9/11 Disaster

[InMyImage]

9/11 was the worst day in contemporary American history since the bombing of Pearl Harbor. This day was a tragic day for thousands of victims and their families and friends who loved them and miss them.

The day that terrorists brought their Jihad to America's soil will live on as the day that shook the faith of many Americans in the security of living in one of the strongest, most technologically advanced countries in the world protected by the service of brave men and women everyday in the military, fire, police and health services.

As a country we lost a lot of the freedoms that we enjoyed individually in order to protect the many by way of allowing ourselves to be subjected to body scans, relaxed search and seizure, wire tapping and other citizen survellience laws and procedures.

Unfortunately, because of inconsistencies in some data and unexpected behaviors of massive physical events that are not easy for the layperson to comprehend, doubt and debate inevitably take hold and the discussion of what truly happened during some of the events of that day will continue for years to come.

Based on recent issues in the VU community the thought of having a thread started specifically for debating the issues surrounding the events of the day were suggested but so far noone has taken the step of opening one, so I decided to.

The only thing that I ask during these discussions is to remember that no matter what you feel about the subject and who may be at fault for some of the damage or the extent and resulting impact of the disaster, please remember that several thousand Americans died needlessly that day. True heroes stepped in to prevent more catasrophe on flight 93, while others stepped out of their normal lives to help find and rescue survivors, help loved ones locate and find closure for those who lost their lives and we were reminded of the dangers that our firefighters, police and medical first responders live with everyday.

Please respect the memory and honor that the victims, first responders and everyday heroes deserve and try to respect each other in the process because this issue is very close to home and the viewpoints of some people will be wildly different than your own.

Thanks,

Bill

 

[angus67]

i knew no one directly related to the disasters, but afterwards, my wife didn't sleep for a week, thought I had been anthraxed, then ripped out the plumbing under the sink at work, threatened the owner of the business we worked at with a knife, while quoting bible verses, wrapped up naked in a blanket, hiding crackers in the drop ceiling and subsequently ended up in the looney bin for the holidays, and still haunts us to this day. I have no comment.
But thanks for the memories

 

[glassgrl]

Please respect the memory and honor that the victims, first responders and everyday heroes deserve and try to respect each other in the process because this issue is very close to home and the viewpoints of some people will be wildly different than your own.

Thanks,

Bill

This^, this^, this^. I have no idea why 2 threads popped up on this subject just today, but nothing changes the fact that good people died, miracles occurred that kept some alive that would have died and just...this^.

 

[vaperature]

The reason two threads popped up is because this issue was being debated in another, non-related thread so we decided to open threads specifically addressing the issue. With all due respect, if you want to honor the victims, seek out the truth:

 

[OB61887]

I do not know how discussing 9/11 and a possible conspiracy anywhere, let alone a vaping forum, is respectful. Why is this a thing?

 

[OB61887]

The reason two threads popped up is because this issue was being debated in another, non-related thread so we decided to open threads specifically addressing the issue. With all due respect, if you want to honor the victims, seek out the truth:

Honor the victims however you wish, but if you do it publicly and keeping in mind the sensitivity of this subject, don't be surprised when people wtf.

 

[vaperature]

I do not know how discussing 9/11 and a possible conspiracy anywhere, let alone a vaping forum, is respectful. Why is this a thing?

How is it not respectful? If someone killed your brother, would you not want to know why? Would discussing theories of who killed your brother be disrespectful?

 

[vaperature]

Honor the victims however you wish, but if you do it publicly and keeping in mind the sensitivity of this subject, don't be surprised when people wtf.

I don't care if people wtf. I'm used to that after over a decade of 9/11 research. And by the way it HAS been over a decade since, so I would think the "sensitivity" issue would be a little muted by now. How long is the "it's too sensitive to talk about" card suppose to be played, anyway?

 

[OB61887]

How is it not respectful? If someone killed your brother, would you not want to know why? Would discussing theories of who killed your brother be disrespectful?

It is not respectful in that no part of it pays respect. Different than disrespectful. My opinion anyways. And if someone killed my brother, I would not discuss it with strangers on forums.

I don't care if people wtf. I'm used to that after over a decade of 9/11 research. And by the way it HAS been over a decade since, so I would think the "sensitivity" issue would be a little muted by now. How long is the "it's too sensitive to talk about" card suppose to be played, anyway?

