High vg mute flavour a myth? Cast your votes

[Jasonfox1988]

Hi as some of you know i used to have a problem with little flavour in my subtank mini so i dropped to 50/50 mixes! But! In the mean time i have changed my coil to a clapton coil
I got out a new flavour iv been steeping (50/50 mix) and thought id try the sample i done whats 70vg. tryed the 70vg first then the 50/50 and i cant really tell much difference lol?
So maybe all this time i had muted flavours to no flavour it was down to my coil not the mix? What are your thoughts on this high vg mutes flavour and pg is a flavour carrier could this really be a myth lol
Im stating sub tanks here btw not drippers! This is dawning on me lol

The real main difference i have noticed here is the colour between the 2 the darker one is the 50/50 mix

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[soulshine]

PG is definitely a much better flavor carrier, that's a plain fact. The difference between the liquids is the darker one has been steeping longer.

No offense Jason, but your posts are so "all over the place" it's hard to try to pin down your problem. Did you ever have any success at all with the 50/50 mixes? How much did you play with the %'s? Why did you all of a sudden go to a Clapton coil and 70 vg? Is that the advice somebody in a cloud chasers forum gave you? What people don't understand..is these "staggered clapton super dragon sleeper stovetop unicorn" coils are like guitars. You can have a Walmart Strat Copy or a Custom Les Paul. If you don't know how to play...they are both USELESS. Stop trying to emulate what "the cool kids" are doing and take the time to work it out.

It's trial an error to adjust things to your palette. I know you've been having troubles getting it, but it'll be well worth it once you do. Keep patient, go back to the basics and playing with the %'s. Do it until you make something (anything) you like...and go from there. You will get it.

 

[Jasonfox1988]

PG is definitely a much better flavor carrier, that's a plain fact. The difference between the liquids is the darker one has been steeping longer.

No offense Jason, but your posts are so "all over the place" it's hard to try to pin down your problem. Did you ever have any success at all with the 50/50 mixes? How much did you play with the %'s? Why did you all of a sudden go to a Clapton coil and 70 vg? Is that the advice somebody in a cloud chasers forum gave you? What people don't understand..is these "staggered clapton super dragon sleeper stovetop unicorn" coils are like guitars. You can have a Walmart Strat Copy or a Custom Les Paul. If you don't know how to play...they are both USELESS. Stop trying to emulate what "the cool kids" are doing and take the time to work it out.

It's trial an error to adjust things to your palette. I know you've been having troubles getting it, but it'll be well worth it once you do. Keep patient, go back to the basics and playing with the %'s. Do it until you make something (anything) you like...and go from there. You will get it.

Yes sorry about that i have been posting alot cuz this is a forum :/ i dint realise the forum is covered in my posts my bad lol i posted this because i just wanted to see what others thought with the pg vg ratios.
I used to be on 70vg and went to 50/50 with much better luck but changing to clapton very recently reason for changing to clapton is i was told its good with flavour production. and infact the darker one is actually less steeped 11 days less to be exact lol



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[richardward77]

Has the darker one got higher nic content.

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[soulshine]

LOL..touche' my friend. Indeed it is a forum and you can post as much as you want. Everything you're "learning" goes against everything I've learned in my 3+ years experience...but I'm sure you already know more than me.

Sorry you obviously took offense to my post, but I will certainly bow out and let someone a little more patient answer your many questions. Good luck with the Clapton in the Subtank. "Clouds bro...clouds"

 

[Jasonfox1988]

LOL..touche' my friend. Indeed it is a forum and you can post as much as you want. Everything you're "learning" goes against everything I've learned in my 3+ years experience...but I'm sure you already know more than me.

Sorry you obviously took offense to my post, but I will certainly bow out and let someone a little more patient answer your many questions. Good luck with the Clapton in the Subtank. "Clouds bro...clouds"

nooo i dint take that to offence it takes alot more then that to offend me if you did offend me you would know about it trust me lol i dint mean to come across to you like that :/ reading over my comment does sound it but i can assure you i dint mean it like that.
Clapton is ok i wouldnt say its giving me clouds but id say it is better in flavour.


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[Jasonfox1988]

Has the darker one got higher nic content.

