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Finally got the Boreas in today. My first build is SS316 26ga twists, 3.5mm mandrel, 7/6 wrap at .18Ω. I'm running it on the small-hole deck at 50 watts and she's fabulous!
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Just wondering how the juice consumption compares to say a Crown tank at 50 watts.
 

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Just wondering how the juice consumption compares to say a Crown tank at 50 watts.
It will depend a lot on what kind of coil you use. Many of these newer RTAs have huge decks allowing some crazy builds that vaporize juice like nobody's business. It doesn't have to be that way though, it just begs the question of why have all that space if you're not going to use it? Put a 28g single wire coilbuild on it and you won't be sucking up the juice all that much (and not getting as much flavor/cloud production), but toss a 24g fused clapton build on it and that juice is going to fly right through it.
 

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I love that tanks providing great flavour and decent cloud have become the norm:shades:

I still need a stealthy tank for some situation but plan on getting the Boreas for everyday use as soon as my local vape shop brings them in (which they've promised to do).

Very interested in your build given it's a relatively simple one and you're vaping right in my wheelhouse regarding watts.

How is the flavour with your build:question:
 

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Well most people I see are running this at and above 100 watts. I was curious if it drank less with lower watt builds...
 

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well I own 2 Crown tanks & I run .25 SS coils in them I just got the Boreas last night
did my first build ever ( that actually worked ) last night. 24/26 ga Clapton .25 ohm on the 2.5mm juice hole deck & to it seems to go though about as much or a little less then my crowns
granted the Boreas is a bigger tank but I ran my crown @ 50-55W & I am running the Boreas @ 70-75W & it may make it through the day on one refill. I generally refill the crowns 3-4 times
 

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Well most people I see are running this at and above 100 watts. I was curious if it drank less with lower watt builds...
We'll, if you use less watts, you vaporize less juice. Doesn't really have anything to do with what tank it is in.
 

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neither seem to be as bad as my TFV4 but with all these RTA, & most so the Sub ohm tanks coming out it is really expected
they will suck though juice
 

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I love that tanks providing great flavour and decent cloud have become the norm:shades:

I still need a stealthy tank for some situation but plan on getting the Boreas for everyday use as soon as my local vape shop brings them in (which they've promised to do).

Very interested in your build given it's a relatively simple one and you're vaping right in my wheelhouse regarding watts.

How is the flavour with your build:question:
Super duper, is all I can say. This is a fabulous tank. There are some people who are running it single coil with a tight drip tip, and it'll hold 200W+ with the bog-hole deck. I really can't say enough about it. It's just a machine. I truly love the design, so easy to work.
 

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well I own 2 Crown tanks & I run .25 SS coils in them I just got the Boreas last night
did my first build ever ( that actually worked ) last night. 24/26 ga Clapton .25 ohm on the 2.5mm juice hole deck & to it seems to go though about as much or a little less then my crowns
granted the Boreas is a bigger tank but I ran my crown @ 50-55W & I am running the Boreas @ 70-75W & it may make it through the day on one refill. I generally refill the crowns 3-4 times

Thank you sir, that is the exact info I was looking for. I have been using the Crown with the Ni200 coils on temp for months. Very satisfied with it and don't mind how much it drinks because I buy juice from online vendors. I have been toying with the idea of getting an up grade mainly for more flavor and less refills. Looks like this Boreas might just fit the bill...
 

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will know better as I go like I said I am green as green gets when it comes to coil building & I am still playing with the wattage range & may have to put these coils on the 2mm juice hole deck as the flavor on this one is better around 100W but way to hot for me. This is only what I have noticed & not sure wicking is right + I would assume it will also depend on how you build your coils & wicking
I had such a hard time with the RBA's leaking on the Crowns I packed this sucker full of cotton as I was a little nervous
 

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Well most people I see are running this at and above 100 watts. I was curious if it drank less with lower watt builds...
vaping it at 14 watts.,.1.2 ohms a1..with a silicone insert to reduce the chamber
flavor is exelent . juice consumption very good. and is battery life !
 

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I said I would put something crazy into the Boreas last night....Ive done Crazy ID Coils in it but I havent done anything to build it for Surface Area yet...This should do it! .....Each one coil is wider then most Fused Clapton Dual coils combined....wrap for wrap. I think this is also on the 2mm Deck but Im not certain...it should do fine either way but I just wanted to try this thing out!