I'm not very sensitive about it, but then again I never was. I didn't know anyone impacted and while I treated it with sensitivity because I understood it was, I was not sensitive about it... If that makes sense. Also, I'm kind of an ass deep down. How long it remains sensitive depends on who you are talking to. I'm not saying that discussing this bothers me. I just don't see the point of discussing it in a vaping forum, thus the wtf. Also, the "it's too sensitive to talk about" card isn't really a card. If you care about the people it bothers, you stop. If you don't, you don't stop. Considering this is a thread that anyone can ignore on a forum that anyone can ignore, I wouldn't be concerned.

Edit: Still, I do not understand why this discussion is on a vaping forum.

 

[vaperature]

It is not respectful in that no part of it pays respect. Different than disrespectful. My opinion anyways. And if someone killed my brother, I would not discuss it with strangers on forums.


I'm not very sensitive about it, but then again I never was. I didn't know anyone impacted and while I treated it with sensitivity because I understood it was, I was not sensitive about it... If that makes sense. Also, I'm kind of an ass deep down. How long it remains sensitive depends on who you are talking to. I'm not saying that discussing this bothers me. I just don't see the point of discussing it in a vaping forum, thus the wtf. Also, the "it's too sensitive to talk about" card isn't really a card. If you care about the people it bothers, you stop. If you don't, you don't stop. Considering this is a thread that anyone can ignore on a forum that anyone can ignore, I wouldn't be concerned.

Edit: Still, I do not understand why this discussion is on a vaping forum.

The reason these forums popped up is because the subject was being debated in another, non related forum so we decided to give it its own forum(s). I feel it is an important topic to discuss, and since this site has a non-vaping forum option I don't see any problem with it.

 

[galsvapetoo]

I think this may be slightly offensive even though it is the non vaping related section. My father is air force. He was over in Afghanistan & Iraq. Afghanistan before 9/11 & Iraq after. No he wasn't in the world trade center or on one of those flights. But it's just as terrifying wondering if your dad is going to come home this time. Half the time you can't talk to him and you send him packages so he will have a reminder to come home to us and we love him. I actually almost had a heart attack the last time he was over. The door bell rang and I opened it and it was a gentleman in uniform. I almost dropped to my knees. All I could think is he is here to tell me he's dead and this stuff only happens in movies this can't be happening to me. Thank god he was only there to get in contact with my brother as he was a recruiter. But this is the life you have to live with in the service. Families included.

 

[InMyImage]

Just to be clear to anyone reading, this subject was taking over another thread and getting heated. I was not a participant in that discussion but got tired of seeing it taking place in a thread that was vaping related and honestly have no idea how it ever got started in the first place.

My family was personally touched by 9/11 as well as several people I know personally.

Additionally, my father is retired Air Force and I was ready to being active duty and head to Desert Storm myself until I was medically dischared due to a head injury leading to a seizure disorder.

All of my grandfathers and uncles served in a branch of military and fought in Vietnam, Korea, or WWII.

Again, I will stress that no matter what anyone's personal feelings are what they may want to debate in a public forum, they need to remember that this was a contempory significant event in American history that continues to affect civilian and military families today and should keep in mind that things they may say regarding this issue may very well lead to significant future issues with other members of the forum given the sensitivity and feelings of a topic such as this in a forum that is not political or religious in nature outside of any topics directly related to vaping advocacy.

If you want to discuss this issue in detail, please know that I respect your right to do so, but you should respect the nature of the community and the fact that this continues to be an issue today with real emotional and physical strain and issues impacting not only the American public, but a rather significant membership of this forum.

 

[OB61887]

Again, I will stress that no matter what anyone's personal feelings are what they may want to debate in a public forum, they need to remember that this was a contempory significant event in American history that continues to affect civilian and military families today and should keep in mind that things they may say regarding this issue may very well lead to significant future issues with other members of the forum given the sensitivity and feelings of a topic such as this in a forum that is not political or religious in nature outside of any topics directly related to vaping advocacy.

I don't need to remember anything. #Yolo

If you want to discuss this issue in detail, please know that I respect your right to do so, but you should respect the nature of the community and the fact that this continues to be an issue today with real emotional and physical strain and issues impacting not only the American public, but a rather significant membership of this forum.

Along those lines, you should respect that some people don't want this on the forum and may be upset. You have the right to post and discuss. And people have the right to blah blah blah.