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Hi Richard!
Nope same nic lol


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[soulshine]

No worries man. I know sometimes my posts can be a little "blunt" and I get it. It's hard to distinguish tone in a post. Especially since I'm a true smartass and if you don't know me well, it's not easy to tell that I'm joking lol I really do hope you get it all worked out. Good luck

 

[Jasonfox1988]

Good ole! Nah iv pretty much figured out most of my problems now thanks with the help on this forum!only one problem i have is getting the lemo2 to pop in flavour but i guess its finding the rite build. But
Flavours are kicking on sub tank mini i was just curious on what people thought on this one lol


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[Tcar]

Focus on one issue at a time.

1. PG does carry flavor better. This is why it is the suspension base in flavors but it's not that big of a deal. In short I'd mix to whatever PG/VG ratio you prefer for throat hit and what works best in your equipment. Don't worry about it. I usually mix around 80VG. You can always nudge your flavor percents by a smidge and get it to where you want it.

2. Claptons do seem to give better flavor for me, likely due to their self wicking ability and surface area, but it all varies in terms of atty design, wicking technique, coil size etc. Lots of variables.

3. I too have a subtank ( and a bunch of other stuff) and it doesn't seem to care too much about VG ratio, but I use the RBA section mostly. I'm running a parallel 8/7 wrap of 28g, 3mm ID coil at .75 ohms and it's just fine. Great vapor production and great flavor. I run it at 25w all day long.

Also, flavor is nearly always less in a tank vs a dripper. Wicking and airflow (especially in a RDA) are really what you need to dial in first. There isn't really a "magic flavor coil." Pay attention to you wicks and juice feeding. Too much cotton and it chokes out due to lack of capillary action. Not enough, it doesn't have enough material to feed enough. Tightening up the airflow on a tank increases flavor but you have to dial back on the watts then. Clouds and flavor are not exactly opposites, but they often are opposed to each other.

Personally, on RDA's I now prefer the bottom of a tank to be as wide open as possible and then try to "choke down" the airflow at the top with the drip tip's (have several zillion of them) bore size. The coil for the most part only gets hot. Controlling the heat is where correct wattage for a coil, wicking, and airflow come in to play (that and temperature control but that is a separate issue) A lot of "flavor chasing" can be done simply by running the watts (or temp) around until you find the sweet spot of the juice once you have a solid build and wicks. Higher gauge/more thermal mass needs more wattage to heat it up in a reasonable time frame. Lower gauge/thermal mass needs less wattage or more airflow to cool. I get great flavor off my boring old Stillaire with a boring & simple 22g dual coil. I get great flavor off my KFL with a 28g nickel build. Hell, I can get great flavor off a Dark Horse (airflow wide open and a smallish normal 510 drip tip and claptons inside) and it's a cloud chaser atty. This all applies to regulated devices. When dealing with unregulated devices, coil design takes the next step because you have to regulate watts by the ohms of the coil. You start having to make compromises in terms of the mass of the coil and the ohms/amps you are trying to push because you only have what is in the battery. No buck or boost to fudge it.

Hope this provides some insight into my process and maybe some food for thought.

 

[Jasonfox1988]

Focus on one issue at a time.

1. PG does carry flavor better. This is why it is the suspension base in flavors but it's not that big of a deal. In short I'd mix to whatever PG/VG ratio you prefer for throat hit and what works best in your equipment. Don't worry about it. I usually mix around 80VG. You can always nudge your flavor percents by a smidge and get it to where you want it.

2. Claptons do seem to give better flavor for me, likely due to their self wicking ability and surface area, but it all varies in terms of atty design, wicking technique, coil size etc. Lots of variables.

3. I too have a subtank ( and a bunch of other stuff) and it doesn't seem to care too much about VG ratio, but I use the RBA section mostly. I'm running a parallel 8/7 wrap of 28g, 3mm ID coil at .75 ohms and it's just fine. Great vapor production and great flavor. I run it at 25w all day long.

Also, flavor is nearly always less in a tank vs a dripper. Wicking and airflow (especially in a RDA) are really what you need to dial in first. There isn't really a "magic flavor coil." Pay attention to you wicks and juice feeding. Too much cotton and it chokes out due to lack of capillary action. Not enough, it doesn't have enough material to feed enough. Tightening up the airflow on a tank increases flavor but you have to dial back on the watts then. Clouds and flavor are not exactly opposites, but they often are opposed to each other.