24N80/22KA1/24N80 Tri Core Fused Clapton (5 Wraps/3.5mm ID @ .08 Ohms)

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Super duper, is all I can say. This is a fabulous tank. There are some people who are running it single coil with a tight drip tip, and it'll hold 200W+ with the bog-hole deck. I really can't say enough about it. It's just a machine. I truly love the design, so easy to work.
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Super duper, is all I can say. This is a fabulous tank. There are some people who are running it single coil with a tight drip tip, and it'll hold 200W+ with the bog-hole deck. I really can't say enough about it. It's just a machine. I truly love the design, so easy to work.
I just want one tank I can love for a while.

When all I used were drippers that was my Marquis then Velocity mini. For tanks I have the Crius and Griffen and like both but don't LOVE them;)
 

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I just want one tank I can love for a while.

When all I used were drippers that was my Marquis then Velocity mini. For tanks I have the Crius and Griffen and like both but don't LOVE them;)
Just out of curiosity, what didn't you like about the Griffin?
 

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Just out of curiosity, what didn't you like about the Griffin?
Two things; 1) Juice volume and 2) wicking.

I feel like I have to constantly fill it and hate these silly juice channels that either leave you with dry hits or leaking. Dry hits are not much of a problem but I have had some leaking issues.

Both of these issues are solved with the Boreas which would elevate it from a liked tank to a loved tank (for me anyway):)
 

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Just wondering how the juice consumption compares to say a Crown tank at 50 watts.

Both my Supreme and my Boreas are very happy to hungrily consume 50mls+ a day, but I use massive fused/staple 3mm dual claptons at 120w+. Though I think it's safe to say unless you're rocking this thing with some tiny tooters and staying under 40W it's gonna chug some juice.
 

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everybody said jc is coupled with air control,..not have any problems with it .
but thinking if you need more juice and less air , why not open 4 holes which sets the juice control and than set the air where it shows only one quarter open on all4 holes = one hole open . with more juice ??
never heard that argument before.
 

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Question. What Mod is everyone running their Boreas on
I am thinking of possibly getting an RX200
It could be my build but on my Xcube II it seems to take the coils a few seconds to heat up
I tried both decks. I am now using the 2MM JC deck 24Ga pre-made Clapton wire. I did 5 wraps each this build came out to .24ohms & running @ 70watts. I don't know if it is the ramping of the Xcube or just my build
 

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Question. What Mod is everyone running their Boreas on
I am thinking of possibly getting an RX200
It could be my build but on my Xcube II it seems to take the coils a few seconds to heat up
I tried both decks. I am now using the 2MM JC deck 24Ga pre-made Clapton wire. I did 5 wraps each this build came out to .24ohms & running @ 70watts. I don't know if it is the ramping of the Xcube or just my build
I have mine on my RX200. With a 24ga core Clapton set, you might want to up the watts a tad to beat that ramp time. That's a pretty massive coil, It probably wants 100-120 watts to cook.
 

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slowly making my way up there lol I usually run between 50-60 watts with my Crowns & 60-70 on my FTV4
 

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Question. What Mod is everyone running their Boreas on
I am thinking of possibly getting an RX200
It could be my build but on my Xcube II it seems to take the coils a few seconds to heat up
I tried both decks. I am now using the 2MM JC deck 24Ga pre-made Clapton wire. I did 5 wraps each this build came out to .24ohms & running @ 70watts. I don't know if it is the ramping of the Xcube or just my build
just running my boreas with the vtc miny ..at 14 watts , never liked the big boys builds . 1.2 to 1.5 ohms 28 micro or some twisted thinner wire .
ramp up time very fast and all the clouds I want. I got a rx200 and for my style of vaping I see no point in it,its probably verrry nice for you Clapton , high watts guys. I would trade mine for a vtc mini any time.
so you can see where I would never use my 2nd build deck either thinking of silversoldering the holes shut and drilling smaller holes . would be nice to have a 2nd build deck with smaller holes.
every body is different .. with your coil build you have to use more watts .
 

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I only used the Clapton wire to start coil building as it seemed the easiest to work with
what are you using to block the second coil side. I was thinking of making a plug
I have a VTC Mini if you want to trade LOL
 

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Question. What Mod is everyone running their Boreas on
I am thinking of possibly getting an RX200
It could be my build but on my Xcube II it seems to take the coils a few seconds to heat up
I tried both decks. I am now using the 2MM JC deck 24Ga pre-made Clapton wire. I did 5 wraps each this build came out to .24ohms & running @ 70watts. I don't know if it is the ramping of the Xcube or just my build
It's the build, by "pre-made clapton" I assume that means the factory wire that you can buy in spools? If so it's probably 32g outer wrap which just exacerbates the ramp up issue. Anyways, try tossing that XCube on I believe it's called "Max" setting, this will increase the wattage for the first 2 seconds, it helps with ramp up but without having that heat carry all the way through the draw (if you take longer draws). IIRC I'd keep mine at 120w on a build with Max setting it'd give me 135w for the first 2 seconds.
 

