Groove II

[VH fan]

Not convinced this is superior to the MVP , battery seems better but the look is brutal , ugly as sin and the MVP can be had for the same price if not lower .

The big question is , does it have the same flat signal or does it have the all too popular and inferior pulse width modulation .

 

[bbybee]

The Groove ll uses pulse width modulation.

 

[Celtic Fog]

You can pretty the Groove II up with one of these JWraps, http://www.jwraps.com/
And you can get one for under $40 dollars here, http://www.madvapes.com/the-groove-2.html

They fit in the hand way better than the mvp and stand out more, in my opinion. Im a big guy, the mvp was like holding a grain of rice, i felt like i would drop it, the Groove fits in my hand like a champ.

 

[Doots]

If i dont like the look of a mod I dont buy one.. No matter if it is better or worse. I like the groove better because it fits in the hand better for me.

 

[dinkgirl]

I have 2 of the Groove 2's and several MVP 2's. I prefer the Groove 2 over the MVP because of battery life and the way it fits in my hand and I have fairly small hands.

 

[Scuba-Matt]

Smokies review

 

[hazozita]

The shape of the Groove is nicer than the MVP (in terms of hand comfort) but what I really like about the Groove is the button placement. I never found the button on the MVP to be right for me. The top-located button on the Groove lets me fire it with either my index finger or my thumb (depending on how the Groove is gripped). Much more comfortable for these old hands of mine.

The Groove also has a longer time before cut-off. I was always running up against the 10 second cutoff on the MVP. The Groove is closer to 15 seconds. It can also fire down to 1 ohm.

The downside is the build quality. The button on the Groove rattles and the overall fit and finish of the case is a notch below that of the MVP. All in all, however, I prefer the Groove.

 

[VH fan]

I forgot about this thread , thanks everybody for your responses , i rarely ever see praise or much talk about the Groove compared to the MVP , very surprising .

 

[VaporJoe]

The Groove ll uses pulse width modulation.

So is the MVP

 

[bbybee]

So is the MVP

That's what I thought. PB's review show both MVP l & ll not to be pwm.

 

[Sirkris]

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[VH fan]

That's what I thought. PB's review show both MVP l & ll not to be pwm.

I have heard many times one of the MVP's claim to fame is it's Provari like flat signal that does not have the rattlesnake effect like so many other mods in this category . If the Groove has that same flat signal (or whatever it's popular terminology is) that the MVP has it's a win win but most do not .

Pulse width modulation may be the term for that rattlesnake effect many talk about , if thats the case the MVP is indeed different.

 

[bbybee]

I only own 2 regulated mods: a Vamo 2 and Sigelei ZMax 2. Both are pulse width modulation. Because of that, even when I'm using an rba or rda that I've built in the range that I could use them on one of my regulated (1.3 or higher), I most of the time will use a mech. I vape mostly tobacco juices, some NET and some diy, but when hit repeatedly with the higher voltage of a pwm regulated mod (close to if not 6 volt), they gunk up the coil and get a burnt taste much faster.

 

[Celtic Fog]

the Groove II works best with cartomizers and clearomizers with bdc or bhc type coils at 1.5 being the lowest up to 3.0 , you want to be at around 1.8 for your resistance. Its not recomended to use rda or rba's on them, not sure what the mvp states. With the Groove II, you can just set the wattage to your liking for desired flavor with each juice. I have found in my own personal experience that nothing taste good over 10w, it starts to burn the juice and kills the coils fast. I use a Kanger Giant on my Groove and have 1.8 ohm BDC coils i use for it, I have some 1.5 in route so that I can test them out, once I give them a go, Ill let you know how it does.

 

[VH fan]

Thanks everybody , yeah the Groove II sounds just like what the MVP is good with but has even more battery power, curious how long can that sucker go between charges. I would assume multiple days of on/off vaping.

 

[Lefty]

Gotvapes' info page on them states - Lowest resistance atomizer is 1.0 ohms; Highest resistance is 5.0ohms. Perhaps they're misinformed, I couldn't say.
So what exactly is the difference between 1.5 ohms in a carto or clearo and 1.5 ohms in - oh, anything else? Just curious.

 

[bbybee]

The biggest differences as far as I know. MVP can be used while charging and is not pulse width modulation. Groove has bigger mah battery and some say fits in hand better. Too many choices!!

 

[Celtic Fog]

with the amp limit set to 5a and watts set at 15w, it can handle down to 1.12 ohms, using the ohms law. If you go under that, you are doing so at your own risk to the device. They do make .8 coils that will run on the Groove, but in actuality, it gets kicked up to around 1.12. SMOK recommends nothing under 1.5 for the device. And 1.5 is 1.5 no matter what device it is in =) I have a feeling they recommend tanks and cartomizer styles to avoid damage to the device from leaking RDA's.

