Fiancee wants to make the switch from stinkies-what strength?

[conanthewarrior]

Hi people.

I have been shown some calculators to use, and advised already how to create to the strength required.

Now, this is not for me, it is for my fiancee. She will be using a Sig50 (her 30 broke) and a nautilus mini.

At first I was thinking 18MG due to what is available in local shops, but then realised they are made for the crappy batteries and CE4 tanks, so that would be far too high.

I am thinking of maybe somewhere between 8-12 MG, she smokes about 10 cigarettes a day. She wants to be able to use the vape regularly, but satisfy her craving. I understand to be able to do this, it needs to not be too strong.

What strength do you think is a good idea to try starting at, then from there we can go higher/lower depending on her withdrawal.

I did explain to her if she had a cigarette do not see it as failing, as although vaping looks similar to smoking, it is absorbed slightly slower due to the size of the molecules of vapour being larger than smoke molecules (Correct me if I have that wrong, I am sure I read it though).

So, what do you think, using the nautilus mini at between 11-15 watts depending on flavour and what she prefers, strength should we start at? I was thinking 12, but am worried that might be too much after someone said even that is quite high with these type of devices, they produce much more vapour than the crappier cheap products, and she wants to be able to enjoy the flavour as well, kind of use it for the same length of time it takes to smoke a cig.

She does know she can use it whenever she feels the need, so that part is covered, vaping in my house is fine (smoking is banned, vaping is fine though).

I just want to help her get off the stinkies, and she did make the decision herself this time to switch to vaping. As you may know we was a bit rocky, but she is back to normal now, and we are happy again, she was unwell but now is well.

Thanks everyone, Conan.

 

[Teresa P]

Half a pack per day isn't very heavy, in all honesty I think I'd start a little lower, maybe 6mg. You can always adjust upward if it isn't enough, but the poor dear has had enough sickness lately, we'd hate to add "nic sick" to that if she's started too high.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Half a pack per day isn't very heavy, in all honesty I think I'd start a little lower, maybe 6mg. You can always adjust upward if it isn't enough, but the poor dear has had enough sickness lately, we'd hate to add "nic sick" to that if she's started too high.

Couldn't agree more. Most of my addiction is the "hand to mouth" action. I started at 24 on a vape pen from a pack a day. I personally think I started too high and developed a high nic addiction than what I was getting from stinkies. Start Low, if DIY you can always add more nic, if buying premixed get higher nic of same flavor and mix it with the 6mg.

 

[Semi Reduction]

Yea better to start low and see if she's getting enough throat hit, as a pose to starting high and having her cough her lungs out as an introduction, which is the case for many. I'd agree with Teresa. 6mg and get her to take a short inhale to start with. Always takes a little while to adjust, even nic free still has an itch on the throat when you're not used to it

 

[conanthewarrior]

Ok, 6MG it is then. It seems so odd, when I started vaping first time round a few years ago, the best thing was EGO batteries and CE4 clearomizers. With that, you could buy 24MG from the shop, and I used that myself! But, they produce less vapour than a MOD on its lowest setting, so that is probably why.

She has vaped before, until a few days ago when her sig 30 broke, and enjoyed using a RDA but only on a 30 watt device with no nicotine. I ordered a replacement on saturday, it got posted today but I got her the 50 as an upgrade, as it was part of her birthday present, she would do the same for me so I don't mind.

She will be using a nautilus mini plus a sigelei 50 watt should be here tommmorow for her, along with nicotine concentrate and flavours. She will be using between 11-15 watts on the nautilus mini, and that seems to be its sweet spot, so the battery should last her all day.

She wants me to deal with the battery side of things, she feels unsafe handling charging the batteries, I don't mind doing that for her. I am pretty sure the sigs chip onboard charging is OK, so even if she was running low at home she could charge, I have gone through safety with her, but I will ensure each night she goes back to hers with a full battery, so shouldn't have to, unless she stays up all night vaping (Insomnia someties, so possible).

I can't believe it. 6MG. That makes me happy though, as I/She will save loads on nicotine concentrate lol!

 

[Huckleberried]

Totally agree, 6mg should be fine. I consider 10 cigs a day to be a very light smoker. You can always tweak the strength. Maybe mix up some 5-10ml samples and see how she does. Good luck to her!

 

[lirruping]

I started way too high and I could hardly vape.. it would've been ideal to have a few different strengths to switch between at first. For me, like so many, it was/is so much about the hand to mouth thing.

At first I was concerned that I wouldn't be getting enough--that's why I started so high. If she has this worry, you can assuage it by hooking her up with some choices.

 

[sketchness]

I personally think 6 is low for a nautilus mini. And some juices will not like the 11 watts. The battery life will be awesome but it has pretty much zero to do with vapor production. The nautilus mini is a great tank and was the bridge that helped me quit smoking. But it lacked the punch I needed. You don't mention which 10 a day she is smoking either which helps determine nic level.

