HB2& 20R better than VTCs?

[DuckysVapeReviews]

Recently, in a post I made about the Invader 3, A newer member decided to "school me" on batteries. He is informing all that the HB2 is proven to be higher amps than the VTs we all love. He also stated 20Rs are better than VTCs as well. I have always stuck by my VTC4 in unregulated boxes, VTC5 in tubes. Am I wrong in my thinking? I just don't see most if not all major reviewers and coil gurus being wrong by recommending the vtcs. Please someone school me with the real. Now would be a good time for someone like @Jon@LiionWholesale to jump in

 

[f1r3b1rd]

I stick with whats proven time and time again.
the 25r is the best combination for all around battery, when you consider how easy it is find an authentic.
for my mechs, I wont use anything other than a vtc4 if I'm building low.

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

I stick with whats proven time and time again.
the 25r is the best combination for all around battery, when you consider how easy it is find an authentic.
for my mechs, I wont use anything other than a vtc4 if I'm building low.

I totally agree you. It kind of pushed my buttons with a newer member (199 posts) comes at me like I am stupid. All data I have ever seen on a 20R says max amps 22, Sony's do 30.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

I see what youre saying but, you cant base someone's knowledge base here on post count.
mooch comes in at times but doesn't post much; and he is a real battery authority.
in fact here are his test results on the HB2
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...a-true-30a-battery-along-with-the-hb6.696190/


still, I'm sticking with what I know, a 1500 mah battery wouldn't get me out of the driveway

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

I been following people like twisted messes, Rip, smokie etc for a while before I got into reviewing and they always (at least from what I saw) pushed the vtcs so when this guy posts that vtc's are inferior to the 20R even, kinda pushed some buttons. Pulled his post history, he seems to be a troll lol, not one positive comment. I ended the comments with the Kidney Puncher test results for all 3 cells. All my mechs run vtc and my regulated run 25R. Of course when I build my 100,000,000watt mod it will run Die Hard lol.

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

I see what youre saying but, you cant base someone's knowledge base here on post count.
mooch comes in at times but doesn't post much; and he is a real battery authority.
in fact here are his test results on the HB2
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...a-true-30a-battery-along-with-the-hb6.696190/


still, I'm sticking with what I know, a 1500 mah battery wouldn't get me out of the driveway

I been following people like twisted messes, Rip, smokie etc for a while before I got into reviewing and they always (at least from what I saw) pushed the vtcs so when this guy posts that vtc's are inferior to the 20R even, kinda pushed some buttons. Pulled his post history, he seems to be a troll lol, not one positive comment. I ended the comments with the Kidney Puncher test results for all 3 cells. All my mechs run vtc and my regulated run 25R. Of course when I build my 100,000,000watt mod it will run Die Hard lol.

 

[raymo2u]

Use the 25R and the LG HE4/HB6/HB4/HG2's if you can get them

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

Use the 25R and the LG HE4/HB6/HB4/HG2's if you can get them

What do you recommend for the Invader 3?

 

[vap3r]

...the HB2 is proven to [support] higher amps than the VTs we all love.

That is correct.

 

[martnargh]

Vtc4 and hb6 all day.

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[JERUS]

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...the-best-performer-hd2-vs-20r-vs-vtc4.734218/

I'm having trouble finding it, but I believe the HD2C is supposed to be slightly better than the VTC4 but at a lower 22amp rating compared to the HD2's 25amps.

Then as far as I understand the HB's are the only true 30amps, but like others have mentioned, I don't think I even get a full 2.5mL tank through the tube I use my HB2s on before I want to swap it out. Which isn't a big deal as it's not the one I bring on the road but it's worth mentioning. I use my VTC4s in my Noisy Cricket and they work better than the 25rs I typically use for most everything. I was thinking I'd pick up some HD2C's next time I go for some batteries but I'm more than good right now.

 

[martnargh]

I use hb6s in my series mech, its not as bad as youd think... theres a difference between those and vtc4s but its negligible.. they do run a million times cooler though than the vtc4s which is good when you run heavy vape sessions.

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[martnargh]

As a side note, the cricket itself is a hot little beast... thats my only problem with it. Shit gets hot as fuck, heat transfers through the whole body... i suggest getting something better.

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[Zamazam]

Use a Kepler 510 heat sink, I do and they freaking work!

 

[JERUS]

I don't vape tanks or chain vape on my NC. I just drip and vape it a few times every once in a while between my other handful of tanks that are set up. So I've encountered no heating issues. It's easily my best vape, I do have some stuff incoming though that may have me trying a tank on it.

 

[raymo2u]

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...the-best-performer-hd2-vs-20r-vs-vtc4.734218/

I'm having trouble finding it, but I believe the HD2C is supposed to be slightly better than the VTC4 but at a lower 22amp rating compared to the HD2's 25amps.