Personally, on RDA's I now prefer the bottom of a tank to be as wide open as possible and then try to "choke down" the airflow at the top with the drip tip's (have several zillion of them) bore size. The coil for the most part only gets hot. Controlling the heat is where correct wattage for a coil, wicking, and airflow come in to play (that and temperature control but that is a separate issue) A lot of "flavor chasing" can be done simply by running the watts (or temp) around until you find the sweet spot of the juice once you have a solid build and wicks. Higher gauge/more thermal mass needs more wattage to heat it up in a reasonable time frame. Lower gauge/thermal mass needs less wattage or more airflow to cool. I get great flavor off my boring old Stillaire with a boring & simple 22g dual coil. I get great flavor off my KFL with a 28g nickel build. Hell, I can get great flavor off a Dark Horse (airflow wide open and a smallish normal 510 drip tip and claptons inside) and it's a cloud chaser atty. This all applies to regulated devices. When dealing with unregulated devices, coil design takes the next step because you have to regulate watts by the ohms of the coil. You start having to make compromises in terms of the mass of the coil and the ohms/amps you are trying to push because you only have what is in the battery. No buck or boost to fudge it.

Hope this provides some insight into my process and maybe some food for thought.

Great reply there thnx
Yeah think il stick to the 50/50 ratios as i have found its so much easier to work with and get good flavour. Yea i have tryed the smaller bore drip tip i do like it but with clapton spitting juice once there is a build up under the tip every so meany draws it tends to pull a load of juice up the drip tip into my mouth not pleasant lol! How ever they say less is more but for some reason i get better vapour and taste when my wick is in the clapton fairly tight. Have u noticed that or isit just me lol


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[richardward77]

I made two custards 1 with 3 mg nic the other with 6. The 6 went darker quicker so thought that was it. My missus bought a bottle of vampire vape Heisenberg the other day I mixed it up at 15% and thought it smelled nice so filled my lemo 2 up with it and woa what the fxxck it's like vaping mouth wash and now can't get rid of the taste out of my tank washed it like 5 times now still there.

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[Jasonfox1988]

I made two custards 1 with 3 mg nic the other with 6. The 6 went darker quicker so thought that was it. My missus bought a bottle of vampire vape Heisenberg the other day I mixed it up at 15% and thought it smelled nice so filled my lemo 2 up with it and woa what the fxxck it's like vaping mouth wash and now can't get rid of the taste out of my tank washed it like 5 times now still there.

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Lmao everyone say it taste like mouth wash I actually like the taste of that! I mix that up at 20% lol i will admit though heisenberg in a nautilus mini taste like bubblegum and menthol but taste wierd at sub ohm but i still like it!
Did u wash it in hot water? That sorted my problem! I think your taste buds are far better then mine ya know from what we have spokin about in the past with my flavour problems but of been all the naughty stuff i have taken in the past has ruined my palette lol


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[wllmc]

Oh ok I'll throw my 2 cents in pertaining to the thread question.

1. PG
PG is obviously the carrier because 90% of flavorings are suspended in PG, that does not at all mean flavor taste better in PG or flavor stands out more in PG. its simply less viscous and easier to work with, less separation etc.

2. VG
VG DOES NOT mute flavor. it just takes a little more time to combine fully. Im vaping 95% VG right now with the only PG coming from flavoring. Its smoother and a little fuller of a vape than a 50/50 mix would be but the flavor is the same.

I agree with @Tcar that its got a lot to do with power and airflow. I notice that this lemo has been giving you trouble, you have waaaaaaay more patience than me lol. I would have tossed that thing a long time ago or gave it away. If I get a new tank or mod and I cant get what I want from it in a day or 2 its gone lol.

 

[wllmc]

I would also like to add that yes , you ask a lot of question but you should have seen some of my early post lol. This is how you DIY. by trying things ! how does inawera kaktus taste and what % do you use it at ? Try it ! does VG mute flavors ? try it ! can I put my Ejuice in the oven and come out with a cake ? IDK try it ! lol. keep experimenting man because the only way to know about something is to do it yourself and keep asking questions #vapelyfe

 

[Pauly Walnuts]

I would also like to add that yes , you ask a lot of question but you should have seen some of my early post lol. This is how you DIY. by trying things ! how does inawera kaktus taste and what % do you use it at ? Try it ! does VG mute flavors ? try it ! can I put my Ejuice in the oven and come out with a cake ? IDK try it ! lol. keep experimenting man because the only way to know about something is to do it yourself and keep asking questions #vapelyfe

I sometimes put my juices in the oven to aid in overall steeping. 2hrs @150degrees takes the edge off of enough to vape most 'steepers' when they cool down. 12hrs @450degrees and you have successfully baked cake.