 

[Lefty]

Looks like Gotvapes missed the recommendations. They actually were the first I ran across that gave ohm limits. Smoktech's product page makes no mention other than the 5 amp limit and the volt and watt range. I assume the recommendations are in the manual? They sell cartos and clearos that don't leak? Will wonders never cease .

 

[Celtic Fog]

Just using the math...Ohms Law. Here is a calculator that really helps to understand limits and proper usage.
http://www.onlineconversion.com/ohms_law.htm

 

[Celtic Fog]

I am sketchy about using cartos on this device personally. I use Kangertech Giants.

 

[Lefty]

I'm a little foggy on this. Are these your recommendations or Smoks? I get Ohm's law thanks. 1 ohm wasn't my recommendation as a limit it was Gotvape's (and others, it's the usual copy and paste identical info list on most sites). I'm pretty clear you use Giants. The question was whether the manual gave the 1.5 limit. It's a Zmax chip. Perhaps those numbers are simply what it will fire, not a recommendation on what to use if you plan to run it at it's limits, I can't say. Just wondering where Smok's recommendations are listed as they don't seem to be generally available.

 

[Celtic Fog]

Its not a manual lefty, its the math. It can only handle what the 5a and 15w can handle.....you can put anything you want on it...weather or not it will work is a different story. Ill find any specific data I can inside the manual for you. If your running 1.0 it will max out your system, you will have to run it at the full 15w so it is possible, it is safe, but you risk running down your battery a lot faster.

 

[Celtic Fog]

if you really want to push it.... you can push it down to .6 running it at 3v and 15w...don't expect much from it for long at that point however. It will most likely read 99 error code if you tried this however, the chip is regulated.

 

[bbybee]

Not sure why you need 25w to run 1ohm?

 

[Celtic Fog]

re-read bbybee 1.0 needs 15w...thats what i wrote.

 

[Celtic Fog]

This is not a device made for sub ohm operation. They say it is intended for clearo's and carto's....
and running a 1.0 WILL be KICKED UP TO 1.12 due to amp max output. Even when set to 3v at 15w it will kick the 1.0 to 1.12 during use.

 

[bbybee]

re-read bbybee 1.0 needs 15w...thats what i wrote.

You mean, that's what you re-wrote.
You are right, it's not intended for sub-ohming. That's why we love the dna, chna, etcna.....

 

[Celtic Fog]

sure bbybee, your so clever. This is a thread talking about the groove however...

 

[bbybee]

sure bbybee, your so clever.

Aw shuck. Thanks for noticing.

 

[Lefty]

I see, what you originally described as Smok's recommendations are yours. No problem, just want to be clear. I thought I made it pretty clear that those numbers were not my recommendation but rather the info that Smok is putting out there but perhaps not. I'm assuming that "they" recommending clearo's and carto's is you as well then. No need to search the manual thanks. I do suspect however that Smok knows that they are playing a little loose with their numbers as specific instructions on how to reset the chip is included in their boilerplate descriptions.

 

[Celtic Fog]

it is THEIR recommendation to use clearos and cartos....and yes, they of course are going to be loosey goosey with their numbers being printed...they would sell less units if they put that in plain english....

 

[Lefty]

I'm rapidly losing interest but one last time. Where are they making these recommendations?

 

[Celtic Fog]

And in their bold print, they say you CAN use an atomizer. So I will stand corrected on that.

 

[Celtic Fog]

I'm rapidly losing interest but one last time. Where are they making these recommendations?

Im sure you wont like it, you should stick to 50w and100w machines or mechanical mods.

 

[Lefty]

And in their bold print, they say you CAN use an atomizer. So I will stand corrected on that.

Good god man, "in bold print". Where are they saying this??

 

[Celtic Fog]

Have i mentioned yet how sub ohmers annoy the shit out of me....and here is why. "Its a crap machine if I cant get 1.0 or lower out of it or if the batteries last more than 2 hours"....bah.

 

[Celtic Fog]

Good god man, "in bold print". Where are they saying this??

SmokTech reintroduces the Groove with the Groove II. Everything you loved about the orginal Groove remains the same.

All the small screws that hold the device together are now flat instead of pointed, so you no longer have to worry about the

battery getting punctured if you drop it. The battery has also been reinforced, making it very difficult to ever come loose or rattle.



This is a variable volt, variable watt mod. The Groove adjusts from 3.0 to 6.0 Volts in .1 volt increments or 3.0 to 15 Watts in .

