LG HB4 vs. LG HD4 Vaping

[NickyGiaccone]

I bought 2 pairs each of the LG HB4 and LG HD4 18650s. I already own 4 of the same HB4s and think they're the best of all batteries after this final personal informal test. I use the Koopor Primus 300W which is why I need 4 batteries for my current favorite device. My new awesome Aspire Cleito 120 .16ohm Clapton is best using the (120W max) coil at 104W with LG HD4s fully charged and loaded into my Primus. This is 2200mAH and 25amps continuous running all 4 18650s in parallel. I had no issue with the vapor and flavor production at all, and was surprised by the tank quality before naming it my new go-to tank. About one hour later, I swapped to 4 parallel LG HB4 30amp 1500mAH-1600mAH (according to Mooch) and WOW there was a sudden and DRASTIC increase in vapor production, smoother hits, and more flavor without any gurgle whatsoever. I was turning my home into a giant cloud and I loved the taste of my bubblegum e-liquid. I thought this cannot be possible so I swapped back the HD4s 20mins later and had a decline in my overall vaping experience. Much fewer clouds, rougher hits, puffing became different. I needed to puff much longer to achieve anything near what I had been having blast out during the HB4 test. Most surprising was the lack of flavor even if it was slight. I keep hearing that I'm stupid or just silly, but let's say that's true, why the hell is everybody I know believing me when I show them the difference between an LG HB4 and ANYTHING else less amazing as far as amperage and performance? Can somebody explain this? I'm about to try the new DNA 200 firmware out with the tank and compare that to these two types of batteries. I'm puzzled because it doesn't make sense and am looking for answers. Thanks.

 

[conanthewarrior]

I think the best thing to do would be a blind A. B. test between the batteries-as your friends may expect the batteries to perform better in the mod after hearing your results, placebo can be very strong indeed.

Also, are you sure it is the Primus you are using? As it takes 3 18650's in series, not 4 in parallel(They go in the same way up but the wiring is series).

At 104W there shouldn't be noticeable difference, especially with a regulated mod using 3 18650's as it is within the HD4's and HB4's CDR.

 

[Paratech]

I agree with @conanthewarrior in questioning if you are certain it is the Primus.
I own that mod and it only takes 3 batteries.
I also wonder why you are going to try the DNA 200 firmware on this mod.
I'm pretty interested to find out what mod you are using.
As for your battery experience, I have the HE2 and HE4 of LGs as well as some 30Q but I haven't tested either of the HB4 or HD4.
I'm curious of the real word results in comparison at 110-170 watts.

Per @Mooch posted at https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...00mah-battery-in-between-hd2-and-hd2c.739018/
"Bottom Line
This is a great 25A continuous, 2100mAh battery.
The HD4 is a slightly better performer than the HD2 due to its higher voltage during discharge and its longer running time.
But it has a slightly lower voltage and running time than the HD2C."
He also provides the following for comparison;
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/attachments/image-jpeg.601353/
(towards upper right corner once zoomed in)

 

[nightshard]

For around 120W the best option would be 30Qs/HG2s.
Since your device is regulated you shouldn't notice any difference in performance, only that the 30Qs/HG2 would last you 1.5 times longer then the HD4s and 2 times longer then the HB4s (roughly).

 

[NickyGiaccone]

I think the best thing to do would be a blind A. B. test between the batteries-as your friends may expect the batteries to perform better in the mod after hearing your results, placebo can be very strong indeed.

Also, are you sure it is the Primus you are using? As it takes 3 18650's in series, not 4 in parallel(They go in the same way up but the wiring is series).

At 104W there shouldn't be noticeable difference, especially with a regulated mod using 3 18650's as it is within the HD4's and HB4's CDR.

oh...the wiring is series? I did not know. I wondered why it wasn't as drastically improved as I assumed it would be. Thanks fellas.

 

[NickyGiaccone]

I agree with @conanthewarrior in questioning if you are certain it is the Primus.
I own that mod and it only takes 3 batteries.
I also wonder why you are going to try the DNA 200 firmware on this mod.
I'm pretty interested to find out what mod you are using.
As for your battery experience, I have the HE2 and HE4 of LGs as well as some 30Q but I haven't tested either of the HB4 or HD4.
I'm curious of the real word results in comparison at 110-170 watts.

Per @Mooch posted at https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...00mah-battery-in-between-hd2-and-hd2c.739018/
"Bottom Line
This is a great 25A continuous, 2100mAh battery.
The HD4 is a slightly better performer than the HD2 due to its higher voltage during discharge and its longer running time.
But it has a slightly lower voltage and running time than the HD2C."
He also provides the following for comparison;
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/attachments/image-jpeg.601353/
(towards upper right corner once zoomed in)

How could I now be certain about which device I bought and am using? I knew not of the wiring but usually all batteries inserted in the same direction are called parallel running. It's definitely the Primus because that's what I liked and bought. Is the mild jealous undertone taking hold of the answers, because I seriously am curious as hell as to why the batteries impact my vaping to such an extent depending on amperage?

 

[NickyGiaccone]

Oh, and the 4-battery description was a typo. I meant 3x18650 mod.

