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hey guys i am a big cloud chaser. i love my flavor builds but i like to keep a cloud build ready for fun. im always looking for a better build and have built on both mech and regulated mods. i have built with both kanthal and nichrome. i recently bought 550 ft of assorted ss316L wire (22-36 gauge wire) and am comfortable building low. i have a great understanding of battery safety and know my limits on mech mods. if i get too low i can use tem p control on my box mods to safely run super sub ohm. i have run .07 on my mech mod safely but wont go any lower. even then i get uneasy until i have run these coils for a bit. i consider myself an good builder and am looking for advice on cloud builds. especially with ss316L
 
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twan013

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Did you mean 0.7 or 0.07? For as long as I've been building (only a few months) I always aim for 0.2ohms. I recently found out that none of my clapton wire is any good because the wrap is too thick (32g, everyone tells me I should try 36 or 38). I like my basic round wire builds a lot better. Twisted or parallel 26g or 24g.

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Sorry i did mean .07. If you are looking for a good build for clouds with kanthal use 5 wraps of 20 gauge dual coil around 3mm id. If you are using nichrome use 6 or 5 with 2.5mm or 3mm. You can use those on mech mods. I've even done 5 wraps of 24g 316L or 22g 316L on 2.5mm with a mech mod. Just be sure you have either the LG he2 batteries or the efest purple 18650s
 

ScReWbALL

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3 Strands of 26ga SS316L Wrapped in Parallel 7 times around a 2.4mm - Dual Coils
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3 Wraps of 20ga Kanthal around a 3mm - Dual Coil
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Triple-Core Alien Coils - 26ga SS316L Cores with 36ga NiChrome 80 decor - 5-Wraps around a 3mm - Dual Coils


You're not drinking water are you?! You realize that stuff is found in antifreeze!?!
 
I've been playing around. I've actually built a 26/32g ss316l 5 wrap around a 2.5 jig that chucks pretty good cloud and has pretty good flavor. Im vaping on it as we speak. Has pretty good ramp up on a mech mod.
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ScReWbALL

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Ive seen that 3 wrap 20 gauge build by havent tried it yet.

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It’s right at the limit you said you will build down to at .07. Extremely hot build, so, need lots of airflow. Pulse firing is best with fresh batteries...once they drain a bit, longer pulls are doable


You're not drinking water are you?! You realize that stuff is found in antifreeze!?!
 
It’s right at the limit you said you will build down to at .07. Extremely hot build, so, need lots of airflow. Pulse firing is best with fresh batteries...once they drain a bit, longer pulls are doable


You're not drinking water are you?! You realize that stuff is found in antifreeze!?!
Lol the water and antifreeze thing makes me laugh. Im a big car guy


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Good Series Box Build
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Dual Parallel Single Core Claptons - 28ga Kanthal Core with 32ga Kanthal Wrap - 8 Wraps around a 3mm.


You're not drinking water are you?! You realize that stuff is found in antifreeze!?!
 

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Sorry i did mean .07. If you are looking for a good build for clouds with kanthal use 5 wraps of 20 gauge dual coil around 3mm id. If you are using nichrome use 6 or 5 with 2.5mm or 3mm. You can use those on mech mods. I've even done 5 wraps of 24g 316L or 22g 316L on 2.5mm with a mech mod. Just be sure you have either the LG he2 batteries or the efest purple 18650s

I would never EVER use efest batteries on a mech mod. Especially with a build of .07. Efests are rewraps of other companies batteries that didn't meet their specifications. So you're gambling with your safety.

Edit: They say they're rated for 35amps. That a bunch of shit. No 35A 18650 battery exists as far as i know. I bet those efests are pulling closer to 15-20 amps
 

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I would never EVER use efest batteries on a mech mod. Especially with a build of .07. Efests are rewraps of other companies batteries that didn't meet their specifications. So you're gambling with your safety.