 

[skoony]

thanks for starting this thread.
i remember i was on my way to work.
i was cutting through the sky ways in down town Saint Paul.
i noticed a larger than usual group of people huddled under
a tv suspended outside of one of the banks.
the tv was usually tuned to one of the financial channels.
however there was the first tower in flames. i asked "is this live?".
the response was yes, a plane hit the tower.
i knew right then it wasn't a Cessna.clear bright blue,cloudless
New York city morning. within moments the second plane hit.
the collective response was and i quote,[ oh shit ]
i knew then things will never be the same.
i proceeded to work where my fellow co-workers had set
up a tv in the shop.we watched the rest of the days events
live.
i suppose that's the way people felt when they heard the news
about Pearl Harbor and the assassination of JFK.
i was 6 when JFK was shot. i wasn't old enough to understand
all the implications but,it sure did affect my parents and all the
other adults i knew.
the thing is about these three events is the ton of armchair
quarter backing and theoretical after the fact accounting of
these events.
we knew Japan was going to declare war and attack us.
that is undeniable. however no one expected they would attack
as far east as Pearl Harbor. i suppose there were even those
that were secretly wishing for Japans declaration against us
as it would get us into the war. i believe if it wasn't Pearl
Harbor there would of been something else. there was no
way for us not to get involved. we were the worlds only hope.
much has been speculated about the assassination of JFK.
was it a conspiracy? yes. it started one minute after JFK was
shot. i gave it a name. i call it cover my ass.
lastly the events of 911.i watched it live.
all the events that unfolded. were we confused? yes.
every one was. tv news anchors,commentators,government
officials,anybody and everybody was knocked for a loop.
one thing was for certain. the rescue personnel were advised
to evacuate at least 20 minutes before the first tower came
down. the buildings engineers knew the towers were coming
down by observing the lateral displacement of the buildings.
this was reported as such live on tv before the first tower
fell.so there goes the controlled explosion theory right out the
window along with everything that came afterwards.
in conclusion i have never believed our government has
either as a whole or in part conspired to kill United States
Citizens.
respectfully submitted,
mike

 

[No Ash More Cash]

You have 10x+ more chance of dieing from being shot from a cop then being killed/Hurt by a terrorist...Fact!!.. Apart from that one day 9/11 more people get shot by cops then Hurt/killed by terrorists each year in the US...So who should we really worry about?
“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
Benjamin Franklin

 

[moecat]

You have 10x+ more chance of dieing from being shot from a cop then being killed/Hurt by a terrorist...Fact!!.. Apart from that one day 9/11 more people get shot by cops then Hurt/killed by terrorists each year in the US...So who should we really worry about?
“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
Benjamin Franklin

Back from AWOL?

 

[No Ash More Cash]

Not that I ware a tinfoil hat but I do think the pentagon hit was fishy for a few reasons...1: there was only one film of something hitting the place and that was from a parking lot cam ( you think a place like the pentagon would be cammed up to the eyeballs) the other thing with that footage is you really don't see the object hitting the building a frame is missing... Video is shown below) 2: There was very little plane wreckage like a topical plane wreckage ( luggage, plane parts that match the size of the plane and non that was burt...Nothing!) 3: The pentagon don't have any defense?...The pentagon was hit after the towers you would think the building of "center of defense" would have some kinda defense either planes, guns/rockets...etc... 4 : The section of the Pentagon destroyed is said to have housed records of DoD spending and the personnel for monitoring that spending....The day before 9/11 Rumsfeld Announces $2.3 Trillion Missing from Pentagon but that got forgot about the next day..9/11

One of 2 videos to catch something hitting the pentagon (Notice the frame showing something and how low to the ground it is)...It's not a plane that's for sure

 

[No Ash More Cash]

Back from AWOL?

Yeah but staying away from AU and anyone who supported any form of censorship ..As you can tell I fucking hate censorship!

 

[Browncoat]

 

[havok333]

I watched a video about a year ago that tried to pin the JFK assassination on George H. W. Bush. It was less than convincing, lol.

 

[InMyImage]

Yeah but staying away from AU and anyone who supported any form of censorship ..As you can tell I fucking hate censorship!

Ash, don't be such a drama queen. All anyone did was comment that we are sensitive to a couple of words and ask that you exhibit some simple adult control, courtesy and sensitivity. If it is censorship to hint to you that you should grow up and being a courteous human being, then you have some big problems and if you need to go have a chat with your minister/priest/reverend/etc about that "do unto others" principle.