 

[NickyGiaccone]

Thanks, though, given the typo and the fact I wasn't privy to how the Koopor Primus is wired lol, I guess you guys were nice and answered as best as you could. I think I will choose the HD4s since I need to buy more after dropping the HB4s and HD4s and damaged them badly. Thanks. I didn't read your posts closely enough. Some guys on here are mean to casual vapers like myself with questions. Take care, guys

 

[conanthewarrior]

oh...the wiring is series? I did not know. I wondered why it wasn't as drastically improved as I assumed it would be. Thanks fellas.

Hi there mate .

Nobody meant anything nasty here the way I can see it, we was just a bit puzzled if it was the primus, or a different mod you was using due to the 4 vs 3 battery typo's lol.

I have a lot of mods (at the moment 36, 26 regulated) and I find that as long as I am using good batteries, such as Samsung's or LG's, I can use either 2500MAH or 3000MAH batteries in my dual/triple 18650 mods. Due to the way regulated mods work, especially multi battery ones, very high wattage can be achieved at a reasonable amp load, and a 20A CDR cell should be good for 200W with 3 18650's- now this is a very high level of power, and I know the Primus can put out 300W, but unless you plan on going 200W+, I would go for some higher capacity cells.

The primus is one mod I don't actually own, but hear it is very good compared to SMOK's older offerings.

If you like LG batteries, the LG HE4 is great-this is a 2500MAH battery, and with 3 of them you will get a good runtime-they are what I use in my triple 18650 devices.

If you are really set on going for the HD4's, there is also nothing wrong with that, they will allow you to go a bit higher wattage wise but with a slightly lower capacity.

In general, I find most people are nice to casual vapers, but there are a few wherever you go-please don't let the few bad eggs spoil it for you! I myself joined here with no idea what I was doing at all, and learnt lots during my stay here.

All the best, Conan.

 

[Paratech]

There was seriously NO bad intentions or negative thoughts.
Simply trying to understand what mod you actually have so we can provide the best advice.
Yes, most generally when all batteries are turned the same direction they are parallel however the way the Primus is wired it is not.
In the even you want to run more power than the batteries can handle you could be putting yourself in danger of a battery venting.
I questioned it being a Primus based on your accidental statement of 4 batteries as well as you stated you were about to test the latest DNA 200 firmware on it.
Since it isn't a DNA device it through me off.
As long as you have what you need and all is safely working, all is well.

 

[nightshard]

At the full 300W (100W per battery) no batteries are good enough not even the HB4s, but at 120W (40W per battery) there should be no noticeable difference unless the HD4s you have are fakes.

In fact for that wattage I would go with bigger capacity 20A batteries like HG2s or 30Qs

 

[conanthewarrior]

At the full 300W (100W per battery) no batteries are good enough not even the HB4s, but at 120W (40W per battery) there should be no noticeable difference unless the HD4s you have are fakes.

In fact for that wattage I would go with bigger capacity 20A batteries like HG2s or 30Qs

You are right there- at 300W that would be 31.25A, and that is before efficiency is even factored in!

I think the OP would get best results from what you suggest, a 3000MAH battery like the 30Q or HG2, as these will be suitable for all but the very rare people who want to vape at over 200W (With a triple 18650 device like the Primus). They will experience longer runtimes the the power they are using the mod at, and are still well within the batteries CDR at 104W. (Just under 11A-not sure on efficiency so say 90% 12A).

I don't know why the HB4s seem to perform better than the HD4's for the OP though, except for placebo maybe- I know this can be very strong, as I have experienced it myself in the past thinking one battery was fantastic, and better than what I had, until I found out they was rewraps of what I already owned lol.

 

[martnargh]

25r ftw

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[NickyGiaccone]

You are right there- at 300W that would be 31.25A, and that is before efficiency is even factored in!

I think the OP would get best results from what you suggest, a 3000MAH battery like the 30Q or HG2, as these will be suitable for all but the very rare people who want to vape at over 200W (With a triple 18650 device like the Primus). They will experience longer runtimes the the power they are using the mod at, and are still well within the batteries CDR at 104W. (Just under 11A-not sure on efficiency so say 90% 12A).

I don't know why the HB4s seem to perform better than the HD4's for the OP though, except for placebo maybe- I know this can be very strong, as I have experienced it myself in the past thinking one battery was fantastic, and better than what I had, until I found out they was rewraps of what I already owned lol.

I only vape just under 200W max.

 

[NickyGiaccone]

I like the LG HB4s for 30amp appropriate resistance and wattage vaping and the new Sony VTC5A 25amp 2600mAH battery for casual vaping.

 

[conanthewarrior]

I only vape just under 200W max.

Ok, that is a high wattage you vape at! But if it works for you that is all that matters .

With the Primus, due to its 3 cell, series set up, vaping at 200W is possible, and safe with what you are using- 20.8A at cut off voltage where amp load is highest, but with batteries that are more charged you are under 20A! So you could use batteries with a higher capacity than the LG HB4's for even your 200W vaping.

Not many people do vape at 200W, but the fact we now have safe ways to vape at this power level is pretty amazing I think.