Then as far as I understand the HB's are the only true 30amps, but like others have mentioned, I don't think I even get a full 2.5mL tank through the tube I use my HB2s on before I want to swap it out. Which isn't a big deal as it's not the one I bring on the road but it's worth mentioning. I use my VTC4s in my Noisy Cricket and they work better than the 25rs I typically use for most everything. I was thinking I'd pick up some HD2C's next time I go for some batteries but I'm more than good right now.

The HG2 not the HD2C, the HG2 is a 20a rated cell but can be used at 28a without any damaged while still retaining 3000mah....its the only cell on the market with these qualities and LG oinly sells them to a handful of trusted battery pack manufacturers...they arent supposed to be for the public.....They have new cells coming out shortly with specs more like these also....but dont expect them to be on the market for a while...

What do you recommend for the Invader 3?

25R, HB4, or HG2. If its a regulated mod then I would actually suggest getting the Samsung 30Q or LG HB2/HB4's

 

[JERUS]

The HG2 not the HD2C, the HG2 is a 20a rated cell but can be used at 28a without any damaged while still retaining 3000mah....its the only cell on the market with these qualities and LG oinly sells them to a handful of trusted battery pack manufacturers...they arent supposed to be for the public.....They have new cells coming out shortly with specs more like these also....but dont expect them to be on the market for a while...

https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic...g_hd2c_25a_2100mah_18650_bench_test_resultsa/

That's what I was talking about, but isn't the post I was trying to find.

 

[raymo2u]

I thought you were looking at the wrong battery when posting that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic...g_hd2c_25a_2100mah_18650_bench_test_resultsa/

That's what I was talking about, but isn't the post I was trying to find.

You should try a search of the LG HG6 also, Mooch has some pretty high hopes that it will be a LG rated 25a/3000+mah 18650, the latest in battery chem and design, it will be the only battery I own once I can grab some...

 

[Rhett1977]

@raymo2u what will you do with your old batteries?

 

[raymo2u]

@raymo2u what will you do with your old batteries?

Build a Battery Cabin in the woods

 

[Zamazam]

Build a Battery Cabin in the woods

I thought it would be supplying a small nation with Lithium.

 

[raymo2u]

I thought it would be supplying a small nation with Lithium.

Im not sure if I have that many, I know I could rebuild a Prius's battery if needed

 

[Rhett1977]

@raymo2u You could always sell some off to us less fortunate souls like me. Hehe

 

[T702]

So the answer is no, vtc's are still the best??

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[Slurp812]

Recently, in a post I made about the Invader 3, A newer member decided to "school me" on batteries. He is informing all that the HB2 is proven to be higher amps than the VTs we all love. He also stated 20Rs are better than VTCs as well. I have always stuck by my VTC4 in unregulated boxes, VTC5 in tubes. Am I wrong in my thinking? I just don't see most if not all major reviewers and coil gurus being wrong by recommending the vtcs. Please someone school me with the real. Now would be a good time for someone like @Jon@LiionWholesale to jump in

We are splitting hairs here. I doubt there is much more than a few percent of difference between reputable cells of the same ratings.

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

We are splitting hairs here. I doubt there is much more than a few percent of difference between reputable cells of the same ratings.

To me, it's all about continuous Amp load in a mechanical. Let's face it, a 10A Sanyo will vent and explode before a 30A VTC will.

I have adopted this policy:
Regulated Device: 25R as even though most are adjustable to higher wattage nowadays, they have safety precautions to prevent venting anyways.
Mechanical: VTC s only. I always deal with same battery guy and all his cells check out, especially seeing as his site is called Genuine Cells lol.

Note: I do have some new efests I run in my new silver plated copper fuhattan, but I don't run it super low ohm with them. It's more of a pretentious, shiney mod thing that will occasionally see vape meet use.

 

[nightshard]

HB2/4/6 are true 30A while all the VTCs (3/4/5/5A) are not.
Sony states continuous 30A@80C which is misleading and not the same as continuous 30A.
In tests the VTC4 for example reached 97C (207F) at 30A.

VTC4 and 20R are said to be roughly the same with a slight advantage to the VTC4.

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

HB2/4/6 are true 30A while all the VTCs (3/4/5/5A) are not.
Sony states continuous 30A@80C which is misleading and not the same as continuous 30A.
In tests the VTC4 for example reached 97C (207F) at 30A.

VTC4 and 20R are said to be roughly the same with a slight advantage to the VTC4.

