E-cig advocates push back against formaldehyde report - But they miss the main point

[5150sick]

"We're told that e-cigs that use 5-volts or more turn out to be only about 20-percent of what's sold here at Duay's business, Tiger Vapes in Shreveport. She also questioned the methods and conclusions of that new study.

"It's from one study off of one product, when I have studies that show 16-different products with 50-percent less than a traditional cigarette has in it," added Duay."

http://www.ksla.com/story/27928442/e-cig-advocates-push-back-against-formaldehyde-report


From Dr. Michael Siegel's blog:

"Based on calculations by Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos from data provided in the article, the resistance was no higher than 1.7 ohms. At a voltage of 5.0V, the wattage would be 14.7W. That is in the "red zone" where the vaporizer is being overheated and where, for a conventional e-cigarette, the coils would likely be damaged or burned.

Essentially, what this study demonstrates is that if you overheat a vaping system, it will produce high levels of formaldehyde. However, such conditions are not realistic, as they could not be tolerated by an actual vaper. Therefore, extrapolating from this study to a lifetime of vaping is meaningless."

So the vape shop owners either have never taken a dry hit before or that part was conveniently edited out by the media outlet.


I have a homemade 120 watt raptor box that is set to 5.5 volts but I run it at .4 ohms (75 watts) and That's my sweet spot for max VG dripper use.
Without a dry hit everything runs smooth.
I can not or would not even attempt to take a 4 second puff! (The "puff" length used in the study)
I SOAK my drippers and think I may have gotten 3 dry hits in my 2 1/2 years of vaping.

The point is:
If you fire any mod at any voltage with barely any juice on the coil the smoking machine they use to collect info will find all types of bad shit.
Shit that no one in the real world would ever inhale!!!


But if everyone keeps saying 5 volts is the magic number I can see vaporizers in our future that are not allowed to go above 4.2 volts by law.

That would mean we would be back to actually having to modify our mods in order to vape happily!


EDIT: By Dr Farsalinos
"the authors used a top-coil CE4 atomizer "

Well that explains everything!

http://www.ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/2013-04-07-09-50-07/2015/192-form-ver

 

[BigNasty]

Plastic melts, who would have thought that.

 

[5150sick]

Plastic melts, who would have thought that.

Their target audience is people they are trying to scare into thinking there is a "sin" that needs to be taxed.
Therefore stupid headlines like "Vaping is 15 times worse than smoking" become necessary to push their agenda.

You know this already though

 

[5150sick]

Fuck them!

 

[BigNasty]

Fuck them!

But but it is for the children!

 

[M5amhan]

i read somewhere that not only were they running the CE4 at 5 volts but they did consecutive puffs

also the fact they are using volts instead of watts and a CE4 just shows how little they understand about vaping. amazing how quick the propaganda spreads

they also admitted that ecigs contain no formaldehyde when used properly per their "test" using 3.3 (or 3.7?) volts on the CE4, another part people are missing

how about we do the same study using a nautilus mini, a kayfun, and an orchid at 8 watts, 14 watts, and 20 watts with fully saturated cotton and silica wicks? then we have a starting point for real science

 

[5150sick]

i read somewhere that not only were they running the CE4 at 5 volts but they did consecutive puffs

also the fact they are using volts instead of watts and a CE4 just shows how little they understand about vaping. amazing how quick the propaganda spreads

they also admitted that ecigs contain no formaldehyde when used properly per their "test" using 3.3 (or 3.7?) volts on the CE4, another part people are missing

how about we do the same study using a nautilus mini, a kayfun, and an orchid at 8 watts, 14 watts, and 20 watts with fully saturated cotton and silica wicks? then we have a starting point for real science

The main problem is that tobacco control knows how to study Cigarettes.
So they get the funding to do the vaping study and then go and dust of the old "smoking machine"
Using unrealistic methods that could never or rarely be replicated in the real world and apply it to all of vaping.
This creates confusion for smokers looking to switch and politicians wanting to tax and/or ban.
It's really a win win for Big Tobacco.
Did you ever think tobacco control would protect the cigarette market from such a disruptive technology?

 

[nightshard]

You are missing the point, in the form of some questions:
Who ordered this report, while making sure the scientists were testing the wrong thing in a wrong way and were basically clueless?
Were they clueless or were they payed to pretend they were clueless?
How did the press get their hands on it so fast?

 

[Browncoat]

The media is at the mercy of its advertising dollars and its political agenda.

In case you didn't already know, nearly 90% of the world's media is controlled by these mega corporations:

1. AOL Time Warner
2. Disney
3. Bertelsmann
4. Viacomm
5. News Corporation

Every one of these corporations own major movie studios, national and local newspapers, book publishing companies, cable networks, magazines, and even billboard companies. Most of what you read, watch, and hear is controlled by these guys.

Guess how many of these arenas vaping has a presence in? Zero. Care to take a guess how much money Big Tobacco and Big Pharma toss at the media? This stuff isn't leaked to the press, it's controlled by the press and its advertisers. The vaping industry is just some homeless kid peeking in the windows from outside in the cold.

 

[4biddenArtist]

Hell yes!! VIVA LA VAPE! I am just so irritated by people at work that see some media generated news coverage and then approach me and tell me how certain liquids in e cigs have been found to be toxic and that there are big health risks associated... How do I wake them up and get their brains thinking?
Today a coworker of mine stated that there was a lady on the bus and it was crowded and someone puffed on a vape and she was scared of inhaling something harmful like nicotine or formaldehyde and that it needs to be regulated, i just said "well we all have to inhale the methane from people farting, right?" Lets see the govt regulate our flatulence. I mean come on!!! People see one unscientific propaganda report and think they know the science.. Oh it is sooo irritating.

 

[Browncoat]

...i just said "well we all have to inhale the methane from people farting, right?" Lets see the govt regulate our flatulence.

They've tried to regulate methane from farms (animal poop) for years, and in some instances, even been successful at it. Nothing is untouchable where Uncle Sam is concerned.