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are my sub ohm specs safe?

I have a Reuleaux 200s
3 Samsung 25r in the mod
A goon RDA built at 0.12

Noob question but is this safe?
How long pulse and continuous?
Does 3 25r's mean I can draw up to 60 amps? 3 20 amp batteries added together? (Or whatever the true limit is?)

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I have a Reuleaux 200s
3 Samsung 25r in the mod
A goon RDA built at 0.12

Noob question but is this safe?
How long pulse and continuous?
Does 3 25r's mean I can draw up to 60 amps? 3 20 amp batteries added together? (Or whatever the true limit is?)

Thanks
those are good batts and it's a regulated mod so it's safe. if you use over 100 watts your mod will likely get pretty hot due to the wiring inside being a bit on the thin side. but overall you are fine.Ohms law doesn't apply to regulated mods but if it was unregulated 3 batteries in series (like the rx is) still would only give you the max amps and those batteries are 20 amp batteries so it would be 20 amps max still.
 

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Safe? Probably Stupid, definately.

If the batteries are mounted in series the amp limit is 20 if parallel 60.. In either case I would reduce that by 10% or more additional....... depending on battery brand and condition.
 

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Good batteries, decent regulated Mod, yes you're safe. Mech mod it would be unsafe for those spec's, but you're perfectly fine with the setup you have.
 

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Without knowing the wattage you are using, we can't actually say 100%, but it is very likely you are perfectly safe, unless you are vaping at say 180W+.

As has been said, you are using a regulated mod, and good batteries. The resistance does not matter in this case, build anywhere within the mods rating.

To calculate your amp load with a regulated mod, the calculation is- (Wattage/min single battery voltage/number of batteries)/mod efficiency.

As it is series the amp limit stays the same, but as you have a high input voltage you can achieve high power safely.
 

HondaDavidson

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he's using a regulated mod, not a mech
So the amp limits and ratings of the batteries is the same..... if you regulated mod is drawing 25 amps. It a good idea to have batteries that can handle 25 amps or more... don't you think?


A regulated mod won't draw or supply more amps than it board is capable of.... it can an will draw more AMPS than a batteries is capable of. Though.

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conanthewarrior

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So the amp limits and ratings of the batteries is the same..... if you regulated mod is drawing 25 amps. It a good idea to have batteries that can handle 3 amps or more... don't you think.


A regulated mod won't draw or supply more amps than it board is capable of.... it can an will draw more AMPS than a batteries is capable of. Though.

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Of course the amp limit remains the same, and people should stick within their batteries CDR, but even if they was running at a very high wattage, with the batteries they are using there isn't really an issue.

With a regulated mod , if you are drawing 25A it depends on your use- unless OP is vaping at 180W they are fine and not near their cells limits.
 

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Of course the amp limit remains the same, and people should stick within their batteries CDR, but even if they was running at a very high wattage, with the batteries they are using there isn't really an issue.

With a regulated mod , if you are drawing 25A it depends on your use- unless OP is vaping at 180W they are fine and not near their cells limits.
I have a different view on safety than most..... see I don't consider a regulated mod as safer... for me.... than a mech... Safety wise i treat them the same. See I view the mod as a power supply device.... I know that the safety devices in a mod are there to protect the MOD and sometimes the battery. Any protection that affords me is simply a by product. My choices still remain as the only thing between me and danger.



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So the amp limits and ratings of the batteries is the same..... if you regulated mod is drawing 25 amps. It a good idea to have batteries that can handle 25 amps or more... don't you think?


A regulated mod won't draw or supply more amps than it board is capable of.... it can an will draw more AMPS than a batteries is capable of. Though.

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It doesn't work like that with regulated mods. they won't draw more then 20 amps or so from the battery. The amps drawn from the battery =/= the amps at the coil. they use a DC-DC convertor, for instance the RX200s has a 55 amp limit from the board there are no 55 amp batteries and the 3 batteries are in series meaning at best with LG HB6 batts you only have 30 amps form the batteries. the numbers would be impossible if drawn from the batteries directly
 

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I have a different view on safety than most..... see I don't consider a regulated mod as safer... for me.... than a mech... Safety wise i treat them the same. See I view the mod as a power supply device.... I know that the safety devices in a mod are there to protect the MOD and sometimes the battery. Any protection that affords me is simply a by product. My choices still remain as the only thing between me and danger.