Jeesh, you'd think that someone who bragged about how much fun it was to swoop into another forum with some of your friends and disrupt them just for shits and giggles would have a thicker skin. Guess the saying is true that a bully is strong until you stand up to him, and then he's just a blabbering baby.

 

[InMyImage]

Yeah but staying away from AU and anyone who supported any form of censorship ..As you can tell I fucking hate censorship!

By the way, you might want to stop using VU also, because you are censored by VU way more that our request that you show some respect to your fellow users.

You can't discuss drugs or other illegal activity and you can't post any pictures that show nipples or genitals.

So why don't you stop being a hypocrit and just get off of VU as a whole?

Or is your issue really with adults who understand how to be one telling a child that they might want to grow up and learn how to be a respectful member of society instead of living your life as a punk?

 

[OB61887]

You can discuss drugs or other illegal activity and you can post any pictures that show nipples or genitals.

 

[InMyImage]

Thanks for catching the error there

 

[InMyImage]

Oh and @No Ash More Cash just to make sure that evidence of your own immaturity and bullying doesn't mysteriously disappear...

Love stuff like that...I was just telling someone the other day one of the boards I use to post on we did "board raids"... where we would all sign up to one board like 20+ of us and all of a sudden we would just run havoc on it like we where pirates...Well the board we where on was a Howard Stern board (Pirate stern) it's no more but we where the ones who closed down Kathy Giffords board... they didn't know what hit them.. we did a few other board raids but that one was the best...I know it's fucked up but I was in tears

 

[No Ash More Cash]

Oh and @No Ash More Cash just to make sure that evidence of your own immaturity and bullying doesn't mysteriously disappear...

By the way, you might want to stop using VU also, because you are censored by VU way more that our request that you show some respect to your fellow users.

You can't discuss drugs or other illegal activity and you can't post any pictures that show nipples or genitals.

So why don't you stop being a hypocrit and just get off of VU as a whole?

Or is your issue really with adults who understand how to be one telling a child that they might want to grow up and learn how to be a respectful member of society instead of living your life as a punk?

Not really the thread to disuse this but this will be my last post to you about this... First off...I teach my kid to be respectful but I also teach her don't be pushed around...I also teach her to be a free thinker and just because someone pushes their agender on her she don't have to follow them and be her own person..see I don't go around telling people what they can and can't say or have "words banned " I find it ridicules, childish and pathetic and people who want that need therapy for some underlying issues (No words should be banned!!) Now as to me leaving UV due to some people not liking certain words is not going to happen due to how the rules are set up now... I read the rules before I joined and I agreed to the Site rules in fact I even made one of my first posts in the rules thread and it was one of the reasons I left ECF but I'm sure you saw that in your searching of all my posts (Creepy)...I'm not going to spend the time like you searching all my posts, yours or in fact anyones but I did find one that started all this and is suitable to this subject and finale reply... you and others made your point very clear when you and others "liked" and carried on about this after I gave my explication with respect in my explication and how you would like to see other words banned and with your sig "

yeah and i know there's no censorship here, but if i was queen, the "c" word would be banned. that word just really bothers me.

"...You saying I should leave VU Don't make sence...I follow the owners/site rules and not someone who would like to see the rules changed just because they don't like something what isn't in the rules...If you and anyone else want more censorship here take it to the owner or make a thread so everyone can see what words you and others would like to see Banned here and don't push your agenda to someone acting within the rules(I never called ANYONE here a "Cunt")...In fact if you or anyone else don't like what someone says here that is within the rules maybe ECF would be more suitable for you or anyone else who feel the way you do..Half of the English language and this sites URL are banned there...I didn't bring my issue back to AU out of respect plus really don't want to post in a thread where people are going to get upset about word not even aimed at them... what happened here was...I just replied to a question and that was that...It seems you have more of a issue to this then me to almost stalk me...I made my case some time ago in AU and left it at that and to never to return to that thread or Bring it up or deal with anyone who wants more banning of words here...My Reply to Moecat didn't mention you but it seems it upset you that much where you spent a lot of time to search all my posts(5 alerts in my alert box from you about this...Really???) If you don't like what people say use the "Ignore" button but don't go around telling people what they can't say it's very un american ... and on that note...I have better things to do with my time and with that this is the end of this conversation...Don't bother replying to this post because you will not get a reply Because I wont see it..The Ignore button can be a beautiful thing

 

[moecat]

 

[VapedCrusader]

I think this may be slightly offensive even though it is the non vaping related section.

