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Ipv d2 or vtc mini
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The VTC Mini. Maybe by a hair.
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Give me until next week, I'll have both to judge. And the Sigelei 75.
At this point I paid $55 for the D2 and $56 for the VTC. For that much more the VTC had better be made out of gold
(D2 came with a battery, silicone sleeve and battery door wrap, VTC comes with eGo One.)
At this point I paid $55 for the D2 and $56 for the VTC. For that much more the VTC had better be made out of gold
(D2 came with a battery, silicone sleeve and battery door wrap, VTC comes with eGo One.)
Unless something doesn't work right on the VTC or the buttons are too easy to butt dial I expect it to be a wash for me.
One not coming with the rebuildable deck doesn't impress me.
If you hate D2's barrel plug for charging VTC has micro USB. VTC is supposed to be updatable, D2 isn't. If you want to swap out batteries instead of charging in mod VTC looks better from the pictures. If I had to pay the price I've seen some talking about the VTC would be way overpriced.
One not coming with the rebuildable deck doesn't impress me.
If you hate D2's barrel plug for charging VTC has micro USB. VTC is supposed to be updatable, D2 isn't. If you want to swap out batteries instead of charging in mod VTC looks better from the pictures. If I had to pay the price I've seen some talking about the VTC would be way overpriced.
VTC will arrive Monday, for me the VTC much better without having yet but the VT menu much better and enter TC for me. The VTC looks like improved menu over VT. D2 is great device, drives me nuts switching tanks all the time and making changes in menu, but when dialed in good to go. Also waiting on Tesla 80w mini, seems very interesting. All are great devices. Also case on D2 kind of pain if you can't remember the special charger and swapping batteries a few times a day.
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Hi everyone, first post here. I just picked up the D2 and its a great little device. I was choosing between that and the VTC and I made my decision based on a few things but it really came down to not needing another atty I need to buy heads for. The size and weight are super comfortable and the skin it comes with has a matte finish, grippy and really shows off the sleek modern looking design. It can be annoying to have to slip it on and off when you switch batteries but the paint on the actual device feels a little slick and other reviewers say that it chips easily. Wattage mode works perfectly and TC on my mini freak show with a .08 parallel nickel build made me see the light about TC all together. I did however finish my 7th tank of juice on my my sub tank mini with a nickel head and was getting a slight burnt taste before the tank was empty. Next up is a nickel build on my lemo 2 but the kanthal build on it now is hitting so well that I kind of want to enjoy it for a bit longer before I start experimenting. The menu on the D2 isn't really intuitive to navigate but the learning curve is pretty quick. Scrolling can a little difficult as it goes into hyper speed and I always seem to miss my target but it's not that big of deal once your used to it. One interesting thing is that you need to access a separate screen to set the temperature and then you adjust the joules while vaping which isn't really convenient if you are like me and change your preference for a cool or warm vape depending on your juice/mood. It does however become really consistent if you set it a high temp/lower joules which is nice to be able to dial in on the main screen. The resistance jumps around on the screen even after its set but I watched a reviewer test it and he showed that it still fires at the correct resistance and I haven't noticed any issues...unless that's what was going on with my kst. Overall I am extremely happy with this mod though I may regret not being able to upgrade the firmware but I figure by the time I need an upgrade I'll bite the bullet and pick up the sx mini.
You all seem like a great community, thanks for letting me post!
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I love my 50w Istick it was the device that finally got me off of cigarettes completely and has held up tremendously to the amount of use and beating it has received at my heavy construction job. It feels comfortable and I could only hope to get half the use out of either of these devices since they were cheaper. The only thing I have left to decide is which one gets the promotion to my adv once the inevitable death of my istick... Any one have any opinions on that?
Finally someone besides me says it. I really only have a problem pressing the two buttons at once. Firing and adjusting one handed is easier than having to jump over the screen on the IPV4. Sometimes I can easily press both at once with my thumb, sometimes I can lay a finger across them, on days both of those fail and I have to get two fingers in there it's a real pain.
Throwing 75wTC in just because I got it today too.
VTC..........D2..........Sigelei 75wTC weights
162g.........176g............216g..........with Samsung battery
119g.........133g............173g..........mod only
My first thought is on the Sigelei. WTF???
Why in hell were people recommending this crap? It has no Ti mode! What, because they can put Ti in it and turn the temperature to a different unknown setting? Utter fanboy bullshit if you ask me.