You may just have a point there, but LG batteries are a lot easier to counterfeit, we least all I have had in hand were counterfeit. The HB6 is 1600 mah, HB4 is 1500 mah, HB2 is 1500 as well. The VTC 5 is 2600 mah, VTC 4 is 2100 mah. Now I want it stated, I want no one to follow my lead, but, any battery that can operate at a certain amp level I will subject it to without venting or exploding, I might just run. I have had people come to me with "independent test results" showing Aspire's 18650 totally chill at 25A, also a ENook 18650 at 32A. Of course, these results were done in some Chinese lab somewhere. In my opinion, I am more comfortable running a VTC. They top lots of Best High Drain Battery For Sub Ohm Vaping lists. I even have some brand new 1600 mah EFests I plan to use. The main thing is to know battery safety and you can't argue against that. Battery safety, ohms law are a must and some kind of electrical knowledge is definitely HIGHLY recommended. I made a dude pissed at work because I decided against giving him a RDA and right out refused to sell him one because he didn't know crap about these essential subjects and blatantly said he didn't care about it, he just wanted to build some super low builds and kick clouds. We can argue over what the absolute best batteries are or we can agree there are a handful that kick ass, are recommended for a reason, and if used with even a hint of common sense, are great.

 

[nightshard]

How are LGs easier to counterfeit the VTCs? VTCs are the most counterfeited batteries around (well maybe besides AWs).
Any battery from any source has the potential if being a fake, the best you can do is buy them from a reliable source and if that source does it's own additional testing (like liion) it's even better.

Here are some tests that were not done is some Chinese lab:
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

How are LGs easier to counterfeit the VTCs? VTCs are the most counterfeited batteries around (well maybe besides AWs).

Here are some test that were not done is some Chinese lab:
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/

I am just saying locally there are some bad LGs going around. VTCs, if you check QR on them a all show a different number, 99% of counterfeiters are not gonna make a separate code for each. granted the LGs I seen were HG2s. Only way I seen to tell them apart was testing. They said something about LG uses textured washer thingies (white ring on top) and the fake shipments were shined. Vapor Stop and Vapor Saloon near me got a bad batch. I will agree HBs are excellent cells bro, just lower mah. I personally use Sony's for the higher mah not to go to like 0.001 and feel safe since I learned long ago with a hybrid style fully mechanical series mod the danger of going really low ohm.

 

[nightshard]

There's capacity and amp rating and each comes at the expense of the other.
That's why each manufacturer has several model for different applications.

If you want high capacity and 20A is enough for you then you can get the 30Qs or HG2s.
If you like the 25Rs or VTC5s you can get those instead for a bit less capacity.
If you must have 30A get the HB2/4/6
And if you want something in between get the VTC4s, 20Rs, HD2s, HD2Cs.
There are many options to choose from, just do yourself and don't use rewraps.

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

There's capacity and amp rating and each comes at the expense of the other.
That's why each manufacturer has several model for different applications.

If you want high capacity and 20A is enough for you then you can get the 30Qs or HG2s.
If you like the 25Rs or VTC5s you can get those instead for a bit less capacity.
If you must have 30A get the HB2/4/6
And if you want something in between get the VTC4s, 20Rs, HD2s, HD2Cs.
There are many options to choose from, just do yourself and don't use rewraps.

And use them using common sense. I am personally tried of hearing people cry because they use a dang good battery, but built a "totally epic 0.025 build" only to fry their switch or worse.

 

[nightshard]

The world is full of stupid people doing stupid things like using nickel with mechs, using mechs without having the slightest idea of what they're doing, using 5A ICRs in 300W regulated mods, etc..
I can only say what I can say, but I can't fix stupid.

 

[Slurp812]

To me, it's all about continuous Amp load in a mechanical. Let's face it, a 10A Sanyo will vent and explode before a 30A VTC will.

I have adopted this policy:
Regulated Device: 25R as even though most are adjustable to higher wattage nowadays, they have safety precautions to prevent venting anyways.
Mechanical: VTC s only. I always deal with same battery guy and all his cells check out, especially seeing as his site is called Genuine Cells lol.

Note: I do have some new efests I run in my new silver plated copper fuhattan, but I don't run it super low ohm with them. It's more of a pretentious, shiney mod thing that will occasionally see vape meet use.

And use them using common sense. I am personally tried of hearing people cry because they use a dang good battery, but built a "totally epic 0.025 build" only to fry their switch or worse.

I don't get that whole build lower to insanity thing. You can get more power from a triple cell mod without breaking a sweat. Just have to build generally above 0.1 ohms.

 

[Iliketurtles]

If you are hitting low ohm builds on a mech the HB series batteries don't sag as much or as quickly, even though they only 1500mah. You will get more big hits out of them because they can supply the current, that's not as important on a regulated mod. On a mech it is easily noticeable.

 

[martnargh]

vtc3/4 has always been my go to cells but i also run hb6s. hb series run cooler than vtc series but vtc series last longer, so i get higher voltage for longer.
should be receiving 25r's and hb4's here soon from liionwholesale, ive never used either so it should be interesting.
also, a few different sources state a theory that hb2, hb4 and hb6s are the same cell only manufactured for different distributors. whoever said hb6 is 1600, theyre 1500. im rolling with the ivories today but also have the pinks, some claim one is better than the other but they vape the same to me.

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