CAR EXPLODES!!! UNDER INVESTIGATION!!!!

[Woodsman]

Note: I'll leave this thread for others to comment on, as I am rarely online nowadays.

API: A car exploded today. The case is under investigation by people who know nothing about cars. Details will be posted later (or never). Have a nice day, and enjoy driving your car.

This is like the amount of information provided by investigations of vape explosions or malfunctions. "Investigators" know nothing about vaping. Is there any attempt to seek information from those who know something about vaping? Hardly.

When there is an explosion or malfunction, I want to know things like type of battery, mod, rda/rta/rba/clearomizer, gauge and type of wire, ohms of atomizer, and a lot of other stuff.

Aren't investigators supposed to search for every single detail in order to help prevent future incidents?

Have a nice day, and enjoy your vape.

 

[raymo2u]

Aren't investigators supposed to search for every single detail in order to help prevent future incidents?

They are supposed to, unless told by someone above their pay-grade not to

 

[Woodsman]

They are supposed to, unless told by someone above their pay-grade not to

Maybe big tobacco is funding the investigations!!

 

[raymo2u]

Maybe big tobacco is funding the investigations!!

They dont need to fund them but they do have some influence with the Government and the government has control over the Police and influence in the Media...like ripples in a pond

 

[Paratech]

under investigation by people who know nothing

This takes place on soo many topics.
But I agree, I want details.

 

[Woodsman]

Not only details, but GORY details!! Actually, I think most reports include the latter without the former!! Anyway, if I come across any completed investigation with full details, I will post them here.

 

[Whiteshep]

As long as those in a high enough position want vaping gone your never going to see "idiot responsible for exploding battery" or "user ignorance caused explosion\fire" it just doesn't suit the agenda and while malfunctions may be responsible occasionally more often then not you scratch the surface and find a person was responsible. Given time we might get to a stage where such things are covered and give good advice on how it can be avoided but we got a way to go yet, journalism these days is so damn lazy going for the big two second impact headline rather then the journalism of yesteryear which covered everything in detail and giving if possible help to avoid.

 

[Whiskey]

Wheres the link to this?

 

[Whiteshep]

I think it's a general dig at ecig media stories where the sensational headline never holds up to scrutiny rather then a specific story Whiskey but could be wrong.

 

[robot zombie]

Why pay for a detailed investigation that leads to a factually-substantiated resolution if headlines and controversy are what really bring in the cash flow? I don't think it's necessarily ever a big conspiracy, though that's not to say that it couldn't be. I just think that when you look at the state of journalism with regards to any and every all subject - across the board, "It's just the biz." seems like the easier explanation to put weight on. No back-alley deals and no hidden agendas... ...they're simply taking advantage of people's predilection for controversy and short attention spans to make a buck. This is how they run their businesses successfully.

Now of course there often are agendas and backers, I just don't think there necessarily has to be one for every bullshit article/report/story/interview.

It's not always a matter of pro-this or anti-that. It is whatever it needs to be to keep people talking and reading. By the time the facts actually do surface, people don't even care anymore. They're already bored of it by the time the real story has begun. And the thing is... ...most of them probably never made up their minds, either.

Honestly, I don't know where any news agency these days would get the impression that people actually want facts. I myself am not convinced that many of the people who treat the news as their window to the world genuinely want to learn about reality. If you want to learn something about reality, you look to tangible facts and reasonable logic rather than unknowns that can explain other unknowns. The difference here is that one adds depth to your worldview, while the other merely supports a given worldview. Widening your horizon is challenging. Zooming in on it is not.

The truth is not decided. It is simply observed. When the news presents vague possibilities and suggests that you should decide the truth for yourself, they're fucking with you... ...they don't have it. But that's not what you're after, is it?

Okay, lemme turn it around on you guys. How many of you who follow vaping news actually read it expecting to learn something about the situation? If so, well god bless you. But if not, then why do you read it at all?

 

[Rossum]

 

[MyMagicMist]

Why pay for a detailed investigation that leads to a factually-substantiated resolution if headlines and controversy are what really bring in the cash flow? I don't think it's necessarily ever a big conspiracy, though that's not to say that it couldn't be. I just think that when you look at the state of journalism with regards to any and every all subject - across the board, "It's just the biz." seems like the easier explanation to put weight on. No back-alley deals and no hidden agendas... ...they're simply taking advantage of people's predilection for controversy and short attention spans to make a buck. This is how they run their businesses successfully.

Now of course there often are agendas and backers, I just don't think there necessarily has to be one for every bullshit article/report/story/interview.

It's not always a matter of pro-this or anti-that. It is whatever it needs to be to keep people talking and reading. By the time the facts actually do surface, people don't even care anymore. They're already bored of it by the time the real story has begun. And the thing is... ...most of them probably never made up their minds, either.

Honestly, I don't know where any news agency these days would get the impression that people actually want facts. I myself am not convinced that many of the people who treat the news as their window to the world genuinely want to learn about reality. If you want to learn something about reality, you look to tangible facts and reasonable logic rather than unknowns that can explain other unknowns. The difference here is that one adds depth to your worldview, while the other merely supports a given worldview. Widening your horizon is challenging. Zooming in on it is not.

The truth is not decided. It is simply observed. When the news presents vague possibilities and suggests that you should decide the truth for yourself, they're fucking with you... ...they don't have it. But that's not what you're after, is it?

Okay, lemme turn it around on you guys. How many of you who follow vaping news actually read it expecting to learn something about the situation? If so, well god bless you. But if not, then why do you read it at all?

Excellent bit of expression here. Been looking at some ancient religious type of text recently. I do this from time to time as a means of distraction, gathering inspiration, fodder.

This one text I read was framed as a discussion between a king and a guru. It was a piece from way old India. The king wanted know the best way to rule and give his people happiness.

The guru explained that ultimately in his experience desire was a terrible vice. It took a bit for him to get the king to understand this point. Everyone, kings to common people always want to feel part of something larger, feel better than others.

No, this isn't a story where you get taught humility or anything like that. The guru continued because once the king understood desire was really bad, he knew the guru would have a remedy. In his tales so far the guru had held off on revealing the ultimate evil.

Finally at his ends, the king told the guru he had to reveal secreted evil being. The guru smiled, nodded and spoke, "the greatest evil creature is something we all must battle for ourselves, it lies inside us and is called me." Alright, in part maybe there was a tiny lesson there.

My question after reading your expression goes hand in with this. Do you think we for whatever rationale desire fantasy to placate the me? How do we go beyond that, if so?