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Just heard that the first batch of mass production of Griffin 25 RTA made by Geekvape Technology was sent out yesterday. Do u make an order to get it?
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You can pre order it on a bunch of sitesting but I don't know who will receive them first I'm waiting to order one too
At last Griffin 25. We can't wait 
i pre-ordered it but havent received notice that it has shipped yet
Ordered both SS and black versions from FT, yeah, it'll take a while, but I just got the Boreas and have an Aromamizer Supreme on the way to keep me busy. Some amazing stuff coming out recently, hard (and costly) keeping up ;-)
ordered the Moonshot to tide me over until it ships
Just wanted to clarify and confirm that a small batch (approximately 1000 units) were sent out to retailers. So, figuring ~50 retailers, ~20 units per retailer. Considering that there are probably more preorders than units, not everyone will get them at the same time.
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Meh, Ill wait on it. Theres so many great RTAs that dropped already and more interesting ones coming. The Griffin is pretty standard as far as RTAs go.
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Mine shipped out a few days back, and since I contacted a metric fuck load of RTA manufacturers for my Reddit reviews (though not many responded, they ask for a youtube link and get a link to text reviews from an insane Serbian and kind of get put off, though a few did.) a bit back I got one sent to me. I'll be the first one to say it IS a lot better than the 22mm Griffin for a lot of reasons, but it is not a game changer. I like the Herakles 25mm RTA better, though I haven't gotten to use one yet. The build deck isn't even really bigger, you get a TINY, TINY amount more space, but the main thing on the deck that is larger is the posts. So if you use bigger wire, the 25mm will take them easier, the JFC isn't as loose and the airflow clicks. I got the top and topless airflow versions and the top airflow version vapes virtually identical to the Gemini. But it DOES NOT hold 6-7mls like it claims, it barely holds 5mls.
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Further examination has lead me to conclude the deck in terms of actual build space on the 25 isn't ANY bigger in terms of allowance of builds. So if it wouldn't fit in the Griffin 22, it won't fit in the 25. They're selling top airflow kits for the 22mm for $8 now too. The 25 just has clicking airflow and holds like, 1.5mls more juice. Seems a bit disappointing, you make something bigger you expect the perks of bigger devices to come with it but the 25mm Griffin does everything identical to the 22mm, it just holds a tiny bit more juice. I can't ride the Geekvape wave hype, though I do think the Tsunami 24mm looks promising. It seems Geekvape and Vaporesso alike just released me-too edition 25mm RTA's for a quick cash grab, because the only benefit to both of them is like 1.5mls extra capacity. The Griffin 25mm DOES NOT hold the 7mls it claims, no-where close actually.
I have to disagree with most of your post. I do agree with the extra 1.5ml juice, as I am only able to get 5.1ml (top airflow version). They only claim 6.2ml, not 7ml BTW. Still misleading, but I digress.
The deck is slightly larger, going from 16mm to 17.1mm, but there is a lot more to the deck than the size (which, while not much bigger, allows for an extra wrap on some builds and some bigger coil builds). The reason it's not a larger deck, is to allow more room between the glass and the juice flow holes (which are significantly larger) so that air doesn't get trapped like it does in the 22mm. The 2 main improvements on the deck are the airflow holes being much larger as well as the juice channels.
To call this tank disappointing is a fair opinion (not mine though). Compared to the other 25mm RTAs out, there aren't any I can say I am satisfied with. I want a 25mm with adjustable airflow, airflow that comes down from the top and then up from the bottom, a 24mm deck, at least 8ml of juice capacity, a top fill system I can do with one hand, and an option to remove the tank and use it as an RDA.
Basically, out of all the new 25mm RTAs out, the Griffin is simply the best all around RTA.
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To say this, I assume you own both the Boreas and the Supreme, right?
If not, can anyone who does own the Boreas draw some direct comparisons?
