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So with mixing, I've found that all my results end up tasting flat - like how the smell of a wet dog isn't naturally pleasant, the mixes just end up tasting low and dull.

Working with Capella for instance, putting Vanilla Custard in is weird. By itself, I get a strong note from I guess the butters in the blend, and with Sub-Ohm, that effect comes through as a ton of body and somewhat a sweet peppery effect. Almost waxy, but not so much the taste of wax.

And flavor, I'm just not getting the flavor of Custard at all. At best, I could describe it as a completely uninteresting, sugarless vanilla ice cream, at best. Almost more just like sugarless sweetness, something that simply balances the water-like taste of pure VG. Like vaping a slightly cream-like cloud.

Now, I understand that flavorings just aren't going to automatically translate to vapor. Scientifically, how could they? It's heated and vaporized flavorings. And I'm someone who has a reduced sense of internal smell because of car accident trauma and facial reconstruction, so for me, it's purely what the vapor "tastes like." I get no added bonus from the scent of the vapor coming up into the nostrils. It has to taste good, and virtually all these DIY recipes do not for me... they taste flat, weird, and low, if not completely muddled or nasty.

So I'm thinking that there's a big component truly missing from most DIY mixes. Folks can be proud of making something all they want to be but I'm self-critical and I need a product that matches truly good E-Liquids like some of the truly unique and tasty offerings from Charlie Noble or Ripe Vapes (two opposite companies but they both nail something many do not...)

Now I tried EM but I think it reacted badly Sub-Ohm. I may have used too much but a drop of TFA Sweetener (%10 EM in PG) shouldn't have done that in a 15ml batch, but it did. So I'm trying Capella Sweetener at the moment, and I think it seems to start to heighten the notes in a mix, but I'm wondering if anyone knows what percentage I should dilute it to?

And second, and this is truly for the folks who may have some true connections with popular E-Liquid makers out there (especially high-VG lines for Sub-Ohm), in your opinion what truly makes your mixes pop? Is it really just throwing in ingredients, or a sweetener, or a texturizer, or maybe that you stick with a certain brand or flavoring style (building ingredients one by one or using composites such as Capella Orange-Sicle [whatever it's called])?

So far, my mixes just aren't popping and it ain't me cuz I've followed things to a tee. And I'm sorry but I ain't gonna go through and literally make over +200 micro-batches to taste every flavoring and flavoring combo, I'm trying to vape something not start a flavoring company. And I've tried every recipe possible. Somethings preventing them from tasting "right."

Doing research on Capella flavor drops, people use them with liquid stevia or else folks say they taste like chemicals, and it's because Capella doesn't add sweetener. Shouldn't that hold true in E-Liquid? Because all I'm tasting otherwise is flatness, and anything past %10 total flavoring makes coils burn. Dunno what to do from here.
 

nabibrian

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So far, my mixes just aren't popping and it ain't me cuz I've followed things to a tee. And I'm sorry but I ain't gonna go through and literally make over +200 micro-batches to taste every flavoring and flavoring combo
Unfortunately for what you are wanting, it is going to take patience and sampling. There is no way around it friend. What one person tastes and what you taste might be way off and so it will require you and only you to know what flavor you are wanting. So in order to accomplish this, guess who is going to have to find out that right flavor percentage. Yes, you!

It is important for you to "know" your flavorings by making smaller batches at different percentages before you try and accomplish what takes many some time to crack. Try mixing a 5-10ml bottle with no nicotine. If the flavoring smells really strong, definitely start at a small percentage.

Techniques for bringing out flavor depend on what flavor you are working with.
Ethyl maltol can help, as can vape wizard, bitter wizard or koolada.
For fruit flavors you can try raising the acidity levels with lemon juice.
Check out this pdf: Improving the Flavor of Fruit Products with Acidulants
Try using 0.025% citric and 0.025% malic to fruit mixes to really make the fruit flavor pop. Don't go overboard -- less is more when it comes to enhancing flavors.

Here is a another little trick that could possibly help...
When you mix multiple flavors, the flavor you want to be the main note, try adding to the mix last. For some reason, maybe its all "mental" but it seems doing it this way causes the main note to standout more at least for me.

It is not an easy thing to just throw a mix together and expect it to be the next Unicorn Milk. It takes weeks of detailed note taking and tons of variations of a recipe before it will be dialed in to exactly where you want it. Once you have your recipe tasting just right, it will take a few more weeks to have PERFECTED it.

Not sure if this helps you with your issues but its the best I can offer at this moment.
 
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