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the difference is they aren't the same. the calculations of both are completely different. much like a UPS system but that uses an AC-DC convertor. the AC voltage charges the DC batteries and then the DC batteries are converted into AC voltage to supply power to the device connected. so it goes 120v-12v-120v with buck and boost so if voltage has issues at the receptacle it would be 110AC-12DC-120AC
 

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the difference is they aren't the same. the calculations of both are completely different. much like a UPS system but that uses an AC-DC convertor. the AC voltage charges the DC batteries and then the DC batteries are converted into AC voltage to supply power to the device connected. so it goes 120v-12v-120v with buck and boost so if voltage has issues at the receptacle it would be 110AC-12DC-120AC
Amp draw at the battery us still amp drawn at the battery... the formula and factors use to determine said draw may be different. But the value of said draw is still the determining factor for safety.

The difference between a mech and a regulated mod... other than the number of amps They draw. Is the in a mech the atty draws the amps and in a regulated mod the electronics do.

As with ALL vape devices.. if you stay within the safety parameters of the gear you are using at the time you will be ok. The key being KNOWING those limits before you start.

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Saying that because a mod is regulated it will protect the user from everything is wrong.
The mod has no way of knowing the amp rating of the battery(s) and will draw from the battery what it needs whether it can supply it or not.
It's still up to the user to use appropriate batteries for the wattage used or lower the wattage to accommodate the limitations of the batteries.
 

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Amp draw at the battery us still amp drawn at the battery... the formula and factors use to determine said draw may be different. But the value of said draw is still the determining factor for safety.

The difference between a mech and a regulated mod... other than the number of amps They draw. Is the in a mech the atty draws the amps and in a regulated mod the electronics do.

As with ALL vape devices.. if you stay within the safety parameters of the gear you are using at the time you will be ok. The key being KNOWING those limits before you start.

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I am tired of seeing this error being made around here. Most people still seem to be living in the mech mod days, where in order to calculate the current (amps) being drawn from the battery, you only need to know the resistance of the coil and the nominal voltage of the battery. This makes sense on a mech because the resistance of the coil is the ONLY thing you have control over (well that and the charge of the battery). However, if you are using a regulated mod, this does not apply. Resistance of the coil means absolutely zero on a regulated mod.

Let me give a brief explanation on why this is. (NOTE: I am not an electrical engineer, but I did stay in the honeymoon suite of a Holiday Inn Express last night).

Regulated mods typically use a DC-DC converter (probably in most cases a switched-mode converter). That is, they separate the input and output voltage (in other words, they separate the battery from the atomizer). So, just because you have 3.7v going in from your battery doesn't mean this is what will be hitting the atomizer. On a mech mod, yes, that is what happens because there is nothing in between the atomizer and the battery. On a regulated mod, there is a voltage regulator in between the battery and the atomizer.

On a mech mod, as your battery drains, you have less voltage (and thus less power) hitting the atty. This means the vapor production diminishes over time. We know from Ohm's law that Power = voltage X current. As you can see from this simple equation, as the voltage drops, this necessarily means less power (watts).

The circuitry in a regulated mod stops this from happening. The regulator will swap voltage for current in order to achieve the power (watts) you have your mod set at. Again, P = I * V. As the voltage on the right side of the equation drops, the power also must drop. So, looking at this equation, how can we keep the power constant throughout the charge of the battery? Yep, we need to increase the "I" (current) to compensate for the battery being drained. This will allow you to keep your desired power setting all the way through the battery's charge.


I think the biggest bit of confusion comes from the fact that people don't know the difference in input voltage (what comes directly from the battery and varies based on charge level) and output voltage (what the regulator puts to the atomizer to achieve your desired power level). And the mods we use don't help the matter. A lot of these mods show the power, the resistance of the coil and the applied voltage on the screen at the same time. So, a lot of people assume this is the voltage value you plug into an Ohm's law equation. Using our .5Ω example, if you had it set to 50 watts, the screen would show 5v. So if you plugged in 5v and 0.5Ω into a calculator, you would once again get back the incorrect result of 10 amps.

I saw a guy earlier who was talking about his build on a regulated mod. He said "I am running 0.3Ω at 80 watts. This equals 16 amps, so I am well within the safe limits of my 20 amp battery." Well, he committed the cardinal sin of using the output voltage in his calculation (or using Power and atomizer resistance to calculate current -- neither are correct). Let's do his calculation properly. If his battery is fully charged (around 4v) and he is running at 80 watts, then:

I = P/V

80/4 = 20 amps.

