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How dangerous are they?

I know the obvious answer could be "With anything there is risk"
But i want to relax and taste candy or fruit to curb a bit of appetite (i work in a kitchen so customers stress me out smoke break) but the thing is i dont smoke at all so I would be buying fluids with 0 nicotine in it.

But how dangerous or cancerous is it without the nicotine and stuff and would it be a bad thing to start using it for someone whose never smoked before (im 25 and dont smoke i dont really plan on it thats why i got the 0 nicotine) but my ecig i bought wont be here till next week so im just wondering if it was a mistake or not?

Can someone help someone whose not that educated to this stuff?
 

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There is no true long-term scientific studies that can tell us conclusively whether or not vaping is actually dangerous or how dangerous it is.

With that said, the British government believes vaping is at least 95% safer than smoking cigarettes.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...armful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review

There is also evidence that nicotine is not nearly as addictive as previously believed; in other words, it is the alkaloids in tobacco that keeps people addicted, not the nicotine as previously believed.

There are many vapers who don't think non-smokers should take up vaping. I am not one of them.

Good luck on your future experiments with vaping!
 

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My instant advice as an old lady who smoked for 20+ years and finally switched to a vape is not to start at all. The only thing 100% safe for your lungs is air, brother.

That said, it's a much safer option than smoking. About 95% safer. I know a few people who, like you, wanted a way to de-stress. My son, for one, who is your age. He vapes because he gets bored but as a parent, I'd rather he vape than ever start smoking. Just my 0.001%.

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There is no true long-term scientific studies that can tell us conclusively whether or not vaping is actually dangerous or how dangerous it is.

With that said, the British government believes vaping is at least 95% safer than smoking cigarettes.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...armful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review

There is also evidence that nicotine is not nearly as addictive as previously believed; in other words, it is the alkaloids in tobacco that keeps people addicted, not the nicotine and previously believed.

There are many vapers who don't think non-smokers should take up vaping. I am not one of them.

Good luck on your future experiments with vaping!

I just found 2 flavors for sure i love (skittles and red hots (atomic fireballs) flavour both in no nicotine
I want to get a flavour of food insted of eating while also hanging out relaxing outside for a smoke break (im not allowed any if i dont smoke)
I know it seems selfish and all but i do want to make sure its safe so i dont have family freaking out on me (i live at home sadly and they would throw my stuff away if it scares them)
 

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I just found 2 flavors for sure i love (skittles and red hots (atomic fireballs) flavour both in no nicotine
I want to get a flavour of food insted of eating while also hanging out relaxing outside for a smoke break (im not allowed any if i dont smoke)
I know it seems selfish and all but i do want to make sure its safe so i dont have family freaking out on me (i live at home sadly and they would throw my stuff away if it scares them)

As stated above, there is not long term studies to show the true effects of vaping, and the short term studies, the truer short term studies we'll say, not ones doctored for political or regulation reasons, are proving it is safer than smoking or even dipping. Propylene-glycol (PG) last study on it was in the 1940s showed no long term effects, this is one of the carrier segments of e-liquids, generally all the flavorings are in PG suspension, PG is also used in toothpaste, albuterol inhalers, asthma emergency inhalers, and hospitals pump it through the ventilation systems to combat bacteria and such as it is a de-humicant (de-hydrates things). Vegatable Glycerin (VG) can come from a variety of plants, this includes corn, palm seed, walnut oils, the list is long, used as a sweetener in a lot of things, long term downside I could see with VG is it being metabolised into fats and sugars (weight and diabetes problems) but being such a benign substance can't seeing it doing any major damage to a person. Nicotine, the third ingredient for those liquids with nicotine, is not all derived from "Tobacco", nicotine is in any of the "Nightshade Plant Family", which includes tobacco, tomatoe, egg-plant and various others, most nicotine in liquid or powder form is mainly extracted from tomatoe and egg-plant, you also have TFN which is made created nicotine made in a lab, still natural nicotine just it was not made by a plant, studies have shown just nicotine by itself is just as addictive as caffiene, so not the monster that lobbyists and politically motivated anti-smokers/vapers want everyone to believe. Fourth major ingredient is are the flavorings themselves, this is the biggest danger of e-liquids, some like custards, creams, buttery flavored liquids can contain a chemical diacetyl (natural) and acetyl propionyl or AP (artificial version) have been linked to a condition called popcorn lung which can be a downright nasty condition to deal with, though in e-liquids the D/AP keytones are fractions of what are found in traditional cigarettes, I noticed you listed above a hot cinammon flavor, those as well can have issues with long term use due to the acidity of hot cinammon which can eat and melt plastic, just forewarning on that.