Edit: They say they're rated for 35amps. That a bunch of shit. No 35A 18650 battery exists as far as i know. I bet those efests are pulling closer to 15-20 amps
They are rewraps, some used to be 20 amp, but some also tested as 10amp!
Companies that put a ridiculous amp rating like 35 amps on a 3000mah battery should have them taped to their dicks with a 35 amp load.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.re...mv/efest_purple_20a_3500mah_18650_bench_test/
 

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They are rewraps, some used to be 20 amp, but some also tested as 10amp!
Companies that put a ridiculous amp rating like 35 amps on a 3000mah battery should have them taped to their dicks with a 35 amp load.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.re...mv/efest_purple_20a_3500mah_18650_bench_test/
No shit, bet he wouldn't put his dick on the line for a sale.

Salesmen: Here buy these super 1337 efest.
Me: strap my series .07 build to your balls and take a few pulse puffs.


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Man, I was just browsing dh gate and was amazed at all the cloned VTC5A’s. I’m not one to condemn cloned mods/RDA’s, I have several clones of authentics I would never put the kind of cash down even if I was rich for what they want for the real deal. Others are companies who I love their product but dislike the douche bags who own the company and I’d never give them my hard earned money, but cloning batteries is lower than whale shit, putting people in danger for a buck.

People especially new vapers, get your shit from a known good source like IMR or lions.
 

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As you can see by the chart I posted. Unless you are using a parallel box mod for a mech, you are preparing to blow your face off. There is NO 18650 batttery rated above 30amps so if you are vaping 0.07ohms with a single battery, at some point you will become a statistic. Please make sure you are either running a parallel box mod with 2 Batteries rated at a minimum of 25 amps CDR or increase your resistance. Thank you.

Sincerely,
Every vaper who does not want to see you in the Main Stream Media with shrapnel in your face.

CV :)
 

Chainvapor

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Some batteries like the LG HB6 Pink are rated at 40 Maximum Vaping Amps by Mooch.

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/attachments/img_1186-jpg.699709/

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Yes, I understand that. But you should always build for the CDR rating, not maximum. The Maximum is a safety cushion and should not be used as your amp rating for builds. Safety should always come first with these batteries. There are plenty of parallel box mods on the market that would be fine with good batteries and a 0.07ohm build. So why take chances when there is no need to?

CV :)
 

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Yes, I understand that. But you should always build for the CDR rating, not maximum. The Maximum is a safety cushion and should not be used as your amp rating for builds. Safety should always come first with these batteries. There are plenty of parallel box mods on the market that would be fine with good batteries and a 0.07ohm build. So why take chances when there is no need to?

CV :)
The Mooch battery chart lists the HB6 Pink as having the highest CDR at 32A.
 

Chainvapor

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The Mooch battery chart lists the HB6 Pink as having the highest CDR at 32A.

Than I stand corrected. I had not seen that one before. Thank you for the update. I apologize for not seeing that before. I do follow Mooch for recommendations and ratings, but that must be a newer one I had not seen before. Again, I apologize for the oversight. Thank you for the correction. My comment above still stands for a 0.07ohm build though. 32amps would still be grossly underrated for a 0.07ohm build.

Happy Vaping!
CV :)
 

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Than I stand corrected. I had not seen that one before. Thank you for the update. I apologize for not seeing that before. I do follow Mooch for recommendations and ratings, but that must be a newer one I had not seen before. Again, I apologize for the oversight. Thank you for the correction. My comment above still stands for a 0.07ohm build though. 32amps would still be grossly underrated for a 0.07ohm build.

Happy Vaping!
CV :)
Just updated today.
 

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Yes, I understand that. But you should always build for the CDR rating, not maximum. The Maximum is a safety cushion and should not be used as your amp rating for builds. Safety should always come first with these batteries. There are plenty of parallel box mods on the market that would be fine with good batteries and a 0.07ohm build. So why take chances when there is no need to?

CV :)
"We pulse our batteries when we vape. This means we can use them at much higher levels than what the continuous current tests show."
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/b...ngs-picking-a-safe-battery-to-vape-with.7447/

I vape at .11 ohms on a mech with just a single VTC5A battery all the time. You just need to make sure you know what you're doing and the fire button never gets pressed on accident for a long time... if I pull out the battery it never feels warmer than 45°C/113°F so that's how I know I'm not causing more wear and tear on it than what's still considered as 'normal use'.
 