In reality he is pulling 20 amps on a full charge, not 16 as he thinks. But that's not all. Since the battery voltage drops during use, the regulator will have to increase the amperage drawn to keep him at 80 watts. So, let's say his battery is near dead and is at 3.2v.

80/3.2 = 25 amps

Now, since most batteries are 20 amps continuous, we might be getting into some danger territory (possibly). Meanwhile this guy is vaping happy thinking he is still only pulling 16 amps from the battery.

Multiple Battery mods:


Example: You are running your Sigelei 150 at 150 watts and you want to know the amp draw on your batteries.

I = 150/ 7.4v = 20 amps

Since your two batteries become a single battery in series, the nominal voltage effectively doubles. This means you don't need as much current to hit that 150 watts.

TL;DR: Don't confuse output voltage for input voltage on regulated mods. If you want to determine your current draw from the battery on a regulated mod, here is the only correct way to do it: I = P/V. That means your current will equal your watt level divided by how much charge you have on your battery. If you don't know the charge, then just plug in 3.7v (as that's the nominal rating). Atomizer resistance has nothing to do with the current being drawn from your battery on a regulated mod.
Also, you need to factor in efficiency (~10% overhead) as well depending on the board (check your board's specs for efficiency).

So basically lets say you have a .2ohm resistance coil
if you were using a series mech mod with fully charged batteries. that would be 42 amps and 352 watts. not safe at all for any batteries
using a regulated mod lets say at 150 watts it would be (using nominal voltage) 150/7.4 = 20.2 amps. with a full charge battery it would be 150/8.4 = 17.8 amps. more then safe for the 20 amp batteries we use.

thats why a lot of users say 75 watts per battery or 150 watts is safe for a dual series regulated mod. it puts you at 20 amps which is the rating on the batteries we all use.
Saying that because a mod is regulated it will protect the user from everything is wrong.
The mod has no way of knowing the amp rating of the battery(s) and will draw from the battery what it needs whether it can supply it or not.
It's still up to the user to use appropriate batteries for the wattage used or lower the wattage to accommodate the limitations of the batteries.
that's true as well. especially with the 200+ watt mods that run on dual 18650s I'm not sure exactly how it does it without over stressing the batteries. but at 150 watts with a good 20 amp battery you are fine at any resistance.

For my daily vaping if i wanted 200 watts i'd stick to 30 amp batteries as it'll draw 27 amps form the batts at that wattage. The ijoy lux for example is 215 watt mod which makes sense since they come with 30 amp batteries and 215/7.4 = 29 amps so maxing out the mod is safe. but realistically no new users are popping 200 watts all day on their device.

Disclaimer I'm not an expert by any means just sharing the knowledge i have

https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic...you_dont_calculate_current_draw_on_regulated/

https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic..._how_to_properly_calculate_input_current_for/
 

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So basically lets say you have a .2ohm resistance coil
if you were using a series mech mod with fully charged batteries. that would be 42 amps and 352 watts. not safe at all for any batteries
using a regulated mod lets say at 150 watts it would be (using nominal voltage) 150/7.4 = 20.2 amps. with a full charge battery it would be 150/8.4 = 17.8 amps. more then safe for the 20 amp batteries we use.

thats why a lot of users say 75 watts per battery or 150 watts is safe for a dual series regulated mod. it puts you at 20 amps which is the rating on the batteries we all use.

that's true as well. especially with the 200+ watt mods that run on dual 18650s I'm not sure exactly how it does it without over stressing the batteries. but at 150 watts with a good 20 amp battery you are fine at any resistance.

EDIT: Does anyone think a sticky for amp load for regulated mods would be a good idea?
For my daily vaping if i wanted 200 watts i'd stick to 30 amp batteries as it'll draw 27 amps form the batts at that wattage. The ijoy lux for example is 215 watt mod which makes sense since they come with 30 amp batteries and 215/7.4 = 29 amps so maxing out the mod is safe. but realistically no new users are popping 200 watts all day on their device.

Disclaimer I'm not an expert by any means just sharing the knowledge i have

https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic...you_dont_calculate_current_draw_on_regulated/

https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic..._how_to_properly_calculate_input_current_for/

This is what I like about regulated devices- for the majority of people, they are going to be more than enough and can safely supply the power needed.