Bringing up or discussing a subject (no matter what it is) is not OFFENSIVE. It doesn't matter if its a hot button issue like 9/11 or not.. I've said it before on here, this country is obsessed with being offended by someones opinion and so full of these fake PC police who take things out of context... It's insanity. If the OP said 'fuck everyone who died in 9/11' yea that could be offensive.. but he's simply bringing up a subject that has been the source of discussions for years (just look at all the documentaries made on this one aspect alone).

Cmon now folks..I thought this was a 100% uncensored forum.. I mean if you can't bring up these subjects here, where else are you supposed to have them? At the water cooler at work or with your boss in a meeting? With your local book club? Forums are exactly the place for debates about weird or fucked up situations that take place.. no one should be bashing the OP for this.

Social media is partly to blame for this overly PC, cry-baby, 'watch what you say' society we now live in and it makes me sick to my stomach. Are we supposed to keep quiet about certain subjects because a single person somewhere in the world could get offended by it?! This is what it's slowly becoming in the US.. Can't even post jokes on FB anymore without the possibility you could lose your job if someone is 'offended' by it.. It's ridiculous - End Rant

OP - don't let anyone make you feel bad about your post.

 

[kelli]

Not really the thread to disuse this but this will be my last post to you about this... First off...I teach my kid to be respectful but I also teach her don't be pushed around...I also teach her to be a free thinker and just because someone pushes their agender on her she don't have to follow them and be her own person..see I don't go around telling people what they can and can't say or have "words banned " I find it ridicules, childish and pathetic and people who want that need therapy for some underlying issues (No words should be banned!!) Now as to me leaving UV due to some people not liking certain words is not going to happen due to how the rules are set up now... I read the rules before I joined and I agreed to the Site rules in fact I even made one of my first posts in the rules thread and it was one of the reasons I left ECF but I'm sure you saw that in your searching of all my posts (Creepy)...I'm not going to spend the time like you searching all my posts, yours or in fact anyones but I did find one that started all this and is suitable to this subject and finale reply... you and others made your point very clear when you and others "liked" and carried on about this after I gave my explication with respect in my explication and how you would like to see other words banned and with your sig ""...You saying I should leave VU Don't make sence...I follow the owners/site rules and not someone who would like to see the rules changed just because they don't like something what isn't in the rules...If you and anyone else want more censorship here take it to the owner or make a thread so everyone can see what words you and others would like to see Banned here and don't push your agenda to someone acting within the rules(I never called ANYONE here a "Cunt")...In fact if you or anyone else don't like what someone says here that is within the rules maybe ECF would be more suitable for you or anyone else who feel the way you do..Half of the English language and this sites URL are banned there...I didn't bring my issue back to AU out of respect plus really don't want to post in a thread where people are going to get upset about word not even aimed at them... what happened here was...I just replied to a question and that was that...It seems you have more of a issue to this then me to almost stalk me...I made my case some time ago in AU and left it at that and to never to return to that thread or Bring it up or deal with anyone who wants more banning of words here...My Reply to Moecat didn't mention you but it seems it upset you that much where you spent a lot of time to search all my posts(5 alerts in my alert box from you about this...Really???) If you don't like what people say use the "Ignore" button but don't go around telling people what they can't say it's very un american ... and on that note...I have better things to do with my time and with that this is the end of this conversation...Don't bother replying to this post because you will not get a reply Because I wont see it..The Ignore button can be a beautiful thing

i couldn't make it through more than a few sentences of your hideous grammar, but i can't believe you are still railing about this issue. good lord, you are the kind of person who would yell "fire!" in a crowded theater, then defend your right to do it. try being nice. it works wonders. and if you don't see this because i am on ignore, even better.
have fun being a turd in everyone's punchbowl, dear.

 

[vaperature]

Good Lord now you all know why I had that other thread closed.

 

[galsvapetoo]

my father fights for many of our freedoms.. I don't need a reminder of that. all I am saying is to maybe be a little more sensitive to the people who are sensitive to the subject and not be so fucking rude you wanker! I am the last person to hush hush about things I believe very strongly in our freedom of speech. I however have the courtesy to not bring up something so rude or insensitive that might hurt others

 

[MKPM]

Yeah but staying away from AU and anyone who supported any form of censorship ..As you can tell I fucking hate censorship!