Yes. Supreme, the only thing I can say I like better about it is the juice capacity. The same with the Boreas. Although I do like the Boreas over the Supreme due to the separate decks (great for switching out different ohm builds) and build quality. The thing that completely makes the Boreas completely unusable for me is the combined airflow and juice flow adjustment.
Keep in mind, this is just my opinion. Also factored into my decision, is that I change coils nearly every other day, if not every day and that I need lots of juice flow because I have a PG allergy and use only 100% VG. I am also more of a flavor guy, so in the case of the Boreas, having to have wide open air to have wide open juice flow is no good.
There's so much else that goes into it for me personally, but I prefer the Griffin. I'm still waiting on my herk RTA and Gemini Mega to arrive before I pick my overall favorite.
That's what I love though about Vaping. There's so many different options that no matter what your preferences are, there is definitely something out there that is great for you. And if someone can't decide, just wait a month or two and there'll be a bunch more options.
Have a good one
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Actually, it's super easy to do this on the Boreas... just open the ring to the 4 hole position, then close the ring slightly till the holes are misaligned. You can go all the way down the less than two hole airflow, while still having your JFC wide open!
There's people vaping 100vg juice out of the Boreas, with no dry hit problems at all. Try this and let me know how it works, I'll bet it solves your problem
LoLz I'm twisting some coils up now. I can't believe I didn't see this. It does seem like it could work, but I'm just wondering if it will stay in position after moving the tank around (in and out of pocket etc.).Actually, it's super easy to do this on the Boreas... just open the ring to the 4 hole position, then close the ring slightly till the holes are misaligned. You can go all the way down the less than two hole airflow, while still having your JFC wide open!
There's people vaping 100vg juice out of the Boreas, with no dry hit problems at all. Try this and let me know how it works, I'll bet it solves your problem
I know it's nitpicking, but I wish there was separate controls.
Thanks for the tip m8
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I'm half drunk so I dot followActually, it's super easy to do this on the Boreas... just open the ring to the 4 hole position, then close the ring slightly till the holes are misaligned. You can go all the way down the less than two hole airflow, while still having your JFC wide open!
There's people vaping 100vg juice out of the Boreas, with no dry hit problems at all. Try this and let me know how it works, I'll bet it solves your problem
That's the problem. You gotta drink more to get it
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My ring is pretty stiiff, I think you'll be fine.
Personally, I was back and forth between 2 and 3 holes, but now I actually prefer 4 holes mostly closed to the 2 hole setting, as it spreads out the airflow more. May be all in my head, but I prefer the flavor.
Personally, I was back and forth between 2 and 3 holes, but now I actually prefer 4 holes mostly closed to the 2 hole setting, as it spreads out the airflow more. May be all in my head, but I prefer the flavor.
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The deck is not 17.1mm, just like the Griffin 22mm build deck is not 16mm, it's around 15.4mm. The size is mostly an illusion. The posts on the deck are larger making the deck look bigger than it actually is. True build space is smack dab at 16mm. Builds I use in my Boreas (which has a 17mm deck) don't fit in the Griffin 25. They did make the build deck larger, but they ate up some of that space making the posts bigger but the overall caliper deck size is around 16.5mm. True build space is around 16mm. The Aromamizer Supreme deck is basically identical in build allowance size to the Griffin 25mm.
I actually checked this with calipers. I think the way Geekvape is giving the measurements is based off the chamber diameter, not true build space allowance. They did indeed make the deck a LITTLE, keyword, bigger but the posts being unnecessarily larger took up 95% of the added space and you're left with build space almost identical to the 22mm Griffin.
(opinion alert) The Herakles 25mm is the best non RDTA rebuildable tank out. (opinion alert over) The Apache has the biggest build deck of 25mm RTA's at around 17-18mm.