And that's as far as I'm going to get for a while. Luckily I'm not completely afraid of nickel, just a little leery. I can't compare it's vape to the other two because I'd be stabbing around in the dark until I build a Ni coil and even then I'd be comparing apples to oranges.
Feels boxy in the hand but it's not so large where that's a problem. Balances well with a SubTank. Comes with an ugly as sin clear silicone sleeve. Getting the battery out is stupid, no pull tab. So you either beat it out or take the other side off and push it out. Can't get an exact setting, the process of changing what you set sets it. If you're anal and don't want your temperature 1° off or wattage .1w off it will annoy you.
All in all I'd say until/if they upgrade this with a Ti setting it's complete garbage unless you like nickel or are willing to guess at what temperature you're using.
VTC
Feels good, again boxy but small enough that's OK. At first locked in high (using my IVP4 and knowing the amount of wire I used, more on that under D2). After it sat a while it read right so I relocked it. No backing down on the power for TC, so if you go over you need to go all the way around again.
Has a pull tab. If you want to swap batteries to charge this is the one for you. Temperature sets in tens which I really like, I have yet to hit a flavor that needs 1°. 5° might be better.
Vaping in TC. The wattage setting seems more powerful than D2's joules.
Seems to give a warning when you get close to your set temperature. I tried causing a dry coil and that's all it did, no different dry coil warning.
The manual says if you go over 1Ω it automatically changes you to VW mode. It says it automatically changes to VW if you use kanthal for 2 seconds.
Charging port on the side.
D2
Feels great but small for large hands. Harder to get to temperature adjust but easier to set it exactly where you want it. All 3 of these fly by so this is pretty important unless close enough is good enough or you like clicking.
D2 locks in lower than my IPV4. This makes it hit cooler. Can get around this by warming it up and locking it in until it hits the resistance.
The joules setting seems to get you to temperature faster. Too high of joules and it rattlesnakes. Too low it never gets to temperature.
Battery door can be loose, can be squeezed to tighten up. Battery connection is cheap and would be safer to charge this in the mod. Charging cord is a barrel connector, not propriety but you don't have a dozen laying around like micro USB.
Gets you to your temperature and stays there. Tells you when your coil is dry.
Charging port on the bottom.
D2 vs VTC
VTC is a harder hit, same temperature, maxed watts, changing watts changes the hit even though it's hitting temperature. IVPs are the same mild hit from 30J-50J, the only difference is the rattlesnake when it's higher than it needs to be.
Both have their own annoyances. Digging down to temperature adjust for D2, no backing down watts for VTC. Both scroll super fast.
VTC has more bells and whistles and is upgradeable if there should be a problem.
Both my D2's lock in the same. The VTC locks in where my IVP4 does. I tend to agree with the IVP4 although we're talking such minor amounts of resistance it's hard to say for sure. That small amount does effect the hit. When the VTC first locked in .05Ω high it was "OMG" stronger. When it cooled down in the AC to .35Ω it's closer to the IVP.
Deciding factors
If you want to change batteries, VTC
If you hate the idea of different charging cables, VTC
If you want harder hits, VTC wattage seems to do more than joules
If you want smooth hits, D2
If you hate microUSB (like I do), D2
D2 being rounded feels better
If you want more freedom for TiΩ than the 1Ω they you say you want, D2 (I have had a dual Ti come out where each had to be over 1Ω) at least according to the manual. I recall someone using TC mode with kanthal on D2 to force it to step down lower than it can in W mode. If the manual is right that is not possible with VTC. I'm not sure how low VTC can buck (I said it was a first impression, I don't have time to run it through all the paces and builds).
I voted for VTC based on "better" and "least amount of cons". D2 is bare bones and I possibly like it better than VTC but I'd say VTC wins both of those categories.
I've had my D2's for a while and am completely happy with them. I'm thinking I'll be completely happy with the VTC too.
Ignore the wrap on the D2, it's black.
VTC..........D2..........Sigelei 75wTC weights
162g.........176g............216g..........with Samsung battery
119g.........133g............173g..........mod only
My first thought is on the Sigelei. WTF???
Why in hell were people recommending this crap? It has no Ti mode! What, because they can put Ti in it and turn the temperature to a different unknown setting? Utter fanboy bullshit if you ask me.
And that's as far as I'm going to get for a while. Luckily I'm not completely afraid of nickel, just a little leery. I can't compare it's vape to the other two because I'd be stabbing around in the dark until I build a Ni coil and even then I'd be comparing apples to oranges.
