Bergdahl and Benghazi.... whats up !

[jack]

I am not much of an extrovert , I more or less keep a low profile . What burns my butt is that Americans died over these two things .
If we do not stand up for that , what do we stand for ? Have we lost our way with the smoke and mirrors of politicians .Right or wrong , makes no difference, we should know the truth , period . As far as I can see, a democracy only works if the public is well informed . If not then democracy fails . Vent , if you want to tell me to go to hell , that's o.k. too .

 

[Time]

What exactly do you think you want to know?

 

[jack]

What exactly do you think you want to know?

The larger Roman Empire lasted 500 years due to , it's failed economy and corrupt leaders , I am not a historian , but does that equal what is going on with the above two scandals. Yes , I think that is the right term , sadly for us . And what do others think .

 

[Time]

That, and it's foreign expansion/ military conquests spreading themselves too thin. Lots of parallels with the Roman Empire.

So, Ambassador Stevens was in Libya working with the CIA to secure the weapons The US supplied those "Rebels" in the effort to topple the country so that they could covertly forward them to "Rebels" in Syria. Of course the corrupt government is going to try hide the reason he and his security were killed. You will probably never get the full true story.

I'm not sure where Bergdahl fits in with corrupt government though. I see no political or monetary gain in it.

 

[pulsevape]

That, and it's foreign expansion/ military conquests spreading themselves too thin. Lots of parallels with the Roman Empire.

So, Ambassador Stevens was in Libya working with the CIA to secure the weapons The US supplied those "Rebels" in the effort to topple the country so that they could covertly forward them to "Rebels" in Syria. Of course the corrupt government is going to try hide the reason he and his security were killed. You will probably never get the full true story.

I'm not sure where Bergdahl fits in with corrupt government though. I see no political or monetary gain in it.

Yeah I agree...I figure the goverment of Syria killed the amabaasador and his gaurds,for gun running arms into Syria...they knew the could do it, because the knew that Obama couldn't come out and say they were violating the law by gun running....Obama never wanted to get to the bottom of Benghazi because he knew what was at the bottom of Benghazi.....unlawful gun running.

 

[Time]

Maybe. It's hard to tell. Libya, like most of those countries, have a number of separate factions and the US has a reputation of backing this or that faction and then abandoning them or turning against them. I think one or more of those groups were mad about the US supporting one faction over another after the deed of getting rid of Gahdifi was done and the CIA/State Dept. was pulling the weapons from them so they attacked.

I assume Syria would have been too busy and not capable of operating outside their borders. I also think O-bomb-a and Hitlery would have loved to pin it on Syria if they could. They would have claimed it was Syria and just left out the gun running part. It would have given them an excuse to bomb Assad.

 

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Unholy alliances.

 

[jack]

Is the problem , people in office run around and do anything they want . Good example , a committee in congress can not get anything done or get to the bottom of anything. Or is it that the public does not put enough pressure on them to get it done . And career politicians sit back and do nothing , just to get along and not rock the boat .

 

[Time]

It has to be pure corruption, IMO.

From seeing what does(Patriot Act, NDAA, etc.) and does not(Defunding certain agencies, etc) get done and watching some of these Senate and Congressional Hearings, what is said/not said and the blatant lying can only be willful corruption. It makes no sense. No clear thinking individual would go along with most of it.

 

[jack]

It's like once in a while drag out the dog and pony show , blow some sunshine and daisies , say ok looks like we did something and go home .

 

[pulsevape]

It has to be pure corruption, IMO.

From seeing what does(Patriot Act, NDAA, etc.) and does not(Defunding certain agencies, etc) get done and watching some of these Senate and Congressional Hearings, what is said/not said and the blatant lying can only be willful corruption. It makes no sense. No clear thinking individual would go along with most of it.

Exactlly only and idiot at this point thinks that the political class is ill informed, or has bad judgment, or are obtuse...the political class knows exactlly what they are doing...the spend about 20% of their time and energy implemneting the agenda of their masters and the other 80% of their time convincing the stupid fucks who make up the population that poverty,tyranny,oppression,war,and slavery are great ideas.....and that the goverment is neccessary and benevolent.