Since you have the ability to tailor nic level I like the suggestion above about different nic levels. I am going to guess it lands somewhere around 10mg. Good flavor and throat hit without vaping all day long to get the nic needs satisfied.

 

[Heabob]

Pack a day here and started out with 18mg, was too strong and dropped to 10-12mg mighty quick like.
Had to start DIY soon after cause I couldn't find any 6mg locally.
Well that, plus most all the pre-made juice was yukky.

 

[2ohm6]

I went from a pack a day to 18mg...for a few weeks until I dropped to 12mg where I stayed for several months. This was with a mini PT2 so I'd say get the same flavor in 6 and 12 and see what works.

 

[VinceV1]

In the morning it's long to get nicotine from ecig in the blood.

Nicotine gums are great in addition.

 

[Dixie1954]

I am a user of the *crappier* gear tyvm. I started out at 24 moved down to 18 and now am at 14. I agree that if you can make or buy more than 1 strength it will help - some people do 3 different strengths of nic a day, myself I do nic in Tobacco flavored juice and 0mg nic in non tobacco flavored juice. On a side note I just stopped buying cigs this month and have been vaping for a year - so patience and perseverance works. Best of Luck! P.S. I was down to 5-7 cigs a day when I started vaping - we are all different.

 

[Deeks]

I went from a pack a day to 18mg...for a few weeks until I dropped to 12mg where I stayed for several months. This was with a mini PT2 ..

This is exactly what I did. I think at my highest point I had 6 PT2s in rotation all with 12mg juice. Then I got brave, bought a Nimbus clone, whipped up some 29gauge dual coils, dripped some 12mg juice and about ripped my throat out lol.. I went straight to 3mg right after that and never looked back!

 

[conanthewarrior]

I will make her a 12, 9, and 6 MG strength then, see what works for her. A lot of it is mental though, so I think if she believes it will work, which she does, it will work. Like when i quit I had the outlook I have stopped alcohol and ******, this will be a doddle, and it was. She has quit benzos and the brown too, so it should be a lot easier than they were.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Well, today she used a 6MG strength, I hadn't noticed but she only used to smoke half a ciggarette anyway, so really it is more like 10 half cigarrettes, so 5 a day but more spaced out. She came to mine at about 5, would usually have a few cigarettes at mine, she went to grab one I said "try the vape first, you might be surprised".

She didnt' have 1 cigarette at mine, and also preferred the fact she didn't have to go outside.

It took around 14 'puffs" to make her feel like she no longer needed a cigarette, she is happy with that, I realise that will not use much juice but she like the 6MG for now. I asked if she wanted to use a lower or higher strength, she said no, the 6MG feels OK.

I thought it was a big step that she used the vape the whole time instead of cigarettes. I don't know if at home (I have walked her home now) she will have a ciggarette, but at least she avoided some. She said she will use the vape most likely as she quite likes the flavour and it does satisfy her.

Only thing is her dad doesn't like the smell. He smokes in the house, but does not like the smell of sweet cappucino. I think the man is a bit of a pleb myself who doesn't really help her, so no wonder he doesn't like it. She is just going to shut her door and put down something by the door so he can not smell it. After all, it is just vapour, it doesn't stink like smoke does, but he does not mind that. Very odd man.

 

[sketchness]

That's awesome! Hope it sticks for her! Maybe a different flavor won't upset the old man?

 

[conanthewarrior]

That's awesome! Hope it sticks for her! Maybe a different flavor won't upset the old man?

Trust me, it would. He does not like the smell of deodarant either or perfume. Cigarrette is fine, but anything that smells remotely nice he does not want. She likes the cappucino the best so far, she tried all the flavours I have when I had no nic but the cappucino was her favourite, and her dad is a big coffee drinker too, he is just an asshat.

I am learning all these American words, some are quite fun lol.

 

[MistyMe]

If she continues to have trouble, you can make her up a bottle of unflavored (and therefore unscented) juice that she could use when needed at home. If it's mostly VG, it just tastes kind of sweet and pleasant. It's not as much fun as vaping the great flavors, but it might help prevent family issues from push her back to smoking. I hope things work out well.

 

[conanthewarrior]

She had a cigarette as soon as she woke up this morning, but said she then realised after waking fully she had a vape, so that has been the only cigaratte of the day. Even an unscented PG VG mix would make him moan. He just enjoys moaning, I think it might be his hobby.

But, one ciagrette today, the rest was all vape. She is getting satisfied after arount 16-20 puffs, is that around the right level? I know most people would go through a whole tank a day, but as she was only smoking half a cigarette before throwing it, it kind of makes sense she would have less.