Basically if you are concerned, the best tool in your arsenal is the section above your shoulders, second most valuable tool is a computer and a search engine, research and study before diving in. I've worked in the food service industry myself, and the fact that smokers seem to get extra breaks, I can see where you are coming from. Working in a vapor shop now myself while also working from home I do have customers that have started vaping to control their weight, anxiety, diabetes, COPD, asthma, and various other valid reasons, curbing your appetite, stress, and anxiety, I know where you are coming from, customers nowadays in the food industry are just insane some times. Study and read up on your options and potential issues you can foresee, this and many other forums are a treasure trove of answers coupled with a google or duckduckgo search, remember, the only stupid question I believe is the one never asked.

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custards, creams, buttery flavored liquids can contain a chemical diacetyl (natural) and acetyl propionyl or AP (artificial version) have been linked to a condition called popcorn lung which can be a downright nasty condition to deal with, though in e-liquids the D/AP keytones are fractions of what are found in traditional cigarettes,

Popcorn lung is caused by breathing in the chemicals in powder form: it got its name after a number of workers in microwave popcorn factories came down with the malady.

They had been breathing in the substance in dry form.

Despite this, you will see many false claims (sometimes quoting nurses/ spokespeople from medical associations, etc.) that vaping causes popcorn lung.

This has proven false yet is repeated a lot
 

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Popcorn lung is caused by breathing in the chemicals in powder form: it got its name after a number of workers in microwave popcorn factories came down with the malady.

They had been breathing in the substance in dry form.

Despite this, you will see many false claims (sometimes quoting nurses/ spokespeople from medical associations, etc.) that vaping causes popcorn lung.

This has proven false yet is repeated a lot

This may be true, but google searching and such the scare is there, I only raised it that it "Could" be an issue, not would be an issue, we still have yet to see the 20yr, 30yr, 40yr study markers to say yay or nay, but also I've seen with those cases some if not all those workers were also smokers so were getting super concentrated D/AP exposure compared to others.
 

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Simply put, try eating hard candies like peppermint, or candy sticks, and vaping if you don't want to chomp candies. 0 mg juice is pretty harmless. Ignore popcorn lung posts, they are just trying to get web hits or are being paid by big tobacco., Harvard actually printed an entire article regarding a biased study released by one of their research departments, including an apology and up to date, realistic data. For example a cigarette has 100 to 750 times more diacetyl than vape juice. Nobody has ever gotten popcorn lung from smoking (or vaping). As another person mentioned, it was a condition in popcorn factory workers who inhaled the dust on a daily basis long term. Such as lead poisoning in factories that work with products containing lead. I worked in a pewter production factory, and we had to take precautions.. such as not licking the bars of pewter, washing hands before eating or smoking, and annual testing. None of us actually had lead poisoning from working there, but we still had to be made aware of how to reduce the risks.

Now, for the end user or customer.. they really didn't have to worry about it. Since pewter food items (cake servers, forks, baby items) contain no lead, and how often do you go around sucking on your picture frames and candle stick holders?

I believe, the actually number of confirmed cases of popcorn lung is 8? All of which worked in popcorn factories. That is 8 world wide. There is one other case, where the person reportedly ate 2 bags of popcorn per day for 20 years. That was dubious, but they were awarded a cash payout in court.
 

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You might also find this very helpful in answering your question...
 