 

[jack]

Exactlly only and idiot at this point thinks that the political class is ill informed, or has bad judgment, or are obtuse...the political class knows exactlly what they are doing...the spend about 20% of their time and energy implemneting the agenda of their masters and the other 80% of their time convincing the stupid fucks who make up the population that poverty,tyranny,oppression,war,and slavery are great ideas.....and that the goverment is neccessary and benevolent.

YES , but who are the masters ? And how can the head of the I.R.S. stand in front of congress and say yes he will look for the e-mails . Then go back 3 months later and tell them no , they did not even look for those e-mails . That alone should cost him his job , at least . But as always lie to congress , no big deal . Is there a master ,or are these people just doing whatever they want , because, no one stands up and says cut the crap and do your job ! If one of my people came up to me and said no , they did not do it , well that would not happen . Because my boss , would fire me then them , for insanity .

 

[BigNasty]

YES , but who are the masters ? And how can the head of the I.R.S. stand in front of congress and say yes he will look for the e-mails . Then go back 3 months later and tell them no , they did not even look for those e-mails . That alone should cost him his job , at least . But as always lie to congress , no big deal . Is there a master ,or are these people just doing whatever they want , because, no one stands up and says cut the crap and do your job ! If one of my people came up to me and said no , they did not do it , well that would not happen . Because my boss , would fire me then them , for insanity .

Clinton was the master of the illegal sales of arms to a rebel group. She also was the one in charge of telling the forces to stand down.
Stevens was trying get said weapons out of the hands of the wrong people the sec. of state put them in.
Just chalk it up to three more dead with hitlery having a direct hand in.

 

[Time]

There's lot's of examples. The head of NSA, under oath and in front of video camera's lied to Congress. Then admitted he lied when the truth came out. He was never charged and is still the head of NSA. But football players went to prison for lying about steroids.

The Rule of Law does not exist when the Law is not applied to government, special interests or prefered/protected individuals(Corzine).

This country is in deep doodoo. Has been for quite some time. None of this is new. It's just so rampant now that it can't be hidden any more and government is pretty blatant about it.

If you look, you'll find the vast majority of the State Dept have been there for many many years and worked for all administrations. These things have been in motion for a few decades.

 

[jack]

Clinton was the master of the illegal sales of arms to a rebel group. She also was the one in charge of telling the forces to stand down.
Stevens was trying get said weapons out of the hands of the wrong people the sec. of state put them in.
Just chalk it up to three more dead with hitlery having a direct hand in.

The sad part is now she wants to be President . Are" we the people " really that stupid ! I must be really" out there ", because I see it as a real insult that she is even running !

 

[BigNasty]

The sad part is now she wants to be President . Are" we the people " really that stupid ! I must be really" out there ", because I see it as a real insult that she is even running !

To quote that haggard murderous treasonous cunt.."what difference does it make?"
So her body count is what like 60? She has been tied to more deaths than Ebola in the US.

 

[Time]

The sad part is now she wants to be President . Are" we the people " really that stupid ! I must be really" out there ", because I see it as a real insult that she is even running !

Politics is a team sport now-a-days. The teams don't care how corrupt and evil their guy/gal is, only that the other teams corrupt guy/gal doesn't get in.

That's partly how we got the government we have. Most of the voters in the country vote for what they see as "less evil".

 

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I don't think there are teams anymore...it's all the same party ...there's not a whit of diffrence between Obama and Boehner....look at both parties platforms...a huge federal goverment, the displacemnet of the population by hordes of third worlders...jumping into wars....corporate control...I can't see any diffrence.

 

[pulsevape]

There's lot's of examples. The head of NSA, under oath and in front of video camera's lied to Congress. Then admitted he lied when the truth came out. He was never charged and is still the head of NSA. But football players went to prison for lying about steroids.

The Rule of Law does not exist when the Law is not applied to government, special interests or prefered/protected individuals(Corzine).