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"We pulse our batteries when we vape. This means we can use them at much higher levels than what the continuous current tests show."
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/b...ngs-picking-a-safe-battery-to-vape-with.7447/

I vape at .11 ohms on a mech with just a single VTC5A battery all the time. You just need to make sure you know what you're doing and the fire button never gets pressed on accident for a long time... if I pull out the battery it never feels warmer than 45°C/113°F so that's how I know I'm not causing more wear and tear on it than what's still considered as 'normal use'.

0.11 ohms will only pull 31.82 amps at 3.5 volts (which is about right with voltage sag). That means you are pretty close to the CDR. The 0.07ohm build is at 50 amps at 3.5 volts. I mean I know it doesn't sound like much, but 0.07 ohms and 0.11 ohms is a much bigger difference than what it looks like. To each their own though. I just want everyone to be safe. I see a lot of posts where people are pushing the limits more than needed. My number one concern is that nobody gets hurt. My second concern is the bad press it will cause when a battery does vent and explodes a mod in someone's face.

Happy Vaping!
CV :)
 

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0.11 ohms will only pull 31.82 amps at 3.5 volts (which is about right with voltage sag). That means you are pretty close to the CDR. The 0.07ohm build is at 50 amps at 3.5 volts. I mean I know it doesn't sound like much, but 0.07 ohms and 0.11 ohms is a much bigger difference than what it looks like. To each their own though. I just want everyone to be safe. I see a lot of posts where people are pushing the limits more than needed. My number one concern is that nobody gets hurt. My second concern is the bad press it will cause when a battery does vent and explodes a mod in someone's face.

Happy Vaping!
CV :)
According to Mooch's pulsed current data, the voltage sag of a freshly charged VTC5A if pulsed at 30 amps is only about .5 volts so 4.2 minus .5 equals 3.7 volts. But 3.7 volts divided by .11 ohms equals ~33.64 amps, not 30 amps. So the voltage sag I'm getting is slightly bigger than .5 volts, and, therefore I'm only at ~3⅔ volts, not at 3.7 volts. 3⅔ volts divided by .11 ohms equals ~33⅓ amps, which is still 3⅓ above Mooch's MVA rating for the VTC5A. But as the battery gets discharged a little further with every pull, the volts go down so, due to Ohm's law, the amps go down with every pull as well, thus moving closer toward the MVA rating as time passes. Further, the resistance of a coil build goes up as the coils heat up (and in fact it heats up to pretty high temperatures after the wicks get dry in the event that the fire button gets pressed on accident for a long time), and, in addition, we need to also factor in the resistance of the tube mod. Finally, I never press my fire button on accident. That's simply because I have a little bit of extra wisdom.
 

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Damn, those black vapcells coming out of nowhere giving the HB6 a run for their money. Personally I’m a VTC5A fan, lately I hang around .13 on tubes and appreciate the extra mah. Some good points above, once you get down into super sub ohm territory even a fraction of a fraction of an ohm makes way more difference in amp draw. When we are .1 that’s only 1/10 of an ohm away from a dead short.
Definitely tread lightly and never get too comfortable, keep that respect and bit of fear that makes you stop and think :cheers:
 

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Damn, those black vapcells coming out of nowhere giving the HB6 a run for their money. Personally I’m a VTC5A fan, lately I hang around .13 on tubes and appreciate the extra mah. Some good points above, once you get down into super sub ohm territory even a fraction of a fraction of an ohm makes way more difference in amp draw. When we are .1 that’s only 1/10 of an ohm away from a dead short.
Definitely tread lightly and never get too comfortable, keep that respect and bit of fear that makes you stop and think :cheers:
Due to Ohm's law, the relationship between the ohms and amps is inverse linear. In addition, the more amp draw, the bigger the voltage sag causing the volts to go down. Now, also due to Ohm's law, the relationship between the volts and amps is linear so no, it doesn't make way more difference in amp draw, but rather, the difference ( =the increase) in amp draw actually grows smaller and smaller as the ohms go down. Finally, because the relationship between the watts and amps is linear, as is the relationship between the watts and volts, the difference ( =the increase) in watts grows much more smaller as the ohms go down. (The fact the volts go down works in tandem with the fact the difference in amp draw goes down as well.) So the bottom line is with a single VTC5A in a mech, the farther you go below .11 ohms ( =the sweet spot for me on a single VTC5A in a mech), the less additional watts you gain in return. Below .11 ohms you're just taxing the VTC5A more so it is less safe, and, both the longevity ( =the cycle life) and the runtime start to fall down steeply.

