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Has any one seen this and what do you think?
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I try not to think too much, about any of it.
Namely because the same people that brought us global cooling, are in charge of both sides of the research on ecigs.
Namely because the same people that brought us global cooling, are in charge of both sides of the research on ecigs.
Even being a vaper myself, I don't believe there is no negative things to be discovered about electronic cigarettes. They have already found evidence of heavy vaping leading to pneumonia (makes sense) and the dangers of nicotine in itself. It took them hundreds of years to discover the link between smoking and all the health problems associated with that, and will probably take our lifetimes to find out the dangers of vaping. In addition to that, that site is trying to sell juice which would make their opinion completely bias.
It's pretty simplistic and includes no real scientific substance. "No Toxic Effects" is a great headline but a pretty wide brush and we know it's likely not true for all juices.
It's also funded by British American Tobacco (BAT), which I wish didn't make any difference but for me it does.
Nice try ejuiceologist, but it's a fail for me
Huh? Both VG and PG have antimicrobial properties. I've been vaping and involved with the vaping community since early 2012 and know of nothing that leads me to believe that.
What dangers are associated with nicotine? There are a lot of health dangers associated with smoking, but nicotine is not part of that.
The bit about the pneumonia is third paragraph from the bottom. It has to do with the bacteria that causes pneumonia's defense getting stronger with exposure to nicotine. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/health-risks-e-cigarettes-emerge
As for nicotine: http://www.medicaldaily.com/its-not-smoke-its-nicotine-e-cigarettes-may-damage-arteries-265498
As of right now, there are little long term ill effects of nicotine, but the short term ones can be dangerous to those with preexisting conditions, similar to caffeine. It can increase heart rate and blood pressure, and with the amount many people are vaping at this can become very dangerous. Would you drink two pots of coffee a day and consider it healthy? No.
This is a published study from 2009 via the PMC on the effects of exposure to nicotine in lab rats: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2687081/
This study is a long read, but this one does not show many dangers besides the addictive property of the drug, which completely changed the rats behavior.
This report is more or less on cigarettes, but does talk about the effects of nicotine itself. http://www.metrohealth.org/nicotine-addiction-and-smokeless-tobacco
Vaping is still relatively new and although PG/VG may so far have shown no dangers in past studies, that may change once someone has been inhaling it for twenty years. Just as they deemed artificial sweeteners (as well as fluoride, red #3, ect) once safe, once people started consuming them in large quantities was when we began to see the negative effects. No, I am not bashing vaping, but we can't look at it as a 100% safe and "healthy" habit.
Carley, IMO that article is 'junk science' published to sell their product.
Is vaping safer than smoking? How much safer or less safe do you think it is? Is the following statement that ScienceNews published based on science or are they simply trying to sell news?
"Vaping pollutes lungs with toxic chemicals and may even make antibiotic resistant bacteria harder to kill."
The bold/italic/underline is mine.
It's crap, there is no science there or in any of the rest of their article.
If people were getting pneumonia from vaping we would have heard about it. If people were having issues with nic addiction from the patch or inhalers or from vaping we would know about it. All these problems would make headlines real quick if they happened because e-cigs and nicotine is so controversial these days. It's just not a problem IMO.
I know that e-cigs are not totally safe, but walking my dog is not totally safe either. We could be hit by a car every time we do that, but the risk IMO is small enough that it doesn't deter me. I try to keep an open mind in life and appropriate perspective on it all
Is vaping safer than smoking? How much safer or less safe do you think it is? Is the following statement that ScienceNews published based on science or are they simply trying to sell news?
"Vaping pollutes lungs with toxic chemicals and may even make antibiotic resistant bacteria harder to kill."
The bold/italic/underline is mine.
It's crap, there is no science there or in any of the rest of their article.
If people were getting pneumonia from vaping we would have heard about it. If people were having issues with nic addiction from the patch or inhalers or from vaping we would know about it. All these problems would make headlines real quick if they happened because e-cigs and nicotine is so controversial these days. It's just not a problem IMO.
I know that e-cigs are not totally safe, but walking my dog is not totally safe either. We could be hit by a car every time we do that
, but the risk IMO is small enough that it doesn't deter me. I try to keep an open mind in life and appropriate perspective on it all PG does ,,in 1951 the FDA approved PG to be pumped into the air systems in hospitals because of its anti-microbacterial properties ,it was still in practice until a few years ago when better air filtration methods were developed
i had a link to that exact report,but the link is not working ,dammit
True! To me, anything is better, however small or large the difference is, than inhaling up to 5,000 chemicals including arsenic, and a relative of deadly nightshade etc.
I think im picking up what your throwin dwnTrue! To me, anything is better, however small or large the difference is, than inhaling up to 5,000 chemicals including arsenic, and a relative of deadly nightshade etc.
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Cigarette smoke has more poisonous chemicals than rat poison. Ejuice, if made without harmful additives (been hearing about this lately, Chinese companies adding formaldehyde and all kinds of stuff? Don't know if true) only contains four ingredients or less. Now, too much of anything is bad for you, but I have to believe that vaping is safer than smoking just based on the number of ingredients in both. Does that mean its completely safe? Maybe, maybe not, but its got to be safer than smoking.
True that most def but heres my thing n youll get this we live in a country thats more worried about putting out antivape propo than keeping the city of st louis from turning into a nuclear waste dump so they could come out saying im gona lose my right arm n idk
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There are too many people TRYING to find something wrong with vaping instead of putting that same effort into finding the life saving advantages that are proven in our own bodies. If someone gave me a brand new sports car, I certainly wouldn't give them back the keys because I thought something "HAD" to be wrong with it. Show me all the dead vapers and I'll start to worry, but my body tells me to halt the witch hunt.
Totally, completely and utterly agree Teresa!! This was originally to hear what people think of the Tobacco company's involvement. We already know, as best we can, that vaping is 99.9% safer. I just feel that the involvement of these people is suspect in that they are selling closed systems.