This country is in deep doodoo. Has been for quite some time. None of this is new. It's just so rampant now that it can't be hidden any more and government is pretty blatant about it.

If you look, you'll find the vast majority of the State Dept have been there for many many years and worked for all administrations. These things have been in motion for a few decades.

Hell the IRS targeted political disidents, and threw the election to Obama by targeting his enenmies...an obscure and innocent video maker was thrown in prison just to cover up bengahzi..Dinesh D'souza was jailed for making two of the most popular documentaries in history and were critical of Obama,abd after serving his sentnce a Obama appointed judge still wants to keep him in jail.We are living in a totalitarian nightmare....

 

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The sad part is now she wants to be President . Are" we the people " really that stupid ! I must be really" out there ", because I see it as a real insult that she is even running !

Yeah her platform is .."vote for me I have a vagina".....democrats voted for a stupid inarticulate emtionally and psycological child on the platform of "vote for me I have a black skin"....so yeah the people can be that stupid.

 

[pulsevape]

To quote that haggard murderous treasonous cunt.."what difference does it make?"
So her body count is what like 60? She has been tied to more deaths than Ebola in the US.

and yet she not only walks around free...she actually gets paid obscene amounts of money to cackle on stage around the world....and has an army of morons who think she'd make a great president...we've devolved into a banana republic in which you get to prtend to vote for who gets to run the death squads.

 

[jack]

Yeah her platform is .."vote for me I have a vagina".....democrats voted for a stupid inarticulate emtionally and psycological child on the platform of "vote for me I have a black skin"....so yeah the people can be that stupid.

That I have to say maybe true ,and made me laugh ! Bergdahl and Benghazi. have been going on for years and this clown Gowdy , they lie right to his face, and the media makes him look like some kind of hero !

 

[Time]

I don't think there are teams anymore...it's all the same party ...there's not a whit of diffrence between Obama and Boehner....look at both parties platforms...a huge federal goverment, the displacemnet of the population by hordes of third worlders...jumping into wars....corporate control...I can't see any diffrence.

That's true at the level of government but in order for people to ignore the corruption of polititians at the voter level, it's done in terms of teams.

The only way that Hitlery's deeds can be ignored by anyone is if she is on their team. Not a single D would set any of it aside if she was a R. They'd hang her by her tits. The only way a R would vote for a person for President that signed gun control measures, signed the first Obamacare bill(Romneycare) and a host of other progressive actions as a govenor is if he is on their team.

I know allot of D's. They didn't and don't like Obama. They voted for him because he was on their team. He was their guy, like him or not. He wasn't Romney.

I know allot more R's that hated Romney. They voted for him. He was on their team. He was their guy. He was better than Obama.

The teams will vote for their corrupt teammates because they are "less evil". Teams are how we ended up with a corrupt government. Once in, you are correct, there is no real difference between them.

 

[OBDave]

So much brain fuck here I can't respond. Suffice to say I'll never vote for a member of either ruling party, they're both about nothing other than blowing smoke up your ass while funneling your cash to the people who already have so much they won't know what to do with the guft.

fat fingered flubs courtesy dumb mobile phone

 

[BigNasty]

That's true at the level of government but in order for people to ignore the corruption of polititians at the voter level, it's done in terms of teams.

The only way that Hitlery's deeds can be ignored by anyone is if she is on their team. Not a single D would set any of it aside if she was a R. They'd hang her by her tits. The only way a R would vote for a person for President that signed gun control measures, signed the first Obamacare bill(Romneycare) and a host of other progressive actions as a govenor is if he is on their team.

I know allot of D's. They didn't and don't like Obama. They voted for him because he was on their team. He was their guy, like him or not. He wasn't Romney.

I know allot more R's that hated Romney. They voted for him. He was on their team. He was their guy. He was better than Obama.

The teams will vote for their corrupt teammates because they are "less evil". Teams are how we ended up with a corrupt government. Once in, you are correct, there is no real difference between them.

It is actually hitlerycare this is what she wanted n 94 when the insurance industry hung her ass out to dry.