How to "Increase" nic levels from 24mg/10ml to 42mg/10ml -Using ingredients below?

[DavidV]

Please move to correct forum if not in right forum.

Can anyone tell me how to "increase" nic levels from 24mg/10ml to 42mg/10ml -Using ingredients below?
Been using 42mg of nic for years but store went out of business.

Nicotine Solution - 100mg (120ml)
Base Liquid
50%PG / 50%VG

Menthol Tobacco – Bulk
Size
250ml
Nicotine Strength
24mg
PG/VG Ratio
50PG/50VG

Thanks
David

 

[BKTOAD]

Are you trying to make a 250ml bottle of 24mg/ml juice into a 42mg/ml juice?

Where does the 10 ml bottle come in?

Is the "menthol tobacco" a premade juice at 24mg/ml?

You would need to add a quite a of 100mg/ml base to your juice. Will absolutely alter the flavor a bunch if you are just adding it to a premade juice. You would have to add (ballpark figure) 50 ml of your 100mg/ml base to 250ml of premade juice. Will cut your flavor to like 80% of what you are used to.

 

[BKTOAD]

Did some more math.

To turn 250 ml of 24mg/ml prepared juice into prepared juice that is 42mg/ml, you would need to add 76.5 ml of 100mg/ml base. This would turn your 250 ml into 325 ml without adding any flavorings and will taste way different.

What kind of vape gear are you using (mod/atomizer/battery?)

42mg is barely safe to handle, much less vape. You must have quite a tolerance.

 

[DavidV]

Ty for responding. I do have empty 10 ml bottles so thought I would make 10ml bottles.
However may be smarter to make "250ml bottle of 24mg/ml juice into a 42mg/ml juice" as you have mentioned and then migrate to 10ml bottles?

Is the "menthol tobacco" a premade juice at 24mg/ml?
YES

makes sense about flavor.

really dont care about flavor. just nic levels
Smoke menthol so the closest I can get.

But ideally want 20% flavor (which means I gotta order more flavor

Thanks David

 

[DavidV]

Not sure what the store had it at. She was always high -so who knows..lol
She would take a 36mg/10ml bottle and add like 4-5 drops of 100% nic. (so not sure what the result was)

What kind of vape gear are you using (mod/atomizer/battery?)
Cheap one with small battery and wicks. Not into smoking up the entire room.
Just want to get off the real menthol cigs before they kill me.

David

 

[BKTOAD]

To do a test 10ml bottle, you can get to a 10 ml bottle of 41mg/ml juice if you take 2.25ml of your nic base and 7.75ml of your juice. I would say be careful when vaping it. Just very high nic level. Even for a basic vape pen.

 

[SteveS45]

To make 10ML of 36MG into 42MG it would require adding .6ML of 100MG Nicotine which my calculator shows would be an estimated 12 drops of a 50/50 VG/PG Nicotine Base. I do not think you were actually vaping 42MG which when I entered that into the calculator I got a big RED Warning that NICOTINE Level was EXTREMELY HIGH. To make a 10ML Batch at 42MG it requires 4.2ML of 100MG Nicotine which is a serious amount.

 

[BKTOAD]

he is trying to go from 24 to 42

But I agree. Super high nicotine.

He wants to get to 42mg/ml. In a 10 ml bottle, that is a total of 420mg nicotine itself.

His juice is 24mg/ml. If he uses 7.75 ml of this juice, he has a total of 186 mg of nicotine.

His base is 100mg/ml. if he uses 2.25 ml of this base, it adds a total of 225 mg of nicotine.

total of 411 mg of nicotine itself per 10 ml. or a juice that has a concentration of 41.1mg/ml.

 

[SteveS45]

To make 10ML at 24 into 42 takes 2ML of 100 MG/ML nicotine.

 

[SteveS45]

My statement was addressing the high vape store worker who he said added 4 or 5 drops to 36MG. By my calculations it would not be 42MG. I have never seen anything over 24MG in any of the stores in my area.

 

[DavidV]

Thanks for all your help. Adding 2 ml of 100% nic sounds right. Same thing my supplier said. And yes was always leary to see a few drops added to existing 36mg/10ml bottle and why I ended up going back to cigs bc nic was not high enough.
I was on e-cig for a year (36+ mg) without any issues.

TY BKToad. You have provided enough numbers for me to reverse calculate. Thanks!

A ton of calculators to reduce nic levels... Very few calculators to increase?

Might create one and put some ads on it since no once else is doing it. lol

David

 

[SteveS45]

With a calculator you can do what you want increase or decrease but the nicotine levels you are trying to achieve are UNSAFE. I think you need to learn how to use the calculators because from what you are saying it doesn't seem to me at least that you have used one. Flying by the seat of your pants is not very smart when ingesting Nicotine.