But if you can be happy with .13 instead, then such is your luck. Me, on a single VTC5A, I prefer 27g/36g Nichrome80 aliens dual coil at 4.5 wraps, 2.5mm ID. I love the VTC5A. I love the iJoy 20700 (Molicel 20700 rewrap, but it performs the same) and the iJoy 26650 as well, though, albeit only in a dual series mech. For a single battery mech I will continue to use both the VTC5A and the iJoy 20700. However, for single battery use, I hope to move from the iJoy 20700 to this one in a near future:
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...rately-rated-a-sanyo-ncr20700a-rewrap.837069/
...as it performs the same as the non-rewrap (and nowhere to be found) Sanyo NCR20700A.
 

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Due to Ohm's law, the relationship between the ohms and amps is inverse linear. In addition, the more amp draw, the bigger the voltage sag causing the volts to go down. Now, also due to Ohm's law, the relationship between the volts and amps is linear so no, it doesn't make way more difference in amp draw, but rather, the difference ( =the increase) in amp draw actually grows smaller and smaller as the ohms go down. Finally, because the relationship between the watts and amps is linear, as is the relationship between the watts and volts, the difference ( =the increase) in watts grows much more smaller as the ohms go down. (The fact the volts go down works in tandem with the fact the difference in amp draw goes down as well.) So the bottom line is with a single VTC5A in a mech, the farther you go below .11 ohms ( =the sweet spot for me on a single VTC5A in a mech), the less additional watts you gain in return. Below .11 ohms you're just taxing the VTC5A more so it is less safe, and, both the longevity ( =the cycle life) and the runtime start to fall down steeply.

But if you can be happy with .13 instead, then such is your luck. Me, on a single VTC5A, I prefer 27g/36g Nichrome80 aliens dual coil at 4.5 wraps, 2.5mm ID. I love the VTC5A. I love the iJoy 20700 (Molicel 20700 rewrap, but it performs the same) and the iJoy 26650 as well, though, albeit only in a dual series mech. For a single battery mech I will continue to use both the VTC5A and the iJoy 20700. However, for single battery use, I hope to move from the iJoy 20700 to this one in a near future:
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/bench-test-results-vapcell-gold-30a-3200mah-20700…accurately-rated-a-sanyo-ncr20700a-rewrap.837069/
...as it performs the same as the non-rewrap (and nowhere to be found) Sanyo NCR20700A.

Think I'm going to get a 20700 mod, looking at the 2JNT Dragon right now pretty hard (IMO the make the best Mod period). So I sucked it up the high shipping cost and just bought 4 Sanyo NCR20700A.
 

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Think I'm going to get a 20700 mod, looking at the 2JNT Dragon right now pretty hard (IMO the make the best Mod period). So I sucked it up the high shipping cost and just bought 4 Sanyo NCR20700A.
Do you mean the Pilak Supremo 24mm? It's gorgeous, but I don't see myself constantly polishing a silver mod... and I wouldn't want to trade my Hagermann Admiral 2 of 5 for it. :D
 

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Do you mean the Pilak Supremo 24mm? It's gorgeous, but I don't see myself constantly polishing a silver mod... and I wouldn't want to trade my Hagermann Admiral 2 of 5 for it. :D
Yep and Silver isn't difficult to keep clean at all. It's much, much easier than Copper. Plus you'll never get a harder or smoother hit.

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Anyone who's saying you can't go .07 with a single battery is stupid af. Learn your shit. Got a .07 22g dual parallel 10wrap dual coil on a vgod rda clone, vgod mech clone and a authentic Samsung 25r. And for the love of vaping. Anyone who's using efest batterys are retarded af and should do some research.
 

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Anyone who's saying you can't go .07 with a single battery is stupid af. Learn your shit. Got a .07 22g dual parallel 10wrap dual coil on a vgod rda clone, vgod mech clone and a authentic Samsung 25r. And for the love of vaping. Anyone who's using efest batterys are retarded af and should do some research.
Yeah, right if you say so Slick.