Feels boxy in the hand but it's not so large where that's a problem. Balances well with a SubTank. Comes with an ugly as sin clear silicone sleeve. Getting the battery out is stupid, no pull tab. So you either beat it out or take the other side off and push it out. Can't get an exact setting, the process of changing what you set sets it. If you're anal and don't want your temperature 1° off or wattage .1w off it will annoy you.
All in all I'd say until/if they upgrade this with a Ti setting it's complete garbage unless you like nickel or are willing to guess at what temperature you're using.
VTC
Feels good, again boxy but small enough that's OK. At first locked in high (using my IVP4 and knowing the amount of wire I used, more on that under D2). After it sat a while it read right so I relocked it. No backing down on the power for TC, so if you go over you need to go all the way around again.
Has a pull tab. If you want to swap batteries to charge this is the one for you. Temperature sets in tens which I really like, I have yet to hit a flavor that needs 1°. 5° might be better.
Vaping in TC. The wattage setting seems more powerful than D2's joules.
Seems to give a warning when you get close to your set temperature. I tried causing a dry coil and that's all it did, no different dry coil warning.
The manual says if you go over 1Ω it automatically changes you to VW mode. It says it automatically changes to VW if you use kanthal for 2 seconds.
Charging port on the side.
D2
Feels great but small for large hands. Harder to get to temperature adjust but easier to set it exactly where you want it. All 3 of these fly by so this is pretty important unless close enough is good enough or you like clicking.
D2 locks in lower than my IPV4. This makes it hit cooler. Can get around this by warming it up and locking it in until it hits the resistance.
The joules setting seems to get you to temperature faster. Too high of joules and it rattlesnakes. Too low it never gets to temperature.
Battery door can be loose, can be squeezed to tighten up. Battery connection is cheap and would be safer to charge this in the mod. Charging cord is a barrel connector, not propriety but you don't have a dozen laying around like micro USB.
Gets you to your temperature and stays there. Tells you when your coil is dry.
Charging port on the bottom.
D2 vs VTC
VTC is a harder hit, same temperature, maxed watts, changing watts changes the hit even though it's hitting temperature. IVPs are the same mild hit from 30J-50J, the only difference is the rattlesnake when it's higher than it needs to be.
Both have their own annoyances. Digging down to temperature adjust for D2, no backing down watts for VTC. Both scroll super fast.
VTC has more bells and whistles and is upgradeable if there should be a problem.
Both my D2's lock in the same. The VTC locks in where my IVP4 does. I tend to agree with the IVP4 although we're talking such minor amounts of resistance it's hard to say for sure. That small amount does effect the hit. When the VTC first locked in .05Ω high it was "OMG" stronger. When it cooled down in the AC to .35Ω it's closer to the IVP.
Deciding factors
If you want to change batteries, VTC
If you hate the idea of different charging cables, VTC
If you want harder hits, VTC wattage seems to do more than joules
If you want smooth hits, D2
If you hate microUSB (like I do), D2
D2 being rounded feels better
If you want more freedom for TiΩ than the 1Ω they you say you want, D2 (I have had a dual Ti come out where each had to be over 1Ω) at least according to the manual. I recall someone using TC mode with kanthal on D2 to force it to step down lower than it can in W mode. If the manual is right that is not possible with VTC. I'm not sure how low VTC can buck (I said it was a first impression, I don't have time to run it through all the paces and builds).
I voted for VTC based on "better" and "least amount of cons". D2 is bare bones and I possibly like it better than VTC but I'd say VTC wins both of those categories.
I've had my D2's for a while and am completely happy with them. I'm thinking I'll be completely happy with the VTC too.
Ignore the wrap on the D2, it's black.
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So far eGo One totally sucks.
Bwahahaha, a problem probably limited to me. I just set VTC down in my bench pan. Picked it up with a whole bunch of tools and metal shavings attached
OK, magnetic battery doors sounded like a better idea than they are.
I think I'll be getting a Ti Sig 75w update long before you get a D2 V2.
Bwahahaha, a problem probably limited to me. I just set VTC down in my bench pan. Picked it up with a whole bunch of tools and metal shavings attached
OK, magnetic battery doors sounded like a better idea than they are.
I think I'll be getting a Ti Sig 75w update long before you get a D2 V2.
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The problem I was having with eGo One Mega may be a bug, or just a craptastic way of doing things.
It's similar to my first problem with it locking in too high. It just refuses to forget the last coil it had on it. Maybe there's something hidden in the Chingrish but I'm not seeing it. Somehow I also got an option to pick new coil or same coil. It basically did nothing though.