To the OP....I dont think vg mutes flavors, if anything it sweetens (therefore enhancing) them. The one problem I have with making lower vg juices (40vg 60pg and below) is that the sweetness of the higher vg mix is hard to replicate. Vg imparts a very natural sweetness and neither sucralose or sweet flavorings seem to do the same thing.

 

[Jasonfox1988]

Oh ok I'll throw my 2 cents in pertaining to the thread question.

1. PG
PG is obviously the carrier because 90% of flavorings are suspended in PG, that does not at all mean flavor taste better in PG or flavor stands out more in PG. its simply less viscous and easier to work with, less separation etc.

2. VG
VG DOES NOT mute flavor. it just takes a little more time to combine fully. Im vaping 95% VG right now with the only PG coming from flavoring. Its smoother and a little fuller of a vape than a 50/50 mix would be but the flavor is the same.

I agree with @Tcar that its got a lot to do with power and airflow. I notice that this lemo has been giving you trouble, you have waaaaaaay more patience than me lol. I would have tossed that thing a long time ago or gave it away. If I get a new tank or mod and I cant get what I want from it in a day or 2 its gone lol.

I would also like to add that yes , you ask a lot of question but you should have seen some of my early post lol. This is how you DIY. by trying things ! how does inawera kaktus taste and what % do you use it at ? Try it ! does VG mute flavors ? try it ! can I put my Ejuice in the oven and come out with a cake ? IDK try it ! lol. keep experimenting man because the only way to know about something is to do it yourself and keep asking questions #vapelyfe

Haha what a funny reply! If there was a love button id use it lmao
Yes what im getting at is i always thought high vg mutes flavours so went 50/50 with good results but i also changed to a clapton now iv tryed a small sample of 70vg and the flavour difference was nothing really! So all that time i had trouble i think it was down to my build lol! I may go back to 70vg and see how i get on as the vapour production is much more satisfying for me,
Oh i will try the oven trick to see if i get a cake from a cake mix haha!
And yes i did have trouble with the lemo 2 and iv give up on that now being happy with the subtank
And i know what you mean by try it but 9 times out of 10 i do but i am the kinda person who likes a second opinion sometimes to ease my mind lol cheers


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[Jasonfox1988]

I sometimes put my juices in the oven to aid in overall steeping. 2hrs @150degrees takes the edge off of enough to vape most 'steepers' when they cool down. 12hrs @450degrees and you have successfully baked cake.

To the OP....I dont think vg mutes flavors, if anything it sweetens (therefore enhancing) them. The one problem I have with making lower vg juices (40vg 60pg and below) is that the sweetness of the higher vg mix is hard to replicate. Vg imparts a very natural sweetness and neither sucralose or sweet flavorings seem to do the same thing.

Great to hear that so maybe some of my chocolate vapes will love high vg then lol


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[burley]

Stop trying to emulate what "the cool kids" are doing and take the time to work it out.

This is so on-the-spot it's almost funny. I have always been a 50-50 guy. Started that way, bought almost every bottle that way, mixed that way when I started doing it on my own. So about two weeks ago, I figured to myself, "everyone is always, always touting high-VG. Let's go with an (at least) 70/30 ratio for this mixing session." Cause I'm dumb and like to do dumb things to myself.

My mixes taste fine, but muted. I miss that throat hit, and find myself chiefing down on my tanks, blowing cloud after cloud looking for that throat hit that satisfies me and I'm not getting it. Just vape, lots of it, and some flavor.

I curse that decision, so much. Like, right now. Shoulda stayed at my preference, it's my preference for a reason.

Kinda like when I'm at the liquor store and see a bottle of Jaeger and go "ooh, haven't had that in a while, maybe I'll try going this way this time," and I get home and I can't find it within myself to get more than a little bit in cause, Oh yeah, that's right, I hate the hell out of Jaeger. Why'd I just waste my money with it? Cause I'm dumb, that's why.

OP, to answer your question (as so many others have by now) yeah, In my opinion VG mutes flavors.

 

[Thunderball]

I agree with wllmc and Pauly. Ive run the full gambit in DIY myself over time and I also prefer all VG with the exception of the PG that is in the flavoring. I was actualy trying to get away from the throat hit is why I first started going with more and more VG. Its a big full vape to me.

I have also found that I dont really taste the differnce in the recipies when I was vaping at 50/50 and now that Im at 95% VG. I believe Hic is a super taster and uses EXTREAMLY low percentages in flavoring. If Im not mistaken, he is at either very high VG or all VG.