However, if someone wants to vape at 200+W, wether it is regulated or mechanical, they should know what they are doing. A regulated mod does offer lots of failsafes, but unfortunately they are still not idiot proof.

I agree with everything you are saying though-just you will still get the odd person who wants to make toast in the bath (Bad comparison, but all I could think of lol).
 

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This is what I like about regulated devices- for the majority of people, they are going to be more than enough and can safely supply the power needed.

However, if someone wants to vape at 200+W, wether it is regulated or mechanical, they should know what they are doing. A regulated mod does offer lots of failsafes, but unfortunately they are still not idiot proof.

I agree with everything you are saying though-just you will still get the odd person who wants to make toast in the bath (Bad comparison, but all I could think of lol).
well the problem is people apply ohms law to regulated mods. I did it too before i learned. what they don't realize is the calcualtions are so different they could think they are safe when they aren't.

for instance
I saw a guy earlier who was talking about his build on a regulated mod. He said "I am running 0.3Ω at 80 watts. This equals 16 amps, so I am well within the safe limits of my 20 amp battery." Well, he committed the cardinal sin of using the output voltage in his calculation (or using Power and atomizer resistance to calculate current -- neither are correct). Let's do his calculation properly. If his battery is fully charged (around 4v) and he is running at 80 watts, then:

I = P/V

80/4 = 20 amps.

In reality he is pulling 20 amps on a full charge, not 16 as he thinks. But that's not all. Since the battery voltage drops during use, the regulator will have to increase the amperage drawn to keep him at 80 watts. So, let's say his battery is near dead and is at 3.2v.

80/3.2 = 25 amps

Now, since most batteries are 20 amps continuous, we might be getting into some danger territory (possibly). Meanwhile this guy is vaping happy thinking he is still only pulling 16 amps from the battery.
 

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the other thing is mechs get safer as the battery drains, while regulated get less safe as the battery drains. for instance if you run your batteries down to 3.2 volts each (6.4 in series) at 150 watts you are now pulling 23.5 amps in your batteries. where when they were fully charged it was 18 amps. with a mech it's the opposite. say you built a .3 ohm coil on a series mech mod thats 28 amps but by the time the batteries are dead (say 3.2v) now it's only 21.3 amps
 

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well the problem is people apply ohms law to regulated mods. I did it too before i learned. what they don't realize is the calcualtions are so different they could think they are safe when they aren't.

for instance
I will admit I also did that for a long time myself until realising the calculations were completely different.

I see it so often here, and other places too, that I really do think more people need to know the correct way to calculate.

I am familiar with the reddit post, it was actually one of the places I first realised I was wrong myself lol- since then has been a kind of uphill battle explaining to people it is completely different.
 

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I will admit I also did that for a long time myself until realising the calculations were completely different.

I see it so often here, and other places too, that I really do think more people need to know the correct way to calculate.

I am familiar with the reddit post, it was actually one of the places I first realised I was wrong myself lol- since then has been a kind of uphill battle explaining to people it is completely different.
I'm sure we all have. good info is hard to come by and some people spout wrong info cause they don't know any better
 

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The current going through the coil is not the same as battery current in a regulated mod. The current the batteries are supplying is set via the wattage setting. Even at 180 watts, each cell would only need to supply 60 watts. Very doable. This would be around 180 divided by 11.1 volts = 16.2 amps PLUS the power losses. So around 17 amps.
 

conanthewarrior

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The current going through the coil is not the same as battery current in a regulated mod. The current the batteries are supplying is set via the wattage setting. Even at 180 watts, each cell would only need to supply 60 watts. Very doable. This would be around 180 divided by 11.1 volts = 16.2 amps PLUS the power losses. So around 17 amps.

It is doable, it is just as battery voltage falls in a regulated mod, amp load increases, so something that is not too stressful at full-nominal voltage can become so at cutoff voltage, which is why the minimum input voltage is used.

So, at 180W before efficiency you would be drawing 18.75A, factor in say a 90% efficiency and this rises to 20.83A at cutoff( assuming 3.2V per cell, so 9.6V, higher if it is lower than this). This isn't a huge amount over a 20A cells CDR, but for maximum safety you do really want to stick within their rating.

A 25R can take a hell of a lot of abuse though- I just think it is best to stay as safe as possible.
 

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