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[fq06]

I'm kinda in the same mindset - plus I'm so highly invested in 18650 mods that I'd literally have to be in a situation where safe 18650s are just flat out unavailable before I'd switch to what is currently available

Guess if I had that many 18650 mods it would be hard to switch. But then again, I haven't touched any of my 18650 mods since going to 20700 so after a while I think I will be piffing or selling all but the hohm slice (dreaming of a slice squonk). If I had 43 18650 mods, it would be sad to see them go but I think they would go (other than unobtanium 18650 mods I suppose).

 

[~Don~]

Anyone know if a 21700 will fit in the dot squonk?


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Get a ruler or something flat to go across the mods edge...if it looks like it has 1.25mm+ of room ( battery wrap tolerance ), I'd have to assume it would fit a 21700.

 

[fq06]

Anyone know if a 21700 will fit in the dot squonk?


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No but from experience, if a 20700 is a tight fit in a mod designed for 20700 then a 21700 will not fit. But the vapcell sanyo rewraps are pushing 30 amps with 3000 mah now so you don't really need to hunt down a strong 21700.

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...rately-rated-a-sanyo-ncr20700a-rewrap.837069/

Edit... ahhhh, socal... width, not height. Makes sense

 

[R3alJim Shady]

I've got a couple of 2x700 mods and I'm very happy with them. I have two Vapcell 3750 mah that are rewrapped Golisi S35s. I use them in my mech squonk and they hit harder for longer than any 18650 I've tried.

I also have two iJoy 21700 3500mah that I use in my regulated model. Love the performance of both and the extended battery life.

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[The Cromwell]

Under 20a, you may not see that much of a difference besides capacity (even 3000 mah 18650 vs 3000 mah 20700 due to less sag) but those of us that vape higher wattage will appreciate the performance from a $15 20700 that you buy once a year or two. That really is not pushing any vapers budget.

With many dual battery mods one will have almost as much in a pair of 21700's as they do in the mod and one knows that you must have at least 2 pairs.
The most I have paid for a mod was around $40.

posted by a cheap assed vaper.

 

[~Don~]

I am really enjoying this Chi-NarDa on the Pico Must resist buying an...

Back to boobtube


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[BrewBear]

I am really enjoying this Chi-NarDa on the Pico Must resist buying an...

Back to boobtube


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I got the Coppervape NarDa on the Pico (used a thin slice of silicone tubing to allow the bf pin to protrude a bit more). Glad I have another NarDa NIB and three more Pico squeeze arrive early next week. ...hopefully.

 

[~Don~]

For you MTL'rs

E-Phoenix


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[~Don~]

I got the Coppervape NarDa on the Pico (used a thin slice of silicone tubing to allow the bf pin to protrude a bit more). Glad I have another NarDa NIB and three more Pico squeeze arrive early next week. ...hopefully.

Not sure which one I got from FT...works on both picos (red and white ring )

Thought about grabbing some larger screws to trap wire better, but installed a nice fused Clapton and just peeled back the wrap and split the cores around the existing screws.


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[JuicyLucy]

For you MTL'rs

E-Phoenix


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[Train]

Yep - I still have a Protank "new in box" lol.
And some of the most fantastic (pricey) carto-tanks ever made!

What I meant about the mainstream tipping point holds true whether vaping stick with the size or not. Even if ALL box mod vapers wanted 20700's, I don't think that's enough for battery companies to keep making them. If a new battery type becomes standard for battery paks in laptops and power tools and such, then that will be what we have available. That, and 18650's...for a good while.

Note: Surprisingly, though the Gigafactory is cranking out Panasonic 2170's, Elon Musk has said that they will not be used in the model S and X. So those convenient volume discount 18650 packs (5,376 cells or 7,104 cells) will remain available, lol.

I still have a hohm slice with a hohm grown 26650 and I think that cells performance is terrific but the size factor of the 20700 is much better to build a mod around. But yeah, the 26650 died out.

If another size cell out performs the 20700 in the future, I am open to switching to it. I am not closed minded to new technology. And I wouldn't call this a trend, I think spinners at the base of your topper or led's that light up a tank is a trend. I think the 20700 is progress, not trend.

I too have much in the vape graveyard box like the Ovale Elips, Odysseus or the pro tank, pro tank2, Orchid... they were great for their time.

 

[Mykreign]

Got the wasps today. they're so little!

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