Clouds Bro!

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The person you replied to hasn't recommended vaping at .07 with a single battery to anyone. So still completely in line with this:
How do you read this?

Anyone who's saying you can't go .07 with a single battery is stupid af. Learn your shit. Got a .07 22g dual parallel 10wrap dual coil on a vgod rda clone, vgod mech clone and a authentic Samsung 25r. And for the love of vaping. Anyone who's using efest batterys are retarded af and should do some research.
 

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How do you read this?
I read it the way it's supposed to be read... don't be stupid by telling others what they can't do, because, as Mooch clearly stated, each of us can decide the risk we want to take ourselves. Use the CDR only as a recommendation to new vapers who ask about the safety limits, NOT as a safety number that is hard set in stone, but rather, use it for a starting point from which they can then find their own path themselves after that─just like Mooch explained in his own personal YouTube channel. You know as well as I do that a lot of people vape above the CDR, but that doesn't necessarily mean these people aren't perfectly aware of the fact that doing so increases the risk, or that they don't fully understand the risk.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCePHh3NMvu3rW2LFJeOWo-Q
 

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I read it the way it's supposed to be read... don't be stupid by telling others what they can't do, because, as Mooch clearly stated, each of us can decide the risk we want to take ourselves. Use the CDR only as a recommendation to new vapers who ask about the safety limits, NOT as a safety number that is hard set in stone, but rather, use it for a starting point from which they can then find their own path themselves after that─just like Mooch explained in his own personal YouTube channel. You know as well as I do that a lot of people vape above the CDR, but that doesn't necessarily mean these people aren't perfectly aware of the fact that doing so increases the risk, or that they don't fully understand the risk.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCePHh3NMvu3rW2LFJeOWo-Q
Well how I read how Mooch presents it is each individual is responsible for themselves. You know like drivers, stay around the speed limit but if one chooses to do 150mph on a 65mph stretch of road they're responsible for their own actions and the consequences of it. CDR like speed limits are what is safe, beyond that it is NOT safe. Like driving if you go a bit above no real biggie but if you double and above the limits that is well into reckless territory. If you choose to push it be prepared for the consequences, which if you pay attention to Mooch's videos he makes this clear. He also points out diminished returns that significantly become a factor when going super sub ohm. But the number one thing is "if" people choose to push into the reckless territory they must know what the fuck they're doing along with having the right tools.

What is irresponsible are those just flying in making super sub ohm seem like a "no big deal".
 

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Well how I read how Mooch presents it is each individual is responsible for themselves. You know like drivers, stay around the speed limit but if one chooses to do 150mph on a 65mph stretch of road they're responsible for their own actions and the consequences of it. CDR like speed limits are what is safe, beyond that it is NOT safe.
Incorrect. Vaping at or below the CDR is not safe. The batteries we use to vape on are not designed to be used outside of a battery pack with an electronic protection circuit and a battery management system. Lithium ion rechargeable batteries are dangerous. It is dangerous to vape on them. Going above the CDR poses an additional risk. New vapers who ask about the safety limit should be told to stay at or below the CDR, not because it is safe, but because the number was picked as a reasonable number to start with. So there truly are no hard numbers that are either safe or unsafe. What you just said about the CDR is only your own fantasy. Enough said.
Like driving if you go a bit above no real biggie but if you double and above the limits that is well into reckless territory.
This is yet another big fantasy of yours. Just read the thread... nobody here has mentioned anything about doubling the CDR and above, let alone recommended it.
If you choose to push it be prepared for the consequences, which if you pay attention to Mooch's videos he makes this clear.
I am prepared for the consequences, and such is my responsibility. But what has any of that got to do with the OP's question?
He also points out diminished returns that significantly become a factor when going super sub ohm.
How diminished is too diminished for someone else is not for you to decide. But what has that got to do with the OP's question?
But the number one thing is "if" people choose to push into the reckless territory they must know what the fuck they're doing along with having the right tools.
If people choose to push into the reckless territory, then for reasons that are obvious, they CAN'T know what the fuck they're doing. More fantasy.
What is irresponsible are those just flying in making super sub ohm seem like a "no big deal".
What is irresponsible are those constantly acting like an ohms nazi creating so much drama based on purely fantasy instead of helping others who are new to mechs start finding their own path.
 