Good Luck and I hope we do not read about you in the news.

 

[SteveS45]

 

[SteveS45]

Ooops wrong Thread

 

[DavidV]

Steve I am sure you would of read about me on the news by now. lol thanks for your concern truly.

 

[SteveS45]

David I am only trying to be helpful and hopefully keep you from making a stupid mistake. In my humble opinion when it comes to nicotine error on the side of caution. Easy to vape more than get an OD of nicotine in a few puffs.

 

[Daintanee]

Hey David. Tell u what. To start why don't you just make up 1 10 ml. Bottle with an increase in nicotine and taste it b4 making a huge amount. You could even try just mixing in just 1/2 ml. Of 100 mg. Nicotine to 4.5 ml of base and taste for strength and taste. I know that is not giving you 42 mg. Of nicotine, but what I am suggesting is to make small batches to taste for flavor and strength. You can always add more if it doesn't suit you. I mean if the lady was high...who knows if she even knew what she was putting in there. I'd just play it safer and slowly increase it. I just can't imagine even vaping 24 mg. Sometimes you can get hooked on a good flavor to quit also. Wishing you luck, but as all have cautioned I have no idea what vaping that high level of nicotine will do to you short/long term.

 

[SteveS45]

I know that too much 12MG to 18MG will give me a headache or stomach ache with a fast heart rate. That is a personal observation from a real life experience. That was 1 to 2 ML of e-Liquid

 

[Daintanee]

My bad.

 

[Daintanee]

I know that too much 12MG to 18MG will give me a headache or stomach ache with a fast heart rate. That is a personal observation from a real life experience. That was 1 to 2 ML of e-Liquid

When I began I had no trouble with 18 mg and a vape pen, but went down to 12 mg in a few months. Found subtank and now at 6 mg. I agree that amount of nicotine is poison, but David's ? has been answered and he has been cautioned.

 

[SteveS45]

When I bought a MOD and an Aspire i went to 3MG and added some 12MG and 18MG in my tank when I needed a kick in the head. Now since I started DIY so much e-Liquid available not need for higher nicotine as I have what I want when I want. More vaping means more nicotine. When a 3oML bottle lasted a week now I can vape more with the same enjoyment but no nicotine overload. So more pleasure but less nicotine......

Working for me~!



/\ My e-Liquid storage area!

 

[BKTOAD]

http://e-liquid-recipes.com

Go to above site. You have 24 mg. Juice. You want to make it 42 mg. The difference is 18 mg. Plug in your desired nicotine to 18 mg. Plug in the mg. amount of nic you are adding. Plug in the amount you want to make. It will calculate how much nicotine you must add. The vg and of ratios would be the amount of your 24 mg. Juice you add. Ex below

- by Daintanee, today, at 03:46

Ingredient
ml
Drops
%

Nicotine juice 100 mg (50/50 PG/VG)
1.08
38
18

PG dilutant
2.46
87
41

VG dilutant
2.46
87
41

Total base
6
212
100


Totals
6
212
100






Strength: 18 mg
PG/VG-ratio: 50/50
Flavor total: 0 ml (0%)
Drops per ml: 35
Price: 0.00

Hate to be a naysayer, but it doesn't work this way.

If he is making a 10 ml bottle, adding 1 ml of nic base to 9 ml of prepared juice he would be at 31 mg/ml.

9ml × 24 mg/ml= 216mg (his purchased juice)
1 ml × 100mg/ml = 100mg

Total nicotine in 10 ml= 316mg
Which = 31.6 mg/ml finished product.


Another (hypothetical)example of this in action:

You have a 10 ml bottle of 0mg ejuice. You want to make it into 10mg/ml juice.

If you simply added 1 ml of 100mg/ml to 10 ml then you would be at ~9mg/ml (100 mg total nic in 11 ml total liquid)

Need to account for all of the volume and nicotine in the juice, not just where you started or what you added.

 

[Daintanee]

Hate to be a naysayer, but it doesn't work this way.

If he is making a 10 ml bottle, adding 1 ml of nic base to 9 ml of prepared juice he would be at 31 mg/ml.

9ml × 24 mg/ml= 216mg (his purchased juice)
1 ml × 100mg/ml = 100mg

Total nicotine in 10 ml= 316mg
Which = 31.6 mg/ml finished product.


Another (hypothetical)example of this in action:

You have a 10 ml bottle of 0mg ejuice. You want to make it into 10mg/ml juice.

If you simply added 1 ml of 100mg/ml to 10 ml then you would be at ~9mg/ml (100 mg total nic in 11 ml total liquid)

Need to account for all of the volume and nicotine in the juice, not just where you started or what you added.

Ahh, crap. You are so right. TY.

 

[SteveS45]

Ahh, crap. You are so right. TY.