(opinion alert) The Boreas also whips the Griffin 25's ass. That's obviously just my opinion, but, I think it'd be hard to like the Griffin over the Boreas. (opinion alert over)
The BIGGEST issue I had with the Griffin is still present, the JUICE FLOW CONTROL is STILL all loose. I don't see why this is, the Gemini 22/25mm is the SAME way. By the way, I highly advise you avoid the Gemini as the 510 pin, if tightened or loosened AT ALL will screw up the RTA and you'll either brick it or spend an hour fixing it because since they used that middle post, the standard velocity deck style insulator seating isn't here. Instead, they fixed the negative post with a SCREW under the deck, and the positive post has a long leg on it that fits into this L shaped fulcrum-like piece that the 510 pin threads up through. Really weird and wonky design, and your mod's 510 pin can loosen or tighten the Gemini pin and fuck it up without you touching it as it's happened to me. This is why I recommend you avoid the Gemini RTA's altogether.
The Griffin doesn't really OFFER anything other 25mm's don't. It's not the only one with top airflow, and I think it'd be a MUCH better idea to simply include more bottom airflow. The top airflow is not efficiently hitting your coil, it's descending from the chimney then looping straight back up into the airflow channel. It's MAYBE grazing the very top of your coil at best, but this is optimistic because any air that made it down that far would immediately get upwind pushed out of the way from the bottom airflow.
So even though it's actually traveling down to the deck, top airflow in a tank is still very gimmicky as there's no system out for a true RTA style tank that truly makes the air hit the coils. This is why top airflow RDA's don't do so well, the air does best when it hits the coil from the side, whips around under the bottom, then flies up hitting the back, with a little airflow also grazing OVER the coil from the side. This allows 100% air-to-coil efficiently, where-as a bottom-airflow setup is missing the top of the coil, and the top airflow is going to immediately get sucked back up into the chimney because the bottom airflow will push it up before it even has a chance to make it down.
This translate into, top airflow does nothing but kill flavor. It's a much better idea to just make the main airflow slots larger than to add top airflow. This much is not an opinion, more-so physics.
Also, when the Griffin 25 was announced it did claim 7mls, and I believe the top airflow version holds 6.2mls where-as the normal holds 7mls. Neither actually hold this much, but, that's the claim.
If you like it, GREAT, fantastic, it's not a cigarette, build it until it breaks. People seem to misconceive my rambles as attacks against a person or a product. They aren't, USUALLY anyway. This is just, I don't know I like to debate things. I like to question stuff. I like to tear it down mentally and physically.
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Try measuring the deck yourself m8. It's 17.1mm. Regardless, like I said earlier, everyone has different tastes.
Have a good one
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I took calipers to it, the deck is not 17.1mm. The build deck on the 22mm Griffin isn't 16mm either. The build deck on the Aromamizer Supreme isn't 16.5mm. They measure this by chamber space, which is not build allowance space. When you make a deck larger then eat up all the room it gives by making the posts bigger for no reason, you've accomplished nothing. Measure it correctly, m8. You're calipering the posts or just using improper tools. It's not 17.1mm, measure from the juice channels not from the posts. This is true build allowance. 17.1mm is chamber space. Read my entire edited post. Are you going to tell me next that builds I pull off of my 17mm Boreas deck that won't fit into the Griffin are magically growing larger when I move them? I'm not in the habit of blindly believing everything manufacturers claim, if this were true we'd really have 40A 18650's and 12ml tanks.
Also, you, just as well as I, cannot say that any one tank is the best on the market until both you or I have used all the tanks currently on the market extensively. We can only go by what we've used, it is not correct to assume one thing is better than another thing when you've never used the other thing. I think you'll quite enjoy the Herakles RTA, the airflow on it is fucking BRILLIANT.
This is my point at the end of the day
1. Top airflow is gimmicky and doesn't even hit your coil, even if it travels down to the deck, the bottom airflow pushes it back up into the chimney immediately. Also, other 22, 25 and 30mm RTA's have top airflow.