It appears that you also hate maturity.

 

[MKPM]

Simply put....if you do not trust the country in which you live...and feel that political agendas are addressed with mass murder......then quickly and quietly LIVE ELSEWHERE!

 

[Midniteoyl]

Well, I fought and am disabled so others may have freedom, and a good friend died doing the same, so I wont advocate censorship.. However, that said, if you came to my house with that attitude and level of disrespect, I would very well assert MY fucking right to bash your fucking throat in.

Hows that for freedom?

 

[vapedick]

Good Lord now you all know why I had that other thread closed.

But still posting your bullshit video here????

 

[OB61887]

However, that said, if you came to my house with that attitude and level of disrespect, I would very well assert MY fucking right to bash your fucking throat in.

Hows that for freedom?

Never knew we had that right. This will be fun }:-{D.

 

[InMyImage]

Bringing up or discussing a subject (no matter what it is) is not OFFENSIVE. It doesn't matter if its a hot button issue like 9/11 or not.. I've said it before on here, this country is obsessed with being offended by someones opinion and so full of these fake PC police who take things out of context... It's insanity. If the OP said 'fuck everyone who died in 9/11' yea that could be offensive.. but he's simply bringing up a subject that has been the source of discussions for years (just look at all the documentaries made on this one aspect alone).

Cmon now folks..I thought this was a 100% uncensored forum.. I mean if you can't bring up these subjects here, where else are you supposed to have them? At the water cooler at work or with your boss in a meeting? With your local book club? Forums are exactly the place for debates about weird or fucked up situations that take place.. no one should be bashing the OP for this.

Social media is partly to blame for this overly PC, cry-baby, 'watch what you say' society we now live in and it makes me sick to my stomach. Are we supposed to keep quiet about certain subjects because a single person somewhere in the world could get offended by it?! This is what it's slowly becoming in the US.. Can't even post jokes on FB anymore without the possibility you could lose your job if someone is 'offended' by it.. It's ridiculous - End Rant

OP - don't let anyone make you feel bad about your post.

I don't feel bad about starting the thread because it let me try to set the tone for a discussion that I saw happening by a couple of other members in a different thread after they failed to start a new thread themselves.

@No Ash More Cash, stalking you? The only reason I even knew you were still around was because you posted in a thread that I started and then made a comment that you want to avoid anybody from the VU thread which was amusing because I was one of the people telling you that you needed to grow up and think before you speak. If you go back and actually read what happened at the time, you will also see all of us telling you that we were not bashing you or telling you that you couldn't say anything, or that we wanted you to go away. The only thing we asked us for you to be aware of the fact that some found something you said offensive and that it would be appreciated if you'd stop saying it.

If you want to avoid anyone in that thread, that is fine but don't blame us for your inability to navigate the intricacies of an adult social environment and adapt to your surroundings.

 

[kelli]

Well, I fought and am disabled so others may have freedom, and a good friend died doing the same, so I wont advocate censorship.. However, that said, if you came to my house with that attitude and level of disrespect, I would very well assert MY fucking right to bash your fucking throat in.

Hows that for freedom?

i love that!

 

[No Ash More Cash]

Holy fuck...I wasn't even going to talk about this again but... talk about losing the plot... I guess that's from having heads so far up your arses and being self important...Just because you don't like a word DON'T MEAN EVERYONE Has to obey your nonsense or immaturity(Whaaaaaa boo hoo I don't like a word so it must be banned)...Of course I have respect and wouldn't say such words when inappropriate... Anyone who wants a word banned don't see the bigger picture...The posts here are not even worth replying too individually so if you take this personally and think it's aimed at you...that's your problem not mine....Maybe words like Rape, Murder, Sodomy...Etc should be banned too due to there Graphic nature?...(When does it end?)
“If you hide your ignorance, no one will hit you and you'll never learn.”
Ray Bradbury
(In context) Someone has to SHOW you how ignorant you are and not by physically hitting you


Suggested reading.. Ray Bradburys - Fahrenheit 451

Or for the lazy ...watch the movie
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/154885/Fahrenheit_451_1966/
"A war on words is against every Philosopher, Poet , Creative writing, free expression and language as a whole"- Me

A video I have posted before but just in case No one saw it..."People get really upset about some words, when in reality, the offence conveyed by words is essentially in the cultural value tied to those words.... and that can vary from country to cuntry." or with no boundaries like the Internet