I will have to vote for " High VG makes no real difference i n flavoring"

 

[Tcar]

Oh ok I'll throw my 2 cents in pertaining to the thread question.

1. PG
PG is obviously the carrier because 90% of flavorings are suspended in PG, that does not at all mean flavor taste better in PG or flavor stands out more in PG. its simply less viscous and easier to work with, less separation etc.

2. VG
VG DOES NOT mute flavor. it just takes a little more time to combine fully. Im vaping 95% VG right now with the only PG coming from flavoring. Its smoother and a little fuller of a vape than a 50/50 mix would be but the flavor is the same.

I agree with @Tcar that its got a lot to do with power and airflow. I notice that this lemo has been giving you trouble, you have waaaaaaay more patience than me lol. I would have tossed that thing a long time ago or gave it away. If I get a new tank or mod and I cant get what I want from it in a day or 2 its gone lol.

I see what you mean by "carrier" on that abs I am certainly not gong to argue with you @wllmc

I agree 100% on the easier to work with part, but I also agree with the statement that VG base results in sweeter juice, which is a feature for most people, not a bug.

Perhaps mute is not the right word, but the is a difference to me between the same juice mix in 50/50 and 80/20. The more i think about it, maybe it's perception due to throat hit, like mouthfeel does in food.

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[HeadInClouds]

I agree with wllmc and Pauly. Ive run the full gambit in DIY myself over time and I also prefer all VG with the exception of the PG that is in the flavoring. I was actualy trying to get away from the throat hit is why I first started going with more and more VG. Its a big full vape to me.

I have also found that I dont really taste the differnce in the recipies when I was vaping at 50/50 and now that Im at 95% VG. I believe Hic is a super taster and uses EXTREAMLY low percentages in flavoring. If Im not mistaken, he is at either very high VG or all VG.

I will have to vote for " High VG makes no real difference i n flavoring"

I cast my vote with Thunderball, wllmc, Pauly. Moving from mostly PG to max VG, I haven't needed to adjust flavoring at all. The extra sweetness and smoothness on the throat of VG make almost every mix more appealing to me.

 

[wllmc]

I see what you mean by "carrier" on that abs I am certainly not gong to argue with you @wllmc

I agree 100% on the easier to work with part, but I also agree with the statement that VG base results in sweeter juice, which is a feature for most people, not a bug.

Perhaps mute is not the right word, but the is a difference to me between the same juice mix in 50/50 and 80/20. The more i think about it, maybe it's perception due to throat hit, like mouthfeel does in food.

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I was agreeing with you lol. I agree VG brings sweeteness and smoothness but I was just rambling about VG muting flavors and giving my opinion on why PG and alcohol is used in flavoring as a carrier. there is no reason any big flavoring manufcture couldnt make a VG based favoring dilution that could be used at reasonable %. could you imagine all of us scraping or bottles and tipping them upside down for 3 days trying to get that last drop of VG based flavoring out lol.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

So ivee been dong DIY for a year now and am by no means an expert, but I do have a very sensitive pallet. from what I've noticed VG's effect on flavor is totally dependent on the which flavoring not the vg itself,
The lighter, or sweeter flavors tend t get muted while denser more abstract flavors are not effected. At least that's what I've noticed.

 

[Jasonfox1988]

Has the darker one got higher nic content.

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Iv just remembered the small bottle has no nic in as i done samples with none in lol my bad


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[Tcar]

I was agreeing with you lol. I agree VG brings sweeteness and smoothness but I was just rambling about VG muting flavors and giving my opinion on why PG and alcohol is used in flavoring as a carrier. there is no reason any big flavoring manufcture couldnt make a VG based favoring dilution that could be used at reasonable %. could you imagine all of us scraping or bottles and tipping them upside down for 3 days trying to get that last drop of VG based flavoring out lol.

I know you, were I was just blithely stating the obvious. I think I'm going to maintain that it's probably more a perception of the flavor thing with high PG than actual flavor thing.

Unless I'm horribly mistaken there are a few companies out there making a couple VG based flavorings but I'm sure they add a lot of water to them so you can actually get them out of the bottle

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[Jasonfox1988]

Well i guess this is a kind of an even argument here? Each to there own with taste maybe for some the sweetness of the vg over power there flavour abit were as others dont taste much of the vg there for tasting the flavour more! I must do a test on this with various of flavour not just 1! Some in 50/50 and repeat same flavours into a higher vg and see how that is for myself I reckon, lol


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[Jasonfox1988]

Ok so just made hics cotton candy and a few other shake and vapes for a test now in slow cooker for an hour shaking when i can il il report back my results


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[Jasonfox1988]

Ok so tryed 2 of these
2 in 50/50 2 in 70/30 and i cant taste no difference in them so i guess il move back to 70vg mixes for now only time will tell with more experimenting!
Thanks for all your suggestions! Vape on! Stay strong!