2. The juice flow control is still very loose like the 22mm.
3. Regardless of how large you think the build deck is, there's 25mm tanks with bigger build decks out.
4. There's 25mm tanks that hold more juice, a lot more juice actually.
5. There's 25mm tanks out that are cheaper.
6. There's 25mm tanks out with more options. (Interchanging build decks, different build decks, more airflow, different styles of airflow, filling options, etc.)
7. There's 25mm tanks out with bigger juice channels or more efficient wicking systems entirely.
These seven reasons make the Griffin 25 a me too RTA, it's offering nothing other RTA's don't offer, and it's actually offering LESS than other 25mm RTA's offer. If you like it, great. I post this kind of shit for two reasons.
A: I hope manufacturers like Geekvape see it and feel pressure to constantly improve their products for the betterment of vaping as a whole.
B: Some people only have enough cash for one RTA. I'd rather them be fully informed on both what this tank offers and does not offer compared to other tanks.
I don't post solely in the timeframe of, this is me and you, I post in the sense, this is me and you, plus everyone else who reads it. Lots of people on forums just lurk, I'd say there's more lurkers than posters. So sometimes, you have to ask their questions for them, as well as answer them. Don't take my debates, banter, observations, complaints and conjecture offensively. I don't mean them that way, that's JH's problem. I just speak my mind, but I do it in a way that is intended to help people get the full truth from someone. Bias exists, and when a bunch of people crowd a thread singing praises, it can create misinformation in potential buyers. You're right, what you like, I might not like.
But you also have to remember, there's probably going to be people with similar tastes to mine reading this. Just as people will be the same with you. Our back and forth helps people draw their own conclusions.
A free mind is an unbiased mind. We all should properly choose our path using out own opinions, conclusions and interests.
Let me put it this way. When I bitch, it doesn't mean I HATE or DISLIKE a product. It simply means, it could be better (EVERYTHING could be better, mind you), I have tanks I like better, or both. Is the Griffin 25mm a good RTA? You're damned right it is, I think nearly everyone who owns one will enjoy it. I just find it to NOT BE THE BEST RTA out of the RTA's I have used, and it also has less options on it than other RTA's. It's not a bad tank at all, it's a good tank. I enjoy, the vape I get off of it. I'm just saying I have tanks that give me a better vape, as well as there's certain things that could make this RTA as GOOD AS IT COULD BE.
I bitch about everything I own. I bitched EXTENSIVELY about the Boreas RDTA, which is my all time MVP favorite topper device. It's my thing, I bitch in the hope my bitching is heard by the right ears and encourages improvements. I bitch, it's my thing. I'm a bitcher. In fact, when I don't bitch about something, that's a bad sign. When something isn't even WORTH bitching about, something is seriously wrong. You just gotta know how to take me man, you can't look at me the way most people look at each other. I'm that oddly shaped pear on the tree, but when you eat the odd pear it stills tastes as good as all the other ones. Perspective.
Also, you, just as well as I, cannot say that any one tank is the best on the market until both you or I have used all the tanks currently on the market extensively. We can only go by what we've used, it is not correct to assume one thing is better than another thing when you've never used the other thing. I think you'll quite enjoy the Herakles RTA, the airflow on it is fucking BRILLIANT.
This is my point at the end of the day
1. Top airflow is gimmicky and doesn't even hit your coil, even if it travels down to the deck, the bottom airflow pushes it back up into the chimney immediately. Also, other 22, 25 and 30mm RTA's have top airflow.
2. The juice flow control is still very loose like the 22mm.
3. Regardless of how large you think the build deck is, there's 25mm tanks with bigger build decks out.
4. There's 25mm tanks that hold more juice, a lot more juice actually.
5. There's 25mm tanks out that are cheaper.
6. There's 25mm tanks out with more options. (Interchanging build decks, different build decks, more airflow, different styles of airflow, filling options, etc.)