5 Watt increments and has a cool backlit OLED display. The Groove has a maximum output of 5 Amps.

The Groove can read your output voltage, battery voltage and cartomizer / atomizer resistance. This mod does it all.



The 510 connector will accept any 510 tank, atomizer or cartomizer and has a channel around the 510 connector so you can

use 510 eGo style cartomizers or tanks. This device does not have eGo threading, and requires an adapter for use with

certain clearomizers and tanks that have only the large eGo threading. With the power of varaible volt you can use almost any 510 tank or carto you have.

There are ample vent holes in the side of this APV for added safety

The groove has an internal 3.7V, 3800mAh Li-polymer battery that lasts far beyond most other batteries. Included with the

APV are a mini USB to USB cable for charging with a computer and a USB to AC adapter for charging with a wall outlet.

The Groove cannot be used while it is being recharged.

The button on the top of the Groove can turn the device on and off with 5 quick pushes. Read the resistance of your cartomizer

or tank by holding the "+" button for 3 seconds. Easily adjust Voltage or Wattage by using the "+" or "-" button. Hold down the "+" and "-" buttons together for 3 seconds to switch between Voltage and Wattage. Output Voltage or Wattage is displayed when you press

down the top button. Battery Voltage is displayed by pressing the "-" button for 3 seconds.

The Groove only needs a 510 style tank, cartomizer, CE4 and some e-liquid and it is a complete ready to go unit with nothing else to buy!

This is from their website.

 

[Celtic Fog]

You sure do ask a lot of questions, for a know it all....

 

[Lefty]

Im sure you wont like it, you should stick to 50w and100w machines or mechanical mods.

WTF?

 

[Lefty]

I see, they recommend that you need e-liquid and something that will screw on to put it in. Got it.

 

[bbybee]

VH, do you see what you've started! Celtic and Lefty are fighting and somebody threw my ball over the fence. Yes, the one with the big scary dog!!

I kid. Vape on, brethren, Vape ON!!!

 

[hazozita]

I see, they recommend that you need e-liquid and something that will screw on to put it in. Got it.

That’s exactly it. It’s a regulated device. If you put something on it that is too low in resistance, it will display an error message (“Low ohm”) and not fire. Just like any other regulated device. Nothing complicated or arcane about it.

As to what specifically you should or should not put on it, there are no conditions other than it needs to be able to screw into a 510 connection (or, if Ego threaded, screw onto an adapter, then the 510 on the Groove). Use a clearomizer, a cartomizer, a carto tank, a dripper, an rebuildable, whatever floats your boat. As long as it has a wick, a coil and juice, and is above the low-end of the Groove’s resistance limits, you’re good to go.

Keep in mind that taking quotes as-is from a manual for a Chinese product can be misleading due to translation issues when it was written. Manuals can be informative, but common sense also needs to be brought to bear.

 

[Celtic Fog]

Common sense, saving mankind for tens of thousands of years....kinda.

 

[Lefty]

That’s exactly it. It’s a regulated devoice. If you put something on it that is too low in resistance, it will display an error message (“Low ohm”) and not fire. Just like any other regulated device. Nothing complicated or arcane about it.

As to what specifically you should or should not put on it, there are no conditions other than it needs to be able to screw into a 510 connection (or, if Ego threaded, screw onto an adapter, then the 510 on the Groove). Use a clearomizer, a cartomizer, a carto tank, a dripper, an rebuildable, whatever floats your boat. As long as it has a wick, a coil and juice, and is above the low-end of the Groove’s resistance limits, you’re good to go.

Keep in mind that taking quotes as-is from a manual for a Chinese product can be misleading due to translation issues when it was written. Manuals can be informative, but common sense also needs to be brought to bear.

The point I was making. Sorry if the sarcasm confused it. The manual was only brought up to give him an out for these "SMOK" recommendations but he wouldn't take it.

 

[VH fan]

VH, do you see what you've started! Celtic and Lefty are fighting and somebody threw my ball over the fence. Yes, the one with the big scary dog!!

I kid. Vape on, brethren, Vape ON!!!

Hey man lol, don't bring me into it , my questions have already been answered .

 

[SMOKIE]

The majority of vapers who sub ohm drip. Unless your not working or have your own business I find it not practical to drip while at work for blue or white collar workers. Best for us is a regulated mod with a tank system. With the Groove 2 being a nice device for this.

 

[CrmsnKing]

I own both the MVP2 and Groove2. Even though the Groove is slightly more powerful, it all comes down to build quality. The Groove lasted about two months while my MVP is still going strong (almost a year). The MVP feels solid in your hand while the Groove felt kinda cheap(plastic).