Is there any alternative to the VTC4 that is really 30 AMP?

[conanthewarrior]

Hi people.

My SMOK Xcube 2 didn't turn up today, the store said they will be arriving tomorrow.

They also said because sony stopped making them 2 years ago the VTC4's I own must be fake, send them straight back.

They seem identical to my genuine VTC4's, but as it is a bit of a lottery that you may get a fake, what other options are there?

It is to power my higher wattage device/(devices tomorrow) when I feel like going a bit mad. Like full blast for a few minutes of fun.

So, anyone know of an option that is viable for use in high wattage devices?

 

[conanthewarrior]

If you're looking for a short blast on occasion, there are higher continuous amp rated cells. But the trade off, and there HAS to be one, is capacity. So you might find a well regarded cell that's 35 or 40A but only 1200mAh.
Have a look around until some comments show up here. There should be plenty of opinions out there whether it's a workable idea.

I understand. What perplexes me though is sony managed a 30 Amp 2100MAH battery, I wonder why no other company has? Maybe for the devices they are meant for that amp rating is not needed, and 20 is the highest devices use?

 

[kwtony]

I use both INR and VTC4 exclusively on my suboxes. Black on gets the vtc and the white gets the INR...

INR seem to last longer...

 

[conanthewarrior]

That's probably a good part of it... potential or projected market.

I was thinking last week, again, about what whiny bitches so many vapers are about our battery performance. Man... we abuse the shit out of these things. We ride them hard. Then complain. Damn, it's a freakin' miracle the amount of energy we get packed in this little form factor.
And I tried to think of other "hard" users.
I know you had a toe in the torch fanatics world. Do they need the amps? Capacity, yes. But the "punch". Is that needed?
I thought of RC enthusiasts. I don't know if they're all Lipo or if there are any uses for our cells.
Who else uses these things, and which of those groups uses them hard?

I know when I was into RC helicopters, large collective pitch things, they use LIPO batteries, not Li-ion.

There is a few over there that DO need the amps, they create mods that can light up a whole field like it was daylight. Guess what their favourite brand for that is? Bloody EFEST. They do the graph tests, and the super modders over there all say the Efests perform the best.

I was wondering how one of the worst in vaping can be one of the best in another area? Bit of a paradox.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Also, a 30 Amp battery is needed, even if it is like 1500MAH. I realise what I have got today is probably £10 down the drain, and my previous ones also is another £14 gone as I got them from a vape shop.

I realise it is highly unlikely they are real, they look quality, but I know the chines have become great at faking them.

I used the first ones at 150 Watts for extended periods, but if there is a chance they are NOT what they claim to be, I will NOT be doing that again. I am not risking it.

I would rather be limited to 116 watts (which is plenty anyway) with the 25R's, than potentially vent a rewrapped battery that could be ANYTHING.

Also, these batteries have been on charge for about 4 hours. nearly full, but not completely charged. Could that mean they ARE genuine ones, that have sat around and the voltage has dropped quite low, but luckily they was saveable?

Also, what are the warning signs of venting? I gather heat is one, is there any others?

 

[conanthewarrior]

I think my first set of VTC4's ARE genuine, as I got them from a reputable vape shop, and they assured me they were real.

The ones that arrived today are EXACTLY the same as the ones from the vape shop, so I either have 2 genuine sets, 1 genuine set and one extremely good copy set, or 2 sets of extremely good copies.

I really hope they are genuine, at least the first ones, as I have regularly took them to 130-150 Watts, no signs of heat or anything, but if there is a chance, they have to go and I need to get a lower capacity, high amp battery. I just need to know what that battery is, it will be for rare occasions I want to go mad, but the VTC4's I bought from the vape shop last quite well, just a bit shorter than the 25R's as is to be expected.

I am going to test these new batteries at low wattage, 50 maximum, and see if the life is the same. If not, I know they are not genuine. If they last the same amount, I kind of know they are. Or I pray they are.

 

[Jayvon633]

Another battery that is true 30 amp is the LG HB6 but it is only 1500mah. Iv heard it has way less internal resistance though so its supposed to hit harder i havent tried them myself yet though.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Another battery that is true 30 amp is the LG HB6 but it is only 1500mah. Iv heard it has way less internal resistance though so its supposed to hit harder i havent tried them myself yet though.

Ok so thats like 3000MAH? So it would last similar to a single battery mod, maybe a bit more? Thats fine with me as I only have short blasts of higher power fun, like when I do do it it is like an hour max out of the whole day.

Having the Smok Xcube 2 is great, but the puff counter is scary. I did not know I vaped so much lol. Im up to 170 today, but I have also used my d2 and sig 150 for a little while too, so probably double that.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Now, the vtc 4's I had yesterday made it to 750 puffs, with life still left. I am not sure they are genuine though. I was only using them at 25 watts max. The ones I know to be genuine are currently at 180 puffs, and the battery is half full.

I don't know if this is evidence to the new ones being fake, or because they are new and have not been used at ultra high wattage, have more capacity? The first set of genuine VTC 4's are about 3 months old.

 

[NemesisVaper]

I've had a pair of HB6 for about 5 months. They hit like... A 4.2V lithium ion battery ;-), seriously though, I've never noticed a difference. They just don't last long enough for me. Good for cloud comp use I guess but if I were going over the 30A limit I'd rather take my gables with 25Rs. At least they've been tested at a 45A pulse for 5 seconds.

 

[BrattVapes]

Also, a 30 Amp battery is needed, even if it is like 1500MAH. I realise what I have got today is probably £10 down the drain, and my previous ones also is another £14 gone as I got them from a vape shop.

I realise it is highly unlikely they are real, they look quality, but I know the chines have become great at faking them.

I used the first ones at 150 Watts for extended periods, but if there is a chance they are NOT what they claim to be, I will NOT be doing that again. I am not risking it.

I would rather be limited to 116 watts (which is plenty anyway) with the 25R's, than potentially vent a rewrapped battery that could be ANYTHING.

Also, these batteries have been on charge for about 4 hours. nearly full, but not completely charged. Could that mean they ARE genuine ones, that have sat around and the voltage has dropped quite low, but luckily they was saveable?

Also, what are the warning signs of venting? I gather heat is one, is there any others?

Does the Smok Cube support PWM?? My IPV 3 Li does, which means I can use my 25R's past that 115... Of course it is not continuous, the PWM does alright. I have not tried it extensively, and until I do I am withholding the written review I will post here. I may write it up Tuesday.

Anyways, nothing that I have seen is what you are looking for that is an original battery, save maybe(?) a LG battery, of which I have not researched heavily. I know the LG batteries when compared to the 25 R actually fall off in the higher amp ranges despite the claims that they are improved. I love my 25R's. They last a good while, and they pack the punch I need from them. I hardly use the triple digits, and I may in the future, but as of now have not needed/wanted to. I will probably only do this to write a proper review.

 

[BrattVapes]

And to add to this - If the Smok does support PWM, then you don't require the amp limit, as you are relying on pulse amp limits, and that leaves you with a 25R as they have been tested up to 100 watts I believe for one second..