Is there a good, safe french toast flavor?

[joeyboy]

Looking for a good, safe French toast flavor that contains no bad stuff. I saw the reddit thread with the discontinued recipes due to the bad stuff in the flavorings. Seems most use TFA Waffle, TFA Cinammon Danish and and TFA Vanilla Swirl. But they have the bad stuff, according to the thread.

Is there something else? I found the TFA Waffle (Belgian) but don't know how that compares and if it has stuff that should not be vaped.

Thanks

 

[Huckleberried]

Here are the results for the TFA Waffle - Belgian.
http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/componentlist.aspx?sku_search=345183

 

[joeyboy]

Here are the results for the TFA Waffle - Belgian.
http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/componentlist.aspx?sku_search=345183

From what I remember reading Acetoin is bad or am I wrong?

 

[joeyboy]

From what I remember reading Acetoin is bad or am I wrong?

Found the thread. Thanks for the link.

 

[Huckleberried]

It's one of the A's that people talk about so much when they say, D-A-A. Diacetyl, Acetoin and Acetyl Proprionyl. The warnings are there for the vaper to decide. I use them on occasion, but I don't vape them all day, everyday.

Here are a couple threads in regards to these:
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/diacetyl-acetyl-propionyl-and-acetoin-in-flavorings.3351/
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http://vapingunderground.com/threads/diacetyl-and-acetyl-propionyl.70164/#post-461664

 

[joeyboy]

It's one of the A's that people talk about so much when they say, D-A-A. Diacetyl, Acetoin and Acetyl Proprionyl. The warnings are there for the vaper to decide. I use them on occasion, but I don't vape them all day, everyday.

Here are a couple threads in regards to these:
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/diacetyl-acetyl-propionyl-and-acetoin-in-flavorings.3351/
&
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/diacetyl-and-acetyl-propionyl.70164/#post-461664

I accidently bought one with acetoin but it has <0.5%. I will use it since it will be used in such small amounts and in not every recipe. At least I have the TFA list site to look at them.

Thanks for the info.

 

[lirruping]

My understanding is that acetoin, on its own, is not thought to be harmful. If I remember right, acetoin occurs frequently in combination with diacetyl... possibly as a by-product, or vice versa? I bought Belgian Waffle several months on the understanding that acetoin by itself was considered OK.

Here is a quotation from the thread Huck referenced above:

"In the interview with Russ Wishtart, starting at about 99 minutes in, Dr. Farsalinos responds to a caller concerned about acetoin in flavorings and discusses the relationship of acetoin to diacetyl:

'Acetoin is one of the chemicals that produce a buttery flavor. It is one of the three main chemicals that produce this flavor. The other ones are of course diacetyl and acetyl propionyl. Acetoin by itself is not a reason for concern...however, since...during the production of acetoin diacetyl is also produced, it is possible that the [diacetyl] contamination issue we saw [in our study]--in some liquids that contained diacetyl, but not at very high levels, so [our conclusion was that in those cases] it is not intentionally added [and we theorize that] the contamination levels that we found may have come from acetoin.

Therefore, you may get an acetoin flavoring which is not very pure acetoin but contains traces, or somewhat higher levels of diacetyl... So from this perspective, it is a problem. But acetoin itself, as a substance, is not a problem when inhaled.Unless--and this is something we are going to test--unless acetoin is transformed into diacetyl during heating. ... It's very unlikely that [diacetyl] will come out during the steeping process or [over time sitting in a bottle] but, by heating, there is a possibility that we have to check, whether when you heat acetoin [to the temperatures used in e-cigarettes] that there is a production of diacetyl. We have to check that to make sure, otherwise, acetoin is not a reason for concern by itself.'"

The above interview is from many months ago and I don't know if the research on heating acetoin has been done yet. e-cigarette-research.com is a good place to check on that. If you do, please post what you find in this thread for the sake of keeping the info together: http://vapingunderground.com/threads/diacetyl-acetyl-propionyl-and-acetoin-in-flavorings.3351/

 

[HeadInClouds]

If Dr. Farsalinos stated acetoin is not "reason for concern," his opinion conflicts with NIOSH/CDC and the research studies they used to arrive at recommended exposure amounts. The huge document for those with lots of spare time: http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docket/archive/pdfs/NIOSH-245/0245-081211-draftdocument.pdf (which is linked to just about everywhere I've ever discussed "those" ingredients, including the thread mentioned above; just open it and search for "acetoin")

 

[Laughmore]

I would just like to add that I recently realized that TPA whipped cream doesn't have D-A-A or butyric acid - I just assumed it was loaded with them since it fits the profile. Note the triacetin >10%, like TPA Smooth but with cream instead of fruit notes.

What I'm saying is we ought to "whip it out more often!" It's in my current vapemail - super curious about that mouth feel as an addition to familiar recipes and new.

 

[Huckleberried]

I would just like to add that I recently realized that TPA whipped cream doesn't have D-A-A or butyric acid - I just assumed it was loaded with them since it fits the profile. Note the triacetin >10%, like TPA Smooth but with cream instead of fruit notes.

What I'm saying is we ought to "whip it out more often!" It's in my current vapemail - super curious about that mouth feel as an addition to familiar recipes and new.

I like it, but it's pretty sweet. Good mouth feel.