7. There's 25mm tanks out with bigger juice channels or more efficient wicking systems entirely.
These seven reasons make the Griffin 25 a me too RTA, it's offering nothing other RTA's don't offer, and it's actually offering LESS than other 25mm RTA's offer. If you like it, great. I post this kind of shit for two reasons.
A: I hope manufacturers like Geekvape see it and feel pressure to constantly improve their products for the betterment of vaping as a whole.
B: Some people only have enough cash for one RTA. I'd rather them be fully informed on both what this tank offers and does not offer compared to other tanks.
I don't post solely in the timeframe of, this is me and you, I post in the sense, this is me and you, plus everyone else who reads it. Lots of people on forums just lurk, I'd say there's more lurkers than posters. So sometimes, you have to ask their questions for them, as well as answer them. Don't take my debates, banter, observations, complaints and conjecture offensively. I don't mean them that way, that's JH's problem. I just speak my mind, but I do it in a way that is intended to help people get the full truth from someone. Bias exists, and when a bunch of people crowd a thread singing praises, it can create misinformation in potential buyers. You're right, what you like, I might not like.
But you also have to remember, there's probably going to be people with similar tastes to mine reading this. Just as people will be the same with you. Our back and forth helps people draw their own conclusions.
A free mind is an unbiased mind. We all should properly choose our path using out own opinions, conclusions and interests.
Let me put it this way. When I bitch, it doesn't mean I HATE or DISLIKE a product. It simply means, it could be better (EVERYTHING could be better, mind you), I have tanks I like better, or both. Is the Griffin 25mm a good RTA? You're damned right it is, I think nearly everyone who owns one will enjoy it. I just find it to NOT BE THE BEST RTA out of the RTA's I have used, and it also has less options on it than other RTA's. It's not a bad tank at all, it's a good tank. I enjoy, the vape I get off of it. I'm just saying I have tanks that give me a better vape, as well as there's certain things that could make this RTA as GOOD AS IT COULD BE.
I bitch about everything I own. I bitched EXTENSIVELY about the Boreas RDTA, which is my all time MVP favorite topper device. It's my thing, I bitch in the hope my bitching is heard by the right ears and encourages improvements. I bitch, it's my thing. I'm a bitcher. In fact, when I don't bitch about something, that's a bad sign. When something isn't even WORTH bitching about, something is seriously wrong. You just gotta know how to take me man, you can't look at me the way most people look at each other. I'm that oddly shaped pear on the tree, but when you eat the odd pear it stills tastes as good as all the other ones. Perspective.
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Put a framed staple build in the Boreas and then see what the Jury says. I've had my Boreas up to as high as 272 watts and it kept up famously.
Also, put identical builds in each, with identical wicks, then use the highest identical wattage you can on each device both wide open. The Griffin gives good flavor, but it's like a 6/10 with the top airflow. The Boreas is like an 8.5/10 wide open. Clouds, the Boreas is a 10, the Griffin is like a 7.
Also, put identical builds in each, with identical wicks, then use the highest identical wattage you can on each device both wide open. The Griffin gives good flavor, but it's like a 6/10 with the top airflow. The Boreas is like an 8.5/10 wide open. Clouds, the Boreas is a 10, the Griffin is like a 7.
Actually I do have staple coils in it from raymo,ohming out at .2. It's a nice vape with huge clouds but the flavor is no were close to my griffin 22 with top air flow. My griff ohms out at .25 with alian claptons from purecoils. I don't hate the Boreas at all and like I said I need more time with it. The one thing I don't like about the Boreas is that it spits a lot of juice out of the air holes which makes a mess. The griff stays nice and dry in all situations.
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I don't get spitting, leaking or anything of the like. Plus top airflow actually just, mutes flavor. But if you're running staple coils in the Griffin and some standard build in the Boreas it's pretty obvious the flavor will be better in the Griffin. Identical builds, identical wattages. Also framed staples are different, I can't even fit framed staples in the Griffin.