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It's the build, by "pre-made clapton" I assume that means the factory wire that you can buy in spools? If so it's probably 32g outer wrap which just exacerbates the ramp up issue. Anyways, try tossing that XCube on I believe it's called "Max" setting, this will increase the wattage for the first 2 seconds, it helps with ramp up but without having that heat carry all the way through the draw (if you take longer draws). IIRC I'd keep mine at 120w on a build with Max setting it'd give me 135w for the first 2 seconds.
Yes the wire came in a pre cut length I actually have it on Max but just did the Smok upgrade on it & now people complaining their Xcubes are acting funny so that could be part of it As I have run all the Smok TFV4 coils on this XCube & was a lot faster ramp up then I am experiencing now
 

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I only used the Clapton wire to start coil building as it seemed the easiest to work with
what are you using to block the second coil side. I was thinking of making a plug
I have a VTC Mini if you want to trade LOL

the plug...silicone plastique from myom , = make your own molds.com
its food grade , high temp . wrote about how I did it a while back wth pictures .
send me a pm .
 

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Yes the wire came in a pre cut length I actually have it on Max but just did the Smok upgrade on it & now people complaining their Xcubes are acting funny so that could be part of it As I have run all the Smok TFV4 coils on this XCube & was a lot faster ramp up then I am experiencing now
the TFV4 coils are much smaller mass wise than what you got in there now so that's not surprising. Easy way to think about wattage use is not just more watts = hotter, it's more of a scale, to get a similar experience if you have more metal that coil will need more watts than a smaller coil. Also a coil with lower resistance will need more than one with higher. Example, my 28g fused claptons (.41Ω) at 70w is a similar experience to my 24g fused claptons (.13Ω) at 120w. Same warmth for both of those builds, though much thicker vapor on the 24g.
 

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makes sense & I didn't really think of it. I was just thinking get close to the same ohms reading of the premade coils I was used to
& the size of the TFV4 coils but you are correct didn't think about the actual size of each individual coil they are tiny. Guess I need to play more with the thinner wire. I am really a flavor chaser not clouds time for more research although the flavor is amazing on this coil setup may just deal with the ramp time
 

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makes sense & I didn't really think of it. I was just thinking get close to the same ohms reading of the premade coils I was used to
& the size of the TFV4 coils but you are correct didn't think about the actual size of each individual coil they are tiny. Guess I need to play more with the thinner wire. I am really a flavor chaser not clouds time for more research although the flavor is amazing on this coil setup may just deal with the ramp time
I'm that same way flavor>>>clouds, but with the best flavor builds I've found the clouds just come. For ramp up what I used to do with one of my old setups that was really bad is just start with exhaling while I press the button then inhale, gives the coil a chance to warm up but still applying that air so it doesn't singe anything or build up stale vapor in the chamber.
 

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the TFV4 coils are much smaller mass wise than what you got in there now so that's not surprising. Easy way to think about wattage use is not just more watts = hotter, it's more of a scale, to get a similar experience if you have more metal that coil will need more watts than a smaller coil. Also a coil with lower resistance will need more than one with higher. Example, my 28g fused claptons (.41Ω) at 70w is a similar experience to my 24g fused claptons (.13Ω) at 120w. Same warmth for both of those builds, though much thicker vapor on the 24g.
It's not just thin or thick, or watts. Bigger coils do have more mass, but that is very easy to heat. Takes very little energy. Bigger coils means more surface area. Which takes longer to vaporize more juice. Not to mention big decks, for bigger coils, give more air. Which really means more cooling. Which really means more power to produce same temp with increased surface area.
 

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It's not just thin or thick, or watts. Bigger coils do have more mass, but that is very easy to heat. Takes very little energy. Bigger coils means more surface area. Which takes longer to vaporize more juice. Not to mention big decks, for bigger coils, give more air. Which really means more cooling. Which really means more power to produce same temp with increased surface area.
Lots of factors at play, that's just a simple rule of thumb I use to guess my sweet spot on wattage.
 

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