In response to @kelli ...Due to my learning disability (Dyslexia) my Grammar/Spelling is for shit but you know what...I don't give a fuck!!! If anyone has something to say I see past their Grammar and spelling and look at the content and meaning but you might want to go back and really read what was said here and in AU...My second post here was a reply to Moecat and I left it at that (That could of happened in any thread or PM)... IMI decided to make it more of a issue here...NOT ME! The other thing is...Yes I did say "Cunt" (Not aimed at anyone here and was used as a expression) in you thread not knowing it upset you but like I have said in my post here... my responses about it in AU was respectful where I didn't say it again and was refering it to the "C word" after I EVEN SAID SORRY...Funny how everybody hasn't brought that up or forgot that and just cherry pick what was said...So yes I guess It must make me a "Turd" ...This just reinforces in what I'm dealing with and I don't have time for such nonsense

 

[kelli]

for not having the time, you sure just spent a lot of it.

 

[Midniteoyl]

 

[Fishee]

Good times, yeah, good times.

 

[No Ash More Cash]

for not having the time, you sure just spent a lot of it.

If 2 posts in this thread are considered "a lot" then I guess it is... picking one small part that isn't even really irrelevant to the subject matter is all you can do well that speaks volumes... speaking of which...was my Grammar ok or was the content and facts to much to handle?

 

[No Ash More Cash]

Good times, yeah, good times.

 

[kelli]

oh good grief, this has gotten old.

 

[MKPM]

Holy fuck...I wasn't even going to talk about this again but... talk about losing the plot... I guess that's from having heads so far up your arses and being self important...Just because you don't like a word DON'T MEAN EVERYONE Has to obey your nonsense or immaturity(Whaaaaaa boo hoo I don't like a word so it must be banned)...Of course I have respect and wouldn't say such words when inappropriate... Anyone who wants a word banned don't see the bigger picture...The posts here are not even worth replying too individually so if you take this personally and think it's aimed at you...that's your problem not mine....Maybe words like Rape, Murder, Sodomy...Etc should be banned too due to there Graphic nature?...(When does it end?)
“If you hide your ignorance, no one will hit you and you'll never learn.”
Ray Bradbury
(In context) Someone has to SHOW you how ignorant you are and not by physically hitting you


Suggested reading.. Ray Bradburys - Fahrenheit 451

Or for the lazy ...watch the movie
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/154885/Fahrenheit_451_1966/
"A war on words is against every Philosopher, Poet , Creative writing, free expression and language as a whole"- Me

A video I have posted before but just in case No one saw it..."People get really upset about some words, when in reality, the offence conveyed by words is essentially in the cultural value tied to those words.... and that can vary from country to cuntry." or with no boundaries like the Internet

In response to @kelli ...Due to my learning disability (Dyslexia) my Grammar/Spelling is for shit but you know what...I don't give a fuck!!! If anyone has something to say I see past their Grammar and spelling and look at the content and meaning but you might want to go back and really read what was said here and in AU...My second post here was a reply to Moecat and I left it at that (That could of happened in any thread or PM)... IMI decided to make it more of a issue here...NOT ME! The other thing is...Yes I did say "Cunt" (Not aimed at anyone here and was used as a expression) in you thread not knowing it upset you but like I have said in my post here... my responses about it in AU was respectful where I didn't say it again and was refering it to the "C word" after I EVEN SAID SORRY...Funny how everybody hasn't brought that up or forgot that and just cherry pick what was said...So yes I guess It must make me a "Turd" ...This just reinforces in what I'm dealing with and I don't have time for such nonsense

How in the name of common sense can one NOT know that the word C*nt is not offensive to females? Yes we use it quite liberally in the UK...but I really want to watch you call a woman in Scotland or England one! I live in the US and fully consider myself to be an American, and am not so ignorant as to believe that it is not offensive. Two issues at play, this bears mentioning SIR. One is that whilst you did apologise to the ladies offended....but then you went into other threads to bang on about the "injustice shown you" as if you are entitled to some manner of chat martyrdom. The line that I emboldened in red pretty much sums up how you feel about everyone outside of yourself SIR. Secondly.....NOBODY even so much as attempted to CENSOR you whatsoever...they merely registered their objection to the word in question....please try to understand the difference. Beyond that, you are truly portraying yourself in OTHER THREADS as a victim. Grow a pair mate and stop with the pity party and learn that in order for there to be harmony, we need to spend less time in front of the mirror.