She doesn't want to go down in the nicotine yet, she wants to get used to using it first, and because it satisfys her craving, shes fine with the 6. Over the comings weeks/months, we will slowly bring it down, till eventually a hopeful 0 MG. She then wants to have some fun, on the RDA's and that, knowing she can vape as much as she wants without the risk of 'nic sick'.

But for the next few months I see the nautilus mini and the sig 50 being her go to device.

It is working so far, so hoepfully it works in the long term. She is getting the occasional cough, getting used to it, but she knows within a week she will be ready.

 

[Huckleberried]

Conan that's wonderful! And from all I've read from you about her dad, he does sound like an asshat that will only complain until he's the one helping her. Good job on helping her!

 

[conanthewarrior]

Huckleberried, there is a lot of history there, but put it this way. She is a grown woman. When she had her seizures a few weeks ago, it was lucky I was there in a way as I am epilepsy trained, he knows this but will never admit it.

I had to clear her airways with my fingers twice as she was aspirating phlegm after the seizure, once she was up and about the ambulance staff asked me to hold her up and help her with her oxygen mask, as they could tell she was comfortable around me and felt safer with me there.
I got covered in her phlegm and vomit, but I didn't care, I only cared for her and her making it. I could not lose her now, we had sorted things, and was going to have a happy life, I prayed for her to live. I wouldn't class myself as religious, but I prayed many times.

Somehow he turned up. He did not overtake my role of holding her, holding on her oxygen mask as she kept removing it due to being post-ictal, sitting up on the bonnet of the first response car, and also told me 'I do not want you coming to see my daughter in hospital'.

I said I will do what SHE wants, so we asked who she wanted to go hospital, and three times, in front of her dad, she said, I want Conan.

Her dad was adamant we had no relationship though, and she asked if I can't come with her to come visit her. The next day though we both come up with an idea- I can respect the smegheads wishes whilst still keeping in Contact. The ward she was on was not a heart ward or anything, so mobile phones were allowed in Southend hospital (I don't know if the USA allow phones in hospitals now, they have been allowed for a few years in the UK now).

We had 2 hour talks instead of me going up there, so I still was there for her, and made sure she was alright, but I knew if I went up there it could of caused a fight. A hospital is not the place for that, so I made the more adult decision to not visit, and keep in contact by phone.

She is home now,around 2 weeks she has been home, and our relationship is stronger than it has ever been. We have watched eachnother nearly die, she helped save me, and I had a big problem with alcohol. She put up with this for 2 and a half years, so I thought what is 6-8 months of her being ill?

She has told her dad we are together, and always will be, which I actually truly believe. We are only mid 20's, she is obviously not my first Girlfriend though, but she is also my best friend. If I try something new, she also wants to try it, and usually has fun along the way.

She was replaced by a monster for 6 -8 months the past year, it turned out it was due to a very severe addiction to benzodiazepenes (vaium and similar drugs).

I knew she took them for anxiety, but she was on such a high dose they said it was kind of like she was drunk all the time, which explains all the bitchiness, hurt, and what she has done during that time.

Now, she is like she was a year ago, happy, with a smile that lights the room up. She has told me she DOES need me, some other stuff she does not remember before the seizures but I believe her, she has told me the same things since, sober.

150MG equivalent diazepam a day will make you blackout. She had 4 seizures in total. Now she has had them, I think they are finally over, last one was about 2 weeks ago. She is now drug free, completely.

If I am honest we might as well be married, the only thing different to a married couple is a piece of paper, so I am not bothered. She took my ring, and wants to get married, and as soon as we have the money, we are getting married.

But, I thought it was disgusting of her dad to say that while his daughter could be dying in front of him, that 'I can not visit and there is no relationship' but that just shows to me, that , unfortunately, he does not care about her. Unbeknown to me, she had a seizure earlier in the day at home. He did NOT phone an ambulance.

Oh yeah, he also has the hump with me for 'dobbing her in it' as I phoned the hospital, said you have a seizure patient coming in, it is benzo withdrawal. They thanked me, and said as soon as she is in will find out more. I phoned an hour later, and they said the DR's and ambulance staff suspected that, but with my information it may well of saved her life as it saved a lot more tests before she got treatment.

So, for saving her life twice, he dislikes me. I am not sure if he wants her dead or just really hates her. But I do dislike the man with a passion, he only cares about himself and his weed, not his son or daughter like a father should.

There has been many similar incidents, with him even attacking her once and she left the house, stayed at mine and a halfway house. He apologised, she has only gone back to have a roof over her head, but most days are spent with me. Even if we just chill out for the day, it is with her. She was agoraphobic, but is no longer due to me helping her.

It seems like all the help her family should of provided, it has been me and my family that has done it, I know this is long but want people to understand why I extremely dislike the man. I can give more examples, this is just the most recent.