Don't get too upset it was an honest mistake. If this was ECF a Moderator would publicly berate you, delete the post and send you a warning!

Good Morning by the way!

 

[Daintanee]

Don't get too upset it was an honest mistake. If this was ECF a Moderator would publicly berate you, delete the post and send you a warning!

Good Morning by the way!

Wow, was it really that bad over there? I guess I was lucky to find VU right first!

 

[SteveS45]

Wow, was it really that bad over there? I guess I was lucky to find VU right first!

In a word............. YES!

 

[Bobx]

Not sure what the store had it at. She was always high -so who knows..lol
She would take a 36mg/10ml bottle and add like 4-5 drops of 100% nic. (so not sure what the result was)

David

Even she did not know. She had no clue what she was selling you and it is a good thing she has gone out of business!!

If you still have one of the bottles she mixed up, you could get a nic testing kit and test it yourself to see what you were really at. In fact I would test everything you have in stock if you bought it form her. Businesses like that are here today and gone tomorrow. They are just in it for the money. What ever the customer wants they get, good or bad, just pay me.

I agree that 42mg is way to high to be vaping. You may find it OK now but in time it will/can affect you. You say you want to stay off the cigs and maybe even quit all together. Well feeding yourself 42mg is not going to get you there. The idea is to lower your nic level, at least it is for me, so you lose the need for smoking.

 

[soulshine]

Also, and maybe it was already said...but I'm too lazy to read every post....how can you even trust that you were getting 42 nic? It sounds like the lady had absolutely NO idea what she was doing anyway. It actually could have been 36 or even 24 for all you really know (if you never tested it). A lot of ex smokers I talk to seem way preoccupied with "getting the EXACT same amount" they got with their smokes. To a degree...that's all in your mind. Just like people to convince themselves that any ejuice actually tastes like a burning cigarette..LOL I'd be willing to bet that if you just vaped the liquid that you got, it would end up being fine. I mean if you look it up, the average cigarette contains 8mg to 20mg with the average being somewhere around 12. Even if yours were on the high end of that, I seriously doubt that your body would crave 42mg juice. Just saying.....

 

[manthe]

Vaping 42mg/ml liquid is like smoking 2 unfiltered cigarettes at the same time while simultaneously dipping a huge pinch of snuff, chewing a huge wad of chewing tobacco and 'enjoying' a huge black cigar - all while wearing a nicotine patch! ;-)

 

[AmandaD]

Some people do need much higher nic levels to quit smoking. For those that need it, it's sure better than smoking. I had to make a 42mg mix for a friend who was having nic fits - it worked!

I also suggest getting a nic testing kit to see what level was actually made previously (they're cheap from places like wizard labs, I believe). And do use a calculator when using nic to avoid getting nic sick (which won't kill you but it's unpleasant).

 

[soulshine]

Some people do need much higher nic levels to quit smoking. For those that need it, it's sure better than smoking. I had to make a 42mg mix for a friend who was having nic fits - it worked!

I also suggest getting a nic testing kit to see what level was actually made previously (they're cheap from places like wizard labs, I believe). And do use a calculator when using nic to avoid getting nic sick (which won't kill you but it's unpleasant).

I understand that some people do need unusually high nic....my point was that some people get "overly concerned" about it (much like the people who can't feel totally satisfied without "big clouds"). Hell, I would never have trusted someone that I knew to be "high all the time" to make my juice in the first place...but he is where he is. By all means, if you need 42 mg to get off of cigarettes, do whatever you have to do. Just learn what YOU are doing and most of all, do it safely

 

[SteveS45]

I just think people are more concerned with the OP not actually vaping 42MG e-Liquid and him getting a serious head rush when he does. From my calculations what she added did not give him 42 but I wasn't there and do not know what was done. I do know that trying to calculate making 42MG was getting BID RED WARNING of an extremely high nicotine content.

 

[Puff]

Here is my spin if I don't have 36 mg per ml Im not a happy vapor its been 6 years, I have no dought in my mind that without my puffer I would be smoking .

Sent from my SGH-T999

 

[BigNasty]

Vaping 42mg/ml liquid is like smoking 2 unfiltered cigarettes at the same time while simultaneously dipping a huge pinch of snuff, chewing a huge wad of chewing tobacco and 'enjoying' a huge black cigar - all while wearing a nicotine patch! ;-)

If you are chewing snuff you are in the wrong in so many ways.

And I will add you need a better functioning set up. I was a 36-48 pen vaper and unhappy as all get out, switched out of tanks.
I was a triple user snuff, snus and smoking. Then vaping, snus and snuff. Until I got gear that would deliver.
9 would would now sit me firmly on my ass, 12 I would be borderline panic attack and above that... no just, no.

 

[MrScaryZ]

42mg of Nicotine whole bejesus