If you want to change atties often, D2.
It's similar to my first problem with it locking in too high. It just refuses to forget the last coil it had on it. Maybe there's something hidden in the Chingrish but I'm not seeing it. Somehow I also got an option to pick new coil or same coil. It basically did nothing though.
If you want to change atties often, D2.
That's what I've read. Won't have time to go down and see if a local has them and don't feel like paying shipping for a $5 head. There's another stupid problem with the eGo One, the head is sealed way up inside a shield, if it's not dry when you open it up liquid is running down the tube. Then whatever liquid doesn't run out on your bench runs back down and floods the coil.
But you can get matching Jwraps for the tank and mod, I'm thinking complete camo will look good.
The mod itself is good. It trying to do a lot of stuff automatically (that's how you get the option of new coil or old coil) is a pain sometimes.
I've heard great things about the Crown, but don't own one yet. It's on my list though, and you can get a build deck for it!
I think he was asking for an opinion on a rebuildable tank (like the Lemo 2) or one that uses pre-built coils (like the Crown) ...D2 don't give a shit.
-I shall henceforth think of mine as the Honey Badger... the tough little mod with bite.
If you want personal buying advice and you meant RDA, you should already own both... slacker.
It doesn't come with one, but there is an optional deck that you can buy for it...
I got the d2 and the vtc Mini since I found them both for 40 and I love my d2 with my black crown tank it looks sick I just want to get the rebuildable coils or deck so I can build it for tc , I honestly like both, but the crown is so much better then the ego mega but I can only do tc with my mega right now, but I definitely get bigger clouds with the mega on tc, but surprisingly the crown really never makes the vape get hot even after a longer 4to5 second hit.... The one thing I like better about the vtc is the menu it's easier tho navigate but neither give me a hit timer like my istick, the Vtc has a total hit timer but not an individual hit timer, but the battery and juice does go much further on Vtc in tc then the d2 with the crown in power mode, overall I'm happy with both and they both serve a niche.... Tc with the mini in the morning and night and d2 inn power during the day
No I meant like a tank with coils or a tank with a rebuildable deck , Dropped a make me wheeze and my asthma act up like out used to when I was smoking a pack a day+D2 don't give a shit.
-I shall henceforth think of mine as the Honey Badger... the tough little mod with bite.
If you want personal buying advice and you meant RDA, you should already own both... slacker.
I'm in love with my black crown on my d2 awesome look and amazing flavor with the ss coils and they stay pretty cool, was wondering if I could run them on tc tho. The d2 Will let me but I don't know if it's safe to do or what the implications might be for doing itI've heard great things about the Crown, but don't own one yet. It's on my list though, and you can get a build deck for it!
I own both and I strongly prefer the vtc mini. I prefer it because of the micro usb charger mostly, but I also like the screen, user interface, and the feel of it more. Having different cords everywhere drives me nuts. The D2 is shaped for comfort, but it's not really comfortable for me.
No I wish, when I bought my crown from avail it only came with 3 of the.25 coils, not sure why but was very disappointed about it
I like the tc mode ok the Vtc mini more because I don't have to lock the ohms, like the all blackout look on my d2 and crown with the silicon cover.
You do need to lock the ohms on the VTC. The adjustments and locking is much easier and simpler than the D2. If anyone is unhappy with their VTC, I will gladly trade you. Send me a message.
That is slick.
What? No way. You click two buttons the D2 is locked to whatever is on there at the time..
VTC you screw it on, it might read it, it might revert back to the old locked reading. If not you keep screwing and unscrewing until it doesn't give you the last reading. IF there is a big enough different it MIGHT ask you if it's a new coil or the old one.
And no you can't have it.
What? No way. You click two buttons the D2 is locked to whatever is on there at the time..
VTC you screw it on, it might read it, it might revert back to the old locked reading. If not you keep screwing and unscrewing until it doesn't give you the last reading. IF there is a big enough different it MIGHT ask you if it's a new coil or the old one.
And no you can't have it.
I'm not going to bore you with the specifics, but even a tiny difference in resistance drastically changes the accuracy of the temperature reading/ control. Telling it that you have a new atomizer installed is actually locking it, just in different words. There is a padlock icon that you turn on and off, and that also locks it. Regardless, it requires you to lock the resistance which is contrary to what you said. It's not automatic.
Also, I'd rather lock it properly than screw the atomizer on and off.