You can't vape two tanks with two different builds, juices, wick styles, wattage settings and the like and compare the flavor realistically. More airflow doesn't increase flavor, it does the opposite. I don't understand how adding top airflow to your Griffin all of a sudden made it give better flavor. The Griffin gives subpar flavor on numerous builds I've tried, almost all 25mm RTA's do. More airflow = More air in the hit = Less vapor density = Less flavor. That's just physics. I think bias is affecting your judgment. You're literally saying you added more airflow, which I've already laid out reasons for why it doesn't even hit your coil, and got better flavor. That doesn't even make sense, just being realistic here. Taste is subjective, but when you want to like something more, you do.
You can't vape two tanks with two different builds, juices, wick styles, wattage settings and the like and compare the flavor realistically. More airflow doesn't increase flavor, it does the opposite. I don't understand how adding top airflow to your Griffin all of a sudden made it give better flavor. The Griffin gives subpar flavor on numerous builds I've tried, almost all 25mm RTA's do. More airflow = More air in the hit = Less vapor density = Less flavor. That's just physics. I think bias is affecting your judgment. You're literally saying you added more airflow, which I've already laid out reasons for why it doesn't even hit your coil, and got better flavor. That doesn't even make sense, just being realistic here. Taste is subjective, but when you want to like something more, you do.
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Lol dude I'm not arguing with you. If you actually read my post I said I have alians in the griffin and staples in the Boreas. I have heard all the top air flow mutes flavor talk but I'm telling you it's NOT the case. I'm sorry your taking me the wrong way bud because I'm not trying to say the griffin is better. I'm saying as of right now with the build I have in the griffin, it has better flavor. I'm pretty sure I also said that I haven't messed with the Boreas as much so maybe it will get better. Once again I'm not knocking the Boreas. I will say this and I don't care if it pisses you off but you sound like a serious Boreas nut sack rider! Which is fine. Maybe one day I will be to but not yet
I was going to go with the Griffin 25, have some issues with the 22 but after reading a bit should have the Herakles RTA tomorrow. For shits and giggles I should have the iJoy tornado tomorrow as well. iJoy has been OK, but suffers from quality issues, just seemed something different. Way too much stuff, currently on Boreas, Supreme and alleria. The Alleria is only thing in recent history I was surprised with in good way. Really don't think you can go wrong with much of the new stuff out now, well maybe the iJoy lol, but high hopes.
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I can't for the life of me see how the griffin 25 has anything positive said about it. I have wicked the thing so many different ways and even when I got it to wick it would last a couple drags before dry hits. My diablo clone is 100x better. I mean the build quality is nice. It looks nice. The idea of it is nice but when it comes to actually vaping on it. It's complete shit. I threw mine out on the m6 somewhere. 2 weeks of wicking the life out of it. Trying all the wicking techniques found online for the it and it still sucked. I'll stick to my el diablo clone untill I find a 5ml diablo clone.
I have the griffin 22 and wicking it is frustrating. Very finicky. Too much cotton in the channel->dry hit. Too little->nice flavor but leaky. Can't get it right but I keep trying. Aromamizer with the bottom juice flow and vertical coil never leaks and flavor is as good as the griffin. Turned me off the griffin when I was looking at 25mm tanks so I wound up going with the Boreas which also has bottom juice flow. Griffin is well constructed but I agree with you. I don't understand why the fan-boys were so in love with it. Don't get me wrong, it is a good tank but in my opinion it never was the ultimate evolution of the RDTA that some were claiming it was.
If you read my previous posts (about 60% are Griffin related), you'd find I have been a Griffin fanboy since the beginning. Alot of people have trouble wicking them and I'm not sure why. What I can tell you, grab a Herakles RTA 2 and you'll never need another RTA. I use that and the limitless plus exclusively now. On the Herakles, huge build deck and just throw your cotton in the hole. It's as simple as that LoLz.
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