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Incorrect. Vaping at or below the CDR is not safe. The batteries we use to vape on are not designed to be used outside of a battery pack with an electronic protection circuit and a battery management system. Lithium ion rechargeable batteries are dangerous. It is dangerous to vape on them. Going above the CDR poses an additional risk. New vapers who ask about the safety limit should be told to stay at or below the CDR, not because it is safe, but because the number was picked as a reasonable number to start with. So there truly are no hard numbers that are either safe or unsafe. What you just said about the CDR is only your own fantasy. Enough said.
Nothing is safe in life, but you can certainly poke the hornets nest like going super sub ohm on a single battery Mech

This is yet another big fantasy of yours. Just read the thread... nobody here has mentioned anything about doubling the CDR and above, let alone recommended it.
Really? So 0.07 isn't pushing around 60a?

I am prepared for the consequences, and such is my responsibility. But what has any of that got to do with the OP's question?
I was addressing Clouds bro with 0.07 build on a single battery Mech

How diminished is too diminished for someone else is not for you to decide. But what has that got to do with the OP's question?
Watch Mooch's Vid's, he has addressed this a few times. But yes you decide, just like a driver going 150mph down a highway with 60mph limit

If people choose to push into the reckless territory, then for reasons that are obvious, they CAN'T know what the fuck they're doing. More fantasy.
It's reckless exceeding the limit, no amount of spin you put out will change that. But if people really want to do it just like those who race cars they can cut down the risk by knowing what the fuck they're doing. But the risk is still there, much greater risk than staying within the limits that the batteries where designed for.

What is irresponsible are those constantly acting like an ohms nazi creating so much drama based on purely fantasy instead of helping others who are new to mechs start finding their own path.
I'm no Ohms i Nazi just state the facts and I have stated over and over again that those who choose to do it go for it but MUST know what the fuck they are doing. That and also have the proper equipment and tools. But statements saying double+ the CDR is perfectly safe is irresponsible, it's not and you know it.
 

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Nothing is safe in life, but you can certainly poke the hornets nest like going super sub ohm on a single battery Mech
Just because you THINK it compares to poking the hornets nest, doesn't also mean that it factually DOES compare.
Really? So 0.07 isn't pushing around 60a?
It depends. Nobody said anything about whether the battery is fully charged, just like nobody said anything about the resistance of the mod itself, but the real reason I'm telling you this is simply because the OP wrote "i have a great understanding of battery safety and know my limits on mech mods" so you very clearly are barking up the wrong tree, as Mooch said to recommend the CDR or below to those who write the exact opposite of what the OP wrote.
I was addressing Clouds bro with 0.07 build on a single battery Mech
Even so, you have no reason to assume that someone doesn't know what he/she is doing. Meaning, this is just your own little fantasy world you're living.
Watch Mooch's Vid's, he has addressed this a few times. But yes you decide, just like a driver going 150mph down a highway with 60mph limit
I have already watched all of them multiple times. Your assumption that I haven't is yet another fantasy so, yes, I decide, but no, your analogy is purely fantasy because there are no hard safety limits.
It's reckless exceeding the limit, no amount of spin you put out will change that.
It's reckless for people who, like you, are living in a fantasy world.
But if people really want to do it just like those who race cars they can cut down the risk by knowing what the fuck they're doing. But the risk is still there, much greater risk than staying within the limits that the batteries where designed for.
I'm almost willing to bet my left shoe on it that everyone else except you knows what the fuck all of us are doing. Nobody here has said the risk is not still there, and, like I said, the batteries are not designed to be used outside a battery pack with an electronic protection circuit and a battery management system so what that means is you're already outside those limits whether you like it or not.
I'm no Ohms i Nazi just state the facts
Do you mean gasbag facts from the likes of "Plus you'll never get a harder or smoother hit."? ;)
and I have stated over and over again that those who choose to do it go for it but MUST know what the fuck they are doing.
Like I said, you have zero reason to assume that they don't know what they're doing. So it truly is safe for you to stop acting like a child about that.
That and also have the proper equipment and tools. But statements saying double+ the CDR is perfectly safe is irresponsible, it's not and you know it.
Where the fuck in this thread do you see someone claiming double+ the CDR is perfectly safe? :rolleyes:
 

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Just because you THINK it compares to poking the hornets nest, doesn't also mean that it factually DOES compare.