You don't have to bore me, I know all about it. I took off my .4Ω eGo One today, screwed on a .36Ω SubTank. Could not get it to stop reading .4Ω. it never would give me the new coil option because I think it needs to see a .05Ω difference.
Telling it there's a new atty isn't locking it, it's telling it to read the new atty.
The fact is it's TOO automatic.
This isn't that big of a deal for me, I rarely swap attys, but to claim VTC is easier than D2 to lock in is out there.
Push two buttons at once
vs
click 3 times, down down, unlock, hope it reads the new coil as a new coil, tell it it's a new coil, click 3 times, down down, lock.
I've got it to read a too close one before by running through the Power, Bypass, Ni, Ti with it unlocked. But I never think of that
What? No way. You click two buttons the D2 is locked to whatever is on there at the time..
VTC you screw it on, it might read it, it might revert back to the old locked reading. If not you keep screwing and unscrewing until it doesn't give you the last reading. IF there is a big enough different it MIGHT ask you if it's a new coil or the old one.
And no you can't have it.
Your post makes much more aense to me now. Locking (and locking only in my opinion) is far easier on the D2.
I love my IPV D2. It's almost like they learned everything they did wrong from the IPV mini 2, and fixed it with making the D2. Plus they added temp control which works flawlessly. I got a black silicon sleeve already on the mod when I opened my box and its maybe the nicest sleeve That Ive ever seen. The battery is easy to pop in and out and the battery door clips closed solid with no rattles anywhere on the mod. The buttons are clicks and very responsive and the menu system is really simple and quick to navigate. The screen is clear and bright with no mirror finish or issues seeing in the sunlight. The D2 is by far the best single 18650 mod on the market for the price and quality together. I love mine, if you can't tell already, and it's all I use at home and on the go. You can't go wrong with it.
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There is no question... The VTC absolutely craps on the D2. (bring it fanbois!
It's not even close. It's almost like Joyetech was watching allll the D2 complaints and flaws and fixed em all in the VTC Mini.
The VTC Mini is everything the D2 shoulda' been, but wasn't. AFIC, to this point, the VTC Mini is device of the year, hands down.
There are some fugly flaws in the D2, The biggest?
The iPV-D2 has no step down in wattage mode! (There is a "work around' but work-arounds suck compared to proper design.)
D2...has horrific sloppy firmware... affects MANY aspects of the user experience. Crap firmware = disposable device... period.
D2...has NO USB charging!! WTF?
D2...has inferior design and build quality. (compare the D2's cheapo bent spring & metal tab batt connector with the VTC's slick internal spring loaded brass contact design.)
The VTC Mini has none of these problems... none.
Not only did Joye take iPV to school on the mod, but they even schooled Yihi on the chip!!!
The VTC chip/firmware is faaar superior to the Yihi SX130H. I could spend a half hour on D2 firmware bugs alone but I'll give you one (out of about 6!) example of how better firmware improves the user experience... Compare the battery icons of the 2 devices after a half hour's use or so... Notice how the D2 still reads full battery??? WTF? Now, notice how the VTC shows a more accurate depiction of the battery at about 85%??? That's firmware.
The VTC display is not only stunning, but operates correctly! (firmware!) It appears to have much higher resolution as well.
The VTC is a solid casting versus stamped sheet metal for the D2.
The VTC has upgradeable firmware! And yes, there is already an upgrade available. So they (Joye) take it seriously.
I could go on... Bottom line...
The D2 is a decent mod but it's not fit to polish the VTC Mini's toenails in a head to head comparison.
Wow, that is spot on and a very well written comparison.
I loved my D2 when I got. However, the only people that are voting for the D2 are people that have not used the VTC yet.
Temperature I agree with. I especially like the 10°F jump. Not so much W/J with VTC's Ws only going one direction, D2's is definitely easier there.
I think it's a wash between the two. I give the VTC a slight win because it feels like better quality and the battery contacts are definitely better quality (but D2 charges in mod much faster so that's slight).
I also think WvsJ goes to W. I don't know if it's actually WvsJ but VTC's W seems more powerful.
As far as the firmware claims. Already discussed that, someone not liking how it acts is not a firmware problem. VTC refusing to read new coils actually is a firmware problem. But that can be fixed if they want to. I'd say any time it goes from 0Ω-XΩ the new/old coil option should come up, or have a way to make it give that option.
I have no problem recommending either of them, it all depends on what the person asking for is wanting.
I just tried the auto switch to power (screwing on kanthal in TC). It actually works better than the manual says, it was instant. But it changed my Ti coil's lock in without me unlocking it.