 

[No Ash More Cash]

How in the name of common sense can one NOT know that the word C*nt is not offensive to females? Yes we use it quite liberally in the UK...but I really want to watch you call a woman in Scotland or England one! I live in the US and fully consider myself to be an American, and am not so ignorant as to believe that it is not offensive. Two issues at play, this bears mentioning SIR. One is that whilst you did apologise to the ladies offended....but then you went into other threads to bang on about the "injustice shown you" as if you are entitled to some manner of chat martyrdom. The line that I emboldened in red pretty much sums up how you feel about everyone outside of yourself SIR. Secondly.....NOBODY even so much as attempted to CENSOR you whatsoever...they merely registered their objection to the word in question....please try to understand the difference. Beyond that, you are truly portraying yourself in OTHER THREADS as a victim. Grow a pair mate and stop with the pity party and learn that in order for there to be harmony, we need to spend less time in front of the mirror.

Are you even reading and understanding what's being said here or are you just saying shit for the hell of it? Let me go though what you just said here...1: AGAIN I used "Cunt" in conversation to a MALE poster as a expression of 2 people who I think are cunts and was not aimed at ANYONE here male or female Not everyone is offended by it Male or female and the person whom I was talking to wasn't either... 2: If by "Bang on" you mean I replied to one question and was going to leave it at that..BTW That would be Thread and not "Threads" So please stop exaggerating...It only take one letter or word to change the whole perspective of things ...That's not Banning on... after that this so called Banging on are all replies to peoples posts aimed to me...EVEN THIS ONE! ...See the conundrum there? so you know the answer to that is...Stop banning on! 3: The red highlighted quote you so kindy did has been taken out of context..."I don't give a fuck!!!" was in response to kelli pointing out my bad grammar due to my Dyslexia...And you know what...I still don't give a fuck!!! 4: Right after the so called "Cunt" offense haha it was stated that word should be banned...Now to me that was a very passive aggressive way of Don't say it any more you and I believe 7 others backed that one and from what you have said and saying now still feel that way...BTW thank you for acknowledging my apology only for the fact that I brought to light again...I think only one person at that time did...That says a lot right there 5: "stop with the pity party and learn that in order for there to be harmony, we need to spend less time in front of the mirror" All i can say to that is Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...I didn't bring up about someone saying a word so maybe you should aim that at them...I'm talking principles that I or anyone should have someone else's issues shoved them.. So as you can see I carefully read your post...Didn't cherry picked... I think I didn't take things out of context... I posted facts and not fiction....So what did we learn from this?...Waits for the "Banging on"

 

[MKPM]

Not worth going into anymore....your cross will be ready in the morning. I will now deny you what you desire the most in this matter........attention. TA

 

[No Ash More Cash]

No it's not worth it But it's still clear that you didn't read or understood what I said...I did say..."Stop banging on"...How the fuck is that looking for attention? That asking to stop!!!...Not my fucking fault everyone jumped on the bandwagon and had to give 2 cents

 

[InMyImage]

This thread has served it's purpose by getting the topic of 9/11 out of the Texas juice lab poker game picture thread.

I created it for the sole purpose of ending that conversation there so that the participants could move on. The thread accomplished that purpose, but now has become a thread for @No Ash More Cash to play victim and I really do not want the memories of the true victims and heroes of 9/11 to be dredged up over and over again because one person doesn't understand how to integrate into their surroundings and can't seem to understand the context of what is said to them without turning everything into a personal vendetta.

@No Ash More Cash I really wish you the best, but I think you really need to:

• Seek some professional help regarding your paranoia and personal persecution complex
• Get some assistance from an eitiquette coach on how to integrate into American society now that you live here and not England
• Attend night school for reading comprehension so that you can better your understand of the written world you currently spend your time in. I understand that dyslexia is a significant issue that affects reading speed and comprehension, but if you are going to spend significant amounts of time interacting in an environment where the sole means of communication is by reading, comprehending and then writing, you really need to take more responsibility to ensure that you understand what is being said before responding because what you are reading and what is being said are not the same thing and you are responding incorrectly.
• If you are going to ignore someone, you actually need to complete the ignore member process
• If you are going to truly ignore someone, you really need to stop posting in threads created by the person you are trying (and failing) to ignore

Best wishes, and I truly hope that the efforts you make trying to teach your daughter how to respect others are significantly better than your own efforts to do the same.