Hello im just a newbie in vape i have a ipv mini 2 with samsung 25r battery a mutation x v4 and kanger subtank mini...so i wanna know if what wire is good to use for what i have...i want clouds and flavor...i prefer maybe .5 ohms...thanks in advance!
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Mutation x v4 and kanger subtank mini wire
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I have both the sub tank and the mutation v4 both are my go to attys. The sub tank for out and about vaping and the mutation for at home clouds. On the mutation i use 22g kanthal dual coils 3mm at .5 ohms for clouds i run it on my sigelei 150w. On my sub tank rba i use 26g kanthal 2mm single coil at .5 ohms and run in on either my sigelei 30w, istick 30w or k box mini 50w mods. Clouds on the mutation are huge and thick, i vape it between 60 and 80 watts. Flavor on the sub tanks is awsome and sclouds are good for a tank atty, i vape thise at 20-25 watts with the rba, the new rba plus i have taken up to 30 watts and can use 80/20 juice. Hope that helps you some.
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How many loops did you do to get .5 on the mutation with 22g?
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16 to 17 for each coil.
16 to 17?isnt 22g is kinda thick?...
I would need to check to be sure but i think i did 12 wraps on each coil and it can in at .4 ohms, i was going for .5
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He must have wrapped it around a 2mm bit.
mm thats the diameter right?how big or how small the cicrle coil is?
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That's the inside diameter of the coil. It's where the wick goes in.
Ok....got it...so if im making a .5 ohms with a 22gauge i need to loop 16 times for a dual coil...right?
Why?how many wraps should i do for a dual coil to get .5ohms?with 22gauge
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When you run dual coils the total resistance is half the resistance of each coil. So in order to vape at .5 ohms you need to make both coils 1 ohms. Use steam engine it really explains everything. Here's the link.
http://www.steam-engine.org/modrange.asp
Because i see other post that .5 ohms is good for mutation and kanger...i just only do like 20-40watts sometimes just up to 20-30 or 35watts...they also say its good flavor and clouds...what would you suggest?
Yeah...i checked it...i tried 22gauge 16loops...dual coil for .5 ohms but it was too big...wasnt able to use it...air flow get caught on the cotton or wire every time i turn it...took it out immediately...tom ill be buying some 24 and 26gauge...
Yeah according to vapers tool box you will nedd 15-16 wraps to get .5 ohms. It fits in my Mutation just fine you jjst need to manipulate the coils to get them placed right.
You're on the right path. Use 24g in the rda and 26g in the tank. For the rda try dual 24g, 3mm diameter, and somewhere around 5-8 wraps per coil. Dial in the power where you like. You'll probably end up in the 40-60w range.
Ok thank you!but i dont want to go to 60watts bec the ipv mini 2 use lots of battery thats why i only do 20-40watts and its ok to me also...for 24g how many loops to do .5 dual coil?
Since you're using a variable power mod forget about trying to hit a specific resistance. As long as it's above the minimum the mod will fire you'll be fine. If you want to keep the power requirement down, try 5 1/2 wraps of 24g at 2.7 - 3.0 mm. The more wire you use the more power you need.
Okidoki...ill try that later...thank you!
Not sure. I use either drill bits or precision screwdrivers. They're cheap and you know exactly what size they are. I think most of the little blue screwdrivers that come with vape gear are 2.4mm. Not sure as I'm not at home so I can't measure one right now.
Ok...thank you!when do i need to change coils and cotton?
Change the cotton when it gets nasty and isn't producing as much vapour. For me this is every 3-4 days. Take out the wick, heat up the coil till it glows a couple times (dry fire) to burn the gunk off then dip just the coils in water to clean them off. Dry fire again to dry off the water and then re-wick.
Coils can last a long time, as long as they come out shiny after cleaning, and are solid you're golden.
Also periodically check your screws are still snug on the wire, especially after dry-firing and re-wicking.
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Got it!thank you so much...ill be building my coil later...so excited...i hope i build it right...
I build the coil today it was a success!YES!but i think the .5 ohms on the mutation is kinda powerful i need to higher my watts...not good for me...maybe ill just go down to .3 or .4 ohms...so i can use lesser watts and save more battery...ipv mini 2 uses a lot of battery...thank you guys!
You need to go the opposite way if you want to use less watts. Build a higher ohm coil. Try 0.8
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But boomstick said the more wire you use the more power you need...so in the .8 ohms i need to do 18loops...so i need to turn up my watts maybe 55-60 to get a good vape...bