Thank you for taking the time to view my review on the Laisimo Warriors dual 20700 mod. This was provided directly from Laisimo for the purpose of this review, more info can be found here: http://www.laisimo.com/goods-63.html
Edit 12-4-2017: Laisimo responded that they have changed the look. They no longer have the black top and bottom as shown in the pics of the review sample I used. The top and bottom are now the same color as the body which I personally feel give it a classier look.
There is a lot to get into so if you would like to save some time I go over most of the major points in my Pros and Cons as well as conclusion. In most mod reviews I disassemble the mod to take a look at the internals, the same was done here to show the 510 connection.
Specs:
What you get
That pretty much covers it, the silicone tube is a 18650 adapter in case you don't have any 20700 batteries which are not included.
First impressions
Right out of the box the finish on the copper is really nice, wasn't crazy about the LED bezel around the screen though. I know there are a lot of mods coming out with LED lights and if that's your thing then you might like this but it's my thing, luckily the lights can be always off which is how I used it.
I have to admit that I wasn't expecting the black to and bottom based on the pics from Laisimo's website I posted a pic of above. If it was all copper top and bottom that would have looked a lot nicer in my opinion but it doesn't look so bad with a copper topper with a black drip tip.
Looking at the 510 placement my first thought was oh no, why didn't they center it so 30mm tanks would sit nicely with no overhang. Much to my surprise though 30mm tanks still sat nicely with no overhang, still would have liked a centered 510 but my frown was turned upside down
Now as you might see in the pic above the tank does not sit flush, the reason for this is the 510 is slightly raised.
It is a good thing if you don't want tank rash on the top of your mod but bad thing if a tank that does not sit flush takes your OCD to hyper drive. I personally hate tank rash on top of my mods and use mod guards to save myself the horror of seeing the missing paint that drives me nuts. For me the slight gap is much better than any circular paint removed but up to you to decide.
The battery door is well done although there is some play when open to instal or remove batteries. Not once in my month of using the Warriors has the battery door come close to opening on it's own, real noce job on that.
There is some button rattle from both the power and up/down buttons when you shake shake shake. In normal use they have been fine for me, nice and clicky with a solid feel.
Power mode and preheat settings
Standard power mode, no variable wattage curve or super slope wattage mofo modes here but they do include a preheat which is engaged by pressing the + and fire button at the same time for 3 seconds. This is not a percentage based preheat like some other mods, here you set the watts and the time the mod fires at that setting. For example if you want to vape at 50 watts but are using a big coil that takes awhile to heat up you can set the first second to fire at 75 watts then drop down to 50. You would just need to be careful if you are using a high wattage tank and have your preheat set to 150 watts. If you then switch tanks to a low powered tank which only needs 40 watts you will need to go back into the preheat settings and adjust. You can also just forget about it and set the time on the preheat to it's lowest setting, 0.10 seconds which essentially will disable it.
I tested power versus a Lost Vape Triade DNA250 and everything seemed pretty close until I got to about 175 to 200 watts, there the DNA250 seemed to give me a little more throat hit which I am thinking was the Warrior running out of gas a little. Fresh batteries in both, the DNA250 with 3 Sony VTC5A 18650 and the Warriors with iJoy 20700. I could see the battery sag on the fire bar of the Warrior so I decided to try a fresh set of Sony VTC5A 18650 batteries in it as well. The battery sag with the Sony VTC5A was nil on the Warriors although I still preferred the DNA250 but now it was closer and both were so fricking hot I doubt many would notice the difference. Didn't try 230 as my throat could not take anymore. I would not say the Warriors is DNA accurate but it is good.
SS316L TC mode
Here I got varying results based on my build. With a standard single core SS316L clapton or just a straight wire the TC was good but varied, I didn't always get consistent results with the ohms locked and unlocked. It wasn't choppy but sometimes just right and other times a little hot.
A note on TC you have to read the ohms with a cold tank, to do this you press and hold the + and - buttons until you get to the resistance screen. Select read and press the fire button to get the resistance, you then press + and - again to get to the same screen then you can select lock with the fire button then you have to press and hold the fire button to lock.
With more complex SS316L builds like multi stand fused claptons or aliens the TC performance was more erratic. Sometimes it was good but never great and I began to run into a "The atomizer does not match" warning and the vape would stop. The warning came with the resistance locked and unlocked but the same build would work fine with my other mods in TC. On one particular build using advanced vape supplies triple core fused claptons I did not get the warning but the temp was off by 20 to 25f on the cold side.
I did try the TCR function as well but it varied so much I could not get consistent TC vape, sometimes it was good and other times I had to make adjustments using the same tank and build.
Based on my inconsistent results I would not recommend the Warriors for TC vapers, I found myself reverting back to power mode most of the time.
510 connection
A lot of times varying results with TC are due to a bad 510 connection so I popped the top to take a look.
The pin is attached to a disc with a spring mounted under
Secured from under with a nut so no fear of a press fit 510 falling out
Now I have to say the Warriors read the resistance just about spot on when comparing to other mods and a coil master 521 tab.
I don't know if the spring placement could be the culprit of inconsistent TC performance I got, not sure how it could be. After a month of use the spring it still nice and firm.
If you look closely on my pics you will see some juice as well on the rubber washers on the 510. No juice made it's way into the mod, could be accumulated condensation but I thought it should be noted.
Size comparisons vs other 20700 mods
Since I own both the iJoy Captain and Genie dual 20700 mods I thought a size comparison may come in handy.
The Warriors is 4mm taller than the Captain and 5mm taller than the Genie
The width is the same as the Captain, the Genie is much wider
Both the Warrior and Captain hold 30mm tanks with no overhang, the Genie does not, it has about 1mm overhang on the front.
Weight wise they are all very close, loaded with 20700 batteries the Captain was the lightest at 10 oz, Warriors 10.10 oz and the Genie 10.16 oz.
The Captain I have not used in more than a month and the Genie I just got and have not even gone through a set of batteries yet. The Captain I never felt was a great mod but not terrible either, I got one of the later models where they fixed the 510 issue. The Genie irks me as before it's release it was advertised as accommodating 30mm tanks, only 28mm tanks with fit without overhang.
The Captain feels a little more comfortable in the hand, not a huge difference compared to the Warriors but the carbon fiber adds to a little more comfort. The Genie is the least comfortable which was the opposite of what I would have thought, it just feels bulky.
Battery life
No puff counter so I can only go on my experience during a month of use. I would not say battery life was wow using dual 20700's but I could go a full day at moderate watts. Battery life was decent as well with a pair of Sony VTC5A batteries using the supplied adapter.
When I got the battery warning I removed both batteries and measured 3.21 and 3.24V on both 20700 batteries. This was while I was using the mod at 65 watts, if high wattage vaping I am sure the cutoff would have been higher due to battery sag.
Onboard charging via USB although Laisimo warns to not use the mod while charging. I don't need no stinking rules so I took a vape while it was charging and it worked, passthrough charging but I would advise against it and charge your batteries with a good quality external charger. I have to say that the charging seemed pretty slow using a 2A wall wart, the manual specifies using a 5V/2.5A charger but I don't seem to have one of those.
Edit 12-4-2017: Laisimo responded that they have changed the look. They no longer have the black top and bottom as shown in the pics of the review sample I used. The top and bottom are now the same color as the body which I personally feel give it a classier look.
There is a lot to get into so if you would like to save some time I go over most of the major points in my Pros and Cons as well as conclusion. In most mod reviews I disassemble the mod to take a look at the internals, the same was done here to show the 510 connection.
Specs:
- 93mm high, 32.5mm wide, 49mm length
- 6.05 oz without batteries
- 0.96 inch color screen
- Dual 20700 or dual 18650 with supplied adapter
- 230 watts
- Max output current 35A
- resistance range 0.1 to 3.0 ohms
- TC: SS 304 326 and 317, Ti, Ni and TCR
- Available in Copper, Brass, Black, Purple and Rainbow
What you get
That pretty much covers it, the silicone tube is a 18650 adapter in case you don't have any 20700 batteries which are not included.
First impressions
Right out of the box the finish on the copper is really nice, wasn't crazy about the LED bezel around the screen though. I know there are a lot of mods coming out with LED lights and if that's your thing then you might like this but it's my thing, luckily the lights can be always off which is how I used it.
I have to admit that I wasn't expecting the black to and bottom based on the pics from Laisimo's website I posted a pic of above. If it was all copper top and bottom that would have looked a lot nicer in my opinion but it doesn't look so bad with a copper topper with a black drip tip.
Looking at the 510 placement my first thought was oh no, why didn't they center it so 30mm tanks would sit nicely with no overhang. Much to my surprise though 30mm tanks still sat nicely with no overhang, still would have liked a centered 510 but my frown was turned upside down
Now as you might see in the pic above the tank does not sit flush, the reason for this is the 510 is slightly raised.
It is a good thing if you don't want tank rash on the top of your mod but bad thing if a tank that does not sit flush takes your OCD to hyper drive. I personally hate tank rash on top of my mods and use mod guards to save myself the horror of seeing the missing paint that drives me nuts. For me the slight gap is much better than any circular paint removed but up to you to decide.
The battery door is well done although there is some play when open to instal or remove batteries. Not once in my month of using the Warriors has the battery door come close to opening on it's own, real noce job on that.
There is some button rattle from both the power and up/down buttons when you shake shake shake. In normal use they have been fine for me, nice and clicky with a solid feel.
Power mode and preheat settings
Standard power mode, no variable wattage curve or super slope wattage mofo modes here but they do include a preheat which is engaged by pressing the + and fire button at the same time for 3 seconds. This is not a percentage based preheat like some other mods, here you set the watts and the time the mod fires at that setting. For example if you want to vape at 50 watts but are using a big coil that takes awhile to heat up you can set the first second to fire at 75 watts then drop down to 50. You would just need to be careful if you are using a high wattage tank and have your preheat set to 150 watts. If you then switch tanks to a low powered tank which only needs 40 watts you will need to go back into the preheat settings and adjust. You can also just forget about it and set the time on the preheat to it's lowest setting, 0.10 seconds which essentially will disable it.
I tested power versus a Lost Vape Triade DNA250 and everything seemed pretty close until I got to about 175 to 200 watts, there the DNA250 seemed to give me a little more throat hit which I am thinking was the Warrior running out of gas a little. Fresh batteries in both, the DNA250 with 3 Sony VTC5A 18650 and the Warriors with iJoy 20700. I could see the battery sag on the fire bar of the Warrior so I decided to try a fresh set of Sony VTC5A 18650 batteries in it as well. The battery sag with the Sony VTC5A was nil on the Warriors although I still preferred the DNA250 but now it was closer and both were so fricking hot I doubt many would notice the difference. Didn't try 230 as my throat could not take anymore. I would not say the Warriors is DNA accurate but it is good.
SS316L TC mode
Here I got varying results based on my build. With a standard single core SS316L clapton or just a straight wire the TC was good but varied, I didn't always get consistent results with the ohms locked and unlocked. It wasn't choppy but sometimes just right and other times a little hot.
A note on TC you have to read the ohms with a cold tank, to do this you press and hold the + and - buttons until you get to the resistance screen. Select read and press the fire button to get the resistance, you then press + and - again to get to the same screen then you can select lock with the fire button then you have to press and hold the fire button to lock.
With more complex SS316L builds like multi stand fused claptons or aliens the TC performance was more erratic. Sometimes it was good but never great and I began to run into a "The atomizer does not match" warning and the vape would stop. The warning came with the resistance locked and unlocked but the same build would work fine with my other mods in TC. On one particular build using advanced vape supplies triple core fused claptons I did not get the warning but the temp was off by 20 to 25f on the cold side.
I did try the TCR function as well but it varied so much I could not get consistent TC vape, sometimes it was good and other times I had to make adjustments using the same tank and build.
Based on my inconsistent results I would not recommend the Warriors for TC vapers, I found myself reverting back to power mode most of the time.
510 connection
A lot of times varying results with TC are due to a bad 510 connection so I popped the top to take a look.
The pin is attached to a disc with a spring mounted under
Secured from under with a nut so no fear of a press fit 510 falling out
Now I have to say the Warriors read the resistance just about spot on when comparing to other mods and a coil master 521 tab.
I don't know if the spring placement could be the culprit of inconsistent TC performance I got, not sure how it could be. After a month of use the spring it still nice and firm.
If you look closely on my pics you will see some juice as well on the rubber washers on the 510. No juice made it's way into the mod, could be accumulated condensation but I thought it should be noted.
Size comparisons vs other 20700 mods
Since I own both the iJoy Captain and Genie dual 20700 mods I thought a size comparison may come in handy.
The Warriors is 4mm taller than the Captain and 5mm taller than the Genie
The width is the same as the Captain, the Genie is much wider
Both the Warrior and Captain hold 30mm tanks with no overhang, the Genie does not, it has about 1mm overhang on the front.
Weight wise they are all very close, loaded with 20700 batteries the Captain was the lightest at 10 oz, Warriors 10.10 oz and the Genie 10.16 oz.
The Captain I have not used in more than a month and the Genie I just got and have not even gone through a set of batteries yet. The Captain I never felt was a great mod but not terrible either, I got one of the later models where they fixed the 510 issue. The Genie irks me as before it's release it was advertised as accommodating 30mm tanks, only 28mm tanks with fit without overhang.
The Captain feels a little more comfortable in the hand, not a huge difference compared to the Warriors but the carbon fiber adds to a little more comfort. The Genie is the least comfortable which was the opposite of what I would have thought, it just feels bulky.
Battery life
No puff counter so I can only go on my experience during a month of use. I would not say battery life was wow using dual 20700's but I could go a full day at moderate watts. Battery life was decent as well with a pair of Sony VTC5A batteries using the supplied adapter.
When I got the battery warning I removed both batteries and measured 3.21 and 3.24V on both 20700 batteries. This was while I was using the mod at 65 watts, if high wattage vaping I am sure the cutoff would have been higher due to battery sag.
Onboard charging via USB although Laisimo warns to not use the mod while charging. I don't need no stinking rules so I took a vape while it was charging and it worked, passthrough charging but I would advise against it and charge your batteries with a good quality external charger. I have to say that the charging seemed pretty slow using a 2A wall wart, the manual specifies using a 5V/2.5A charger but I don't seem to have one of those.
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