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I believe, the actually number of confirmed cases of popcorn lung is 8? All of which worked in popcorn factories. That is 8 world wide. There is one other case, where the person reportedly ate 2 bags of popcorn per day for 20 years. That was dubious, but they were awarded a cash payout in court.

Eight sounds about right, I was going to say less than a dozen.
And an added (unconfirmed?) detail about Popcorn Guy was that he inhaled deeply on the freshly popped bags. Thought it was a decade or so, not two, but I really haven't thought about him in a while.


... I worked in a pewter production factory, and we had to take precautions.. such as not licking the bars of pewter...

I have an odd recollection of reading that Cornish Pasties were invented as a lunch food for Cornwall Tin miners in the 18th (?) century. You hold it by the crescent shaped crust (with your unwashed contaminated hands) and eat the meat pie, throwing away the crust after (glad it wasn't me... crust is the best part ;) ).

Now... as to why anyone would lick the pewter bar in the foundry? :eek:

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You might also find this very helpful in answering your question...


Thank you for that. I surprised myself and made the time to watch the entire hour long program. It was quite well presented/produced and held my interest. I doubt I'll ever care to watch A Billion Lives, and even Busardo, much as I like him, needs to be covering a bit of hardware I'm interested in for me to sit through one of his hour long reviews. :D

As to the content... appears to be well balanced with educated proponents on both sides of the issue, though the presenter, never having been a smoker, was a total git during his 4 weeks of vaping having no knowledge of the etiquette about where to aim what you exhale. :rolleyes:

I'll forgo the pages I could write on the conclusions and say it confirms most everything I've been speculating for a couple of years.

Vaping produces minute but measurable damage indicators even with a short month long test. But also tremendously reduces or virtually eliminates most all of the harmful effects and byproducts of tobacco combustion.

And my biggest concern all this time... the inhalation of flavorings created for ingestion is a massive question mark at this time, and I don't mean the various "nasties" we've been identifying and self limiting for a couple of years... just the flavorings themselves. It may be a decade or more before any conclusive results are in on that aspect, if ever.

So... if you're a smoker who wants to quit, vaping is as effective as NRT (patches, gum etc) but slows the healing of any airway damage (where it can heal) that has accrued over the period of smoking.
Further, the best, logical course is to use the e-cig as intended as a cessation aid, then quit the e-cig as well.

If you're a non or never smoker... just don't do it.
But everyone has the right to weigh personal risk, so if you're that desperate for a hobby or affectation, it's your choice.

All that said... I have two dozen mods and almost a decade's worth of stockpiled nicotine and continue to wonder if I want to continue vaping that long.

Like I said... personal risk assessment. I'll continue to think about it. :)
 

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Popcorn lung is caused by breathing in the chemicals in powder form: it got its name after a number of workers in microwave popcorn factories came down with the malady.

They had been breathing in the substance in dry form.

Despite this, you will see many false claims (sometimes quoting nurses/ spokespeople from medical associations, etc.) that vaping causes popcorn lung.

This has proven false yet is repeated a lot

Wooah! Nurse right here and I advocate for vaping 10 fold. I use medical journals galore to compound my research and disprove people's ignorance quickly. If a patient tells me they vape, I give them a high five and say good job getting off the death sticks!!! Haha
 

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The main thing you need to reduce risk, is good, solid, well founded information. For example, there are a million posts about popcorn lung, yet with only 1 in a billion people actually getting it, it seems more of a worry than some cheap, rewrapped, rejected battery blowing up. LOL if only 1 person in a billion got cancer from smoking... there wouldn't even be a concern.

Good information is your best friend. I'm one of those oddballs for whom the "why" matters. Oh I will take advice, like on batteries, but I have to look up WHY one is better than the other, even though I use the recommended battery, I like to know WHY.
 

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Wooah! Nurse right here and I advocate for vaping 10 fold. I use medical journals galore to compound my research and disprove people's ignorance quickly. If a patient tells me they vape, I give them a high five and say good job getting off the death sticks!!! Haha

Danka. :) Much needed.
 

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