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[Willbo]

My 2pence worth of merely opinion. I havent noticed a great difference flavour wise from lower to higer VG mixes. Actually as a lot of recipes are made to be creamy or custardy I think the higher VG adds to the feel of that. Have no allergy to PG but I did find the last few vendors jucies I bought that were 60VG or under, I didnt like the throat hit anymore.
For me the VG/PG ratio is the smallest aid to flavour. So many other things play a bigger part to me: the recipe (obviously), the build and wattage you are vaping at (I have only ever done simply kanthal builds, all I have needed) as often somebody vaping the exact same juice is going to be tasting something pretty damn different @ 11watts than someone vaping @ 70watts. Personally the major thing for me is the atty you are using. There are zillions of tanks out there some of which are awful, 80% of them are the same and then a few good ones....but someone vaping on an ego just cant get the full flavour profile that they would on a quality flavoursome dripper. I even find a couple of my drippers the flavour is considerably muted in comparison to my favourite one on 90% of juices.

 

[Jasonfox1988]

My 2pence worth of merely opinion. I havent noticed a great difference flavour wise from lower to higer VG mixes. Actually as a lot of recipes are made to be creamy or custardy I think the higher VG adds to the feel of that. Have no allergy to PG but I did find the last few vendors jucies I bought that were 60VG or under, I didnt like the throat hit anymore.
For me the VG/PG ratio is the smallest aid to flavour. So many other things play a bigger part to me: the recipe (obviously), the build and wattage you are vaping at (I have only ever done simply kanthal builds, all I have needed) as often somebody vaping the exact same juice is going to be tasting something pretty damn different @ 11watts than someone vaping @ 70watts. Personally the major thing for me is the atty you are using. There are zillions of tanks out there some of which are awful, 80% of them are the same and then a few good ones....but someone vaping on an ego just cant get the full flavour profile that they would on a quality flavoursome dripper. I even find a couple of my drippers the flavour is considerably muted in comparison to my favourite one on 90% of juices.

Yeah that is a good point i still aint gone back to 70/30 or 80/20 as im worried i will kill the flavour again lol
Iv never tryed a dripper but iv tryed quite a few subtanks and subtank mini is my fav with clapton coil for flavour


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[Willbo]

Well I mix most of the recipes on here between 70-80VG and havent found a lack of flavour, though often reading comments of recipes may alter how i mix it, such as a couple of the HIC ones I have mixed x1.5. As I am pretty cack handed I use a coil master for my coils which is why just use kanthal. If you are used to building tanks, a dripper would be a doddle.....and if you want flavour I would say two words "Innokin Exthermal" (they have actually stopped making them but you can prob still get very cheap online). I even had a few Americans getting them in this thread and they seemed popular:
Good RDA/RBA for flavor?

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I would also like to add that yes , you ask a lot of question but you should have seen some of my early post lol. This is how you DIY. by trying things ! how does inawera kaktus taste and what % do you use it at ? Try it ! does VG mute flavors ? try it ! can I put my Ejuice in the oven and come out with a cake ? IDK try it ! lol. keep experimenting man because the only way to know about something is to do it yourself and keep asking questions #vapelyfe

I vaguely remember some of those early posts Will, I think I probably answered a few . Seems like a long time ago. Good to see you my friend!

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Willbo]

Yes I would second what wllmc says. A lot of the recipes on here are excellent and there are some great contributors with a lot of experience and help.....BUT that doesnt mean there take on a recipe is what would be perfect for you.....you will only find that out good and bad, as I am sure they have with experimenting on your own take of things. I have started trying to make my own recipes, bar a couple that I can still improve they havent been all that good, but in doing so I am finding little things that taste nicer to me than the original recipe of some of the most popular recipes on here. For example Im finding the ratio of cream/custard to main flavour such as fruit to crust or biscuit is different to the ratios of some of the most popular recipe contributors. Of course getting the balance I WANT right is a different thing altogether....but slowly, things are improving

 

[burley]

I like a little cream cheese in my boxed mac 'n cheese. Recipes are guides, not gospel.