It depends. Nobody said anything about whether the battery is fully charged, just like nobody said anything about the resistance of the mod itself, but the real reason I'm telling you this is simply because the OP wrote "i have a great understanding of battery safety and know my limits on mech mods" so you very clearly are barking up the wrong tree, as Mooch said to recommend the CDR or below to those who write the exact opposite of what the OP wrote.

Even so, you have no reason to assume that someone doesn't know what he/she is doing. Meaning, this is just your own little fantasy world you're living.

I have already watched all of them multiple times. Your assumption that I haven't is yet another fantasy so, yes, I decide, but no, your analogy is purely fantasy because there are no hard safety limits.

It's reckless for people who, like you, are living in a fantasy world.

I'm almost willing to bet my left shoe on it that everyone else except you knows what the fuck all of us are doing. Nobody here has said the risk is not still there, and, like I said, the batteries are not designed to be used outside a battery pack with an electronic protection circuit and a battery management system so what that means is you're already outside those limits whether you like it or not.

Do you mean gasbag facts from the likes of "Plus you'll never get a harder or smoother hit."? ;)

Like I said, you have zero reason to assume that they don't know what they're doing. So it truly is safe for you to stop acting like a child about that.

Where the fuck in this thread do you see someone claiming double+ the CDR is perfectly safe? :rolleyes:

So around 60a isn't doubling + CDR?
So 0.00 isn't a dead short and a limit?

Who's living in a fantasy land and acting like a child. Get a grip

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So around 60a isn't doubling + CDR?
It is. But you're entirely missing the point like usual, there's no chance in hell a .07 will draw 60A from a single battery, but you wouldn't know that because, in addition to what I already just told you regarding the charge level of the battery and the resistance of the mod itself, you're just too obtuse to also factor in the voltage sag.
So 0.00 isn't a dead short and a limit?
Nobody vapes at 0.00 so, again, you're just a silly child trying to find silly excuses instead of admitting you haven't a clue what you're talking about, even in the slightest.
Who's living in a fantasy land and acting like a child.
For reasons that are obvious, you are the only one in this thread living in a fantasy universe and not only are acting like a child, but a silly child at that.
Get a grip
Thanks, but I already have a grip. :rolleyes:
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It is. But you're entirely missing the point like usual, there's no chance in hell a .07 will draw 60A from a single battery, but you wouldn't know that because, in addition to what I already just told you regarding the charge level of the battery and the resistance of the mod itself, you're just too obtuse to also factor in the voltage sag.

Nobody vapes at 0.00 so, again, you're just a silly child trying to find silly excuses instead of admitting you haven't a clue what you're talking about, even in the slightest.

For reasons that are obvious, you are the only one in this thread living in a fantasy universe and not only are acting like a child, but a silly child at that.

Thanks, but I already have a grip. :rolleyes:
You stated that there are no limits

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N90 20ga 8wraps 3.5 id 08 my go to cloud tube build
Or
26ga n90 Parallel 3id 6wrap for a .1 is good as well


N90 20ga at 3.5id is .01 a wrap fast ramp up
I use Vtc 5a make core ur not chain vaping and pull cell. Now and then to test heat

Disclaimer
This is not safe vaping I ask that no one try’s my builds unless u understand the risk
I HAVE vented a 26650 due to to low 18650 due to to low and 1 almost vent on a 18650 on a hard short
There ya go take it for what it is

My allay vape is at .13-.15

I have cells set a side that I use for my low builds .1 and lower thy get thrown out every 90 days
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Carambrda

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You stated that there are no limits

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In terms of how people can vape, which is the point of the discussion, there are no hard and fast safe numbers and dangerous numbers:
Code:
https://youtu.be/rukKh92ZCOM?t=6314
But you know as well as I do that it is technically impossible to vape at 0.00 so now you're just trying to impress people with your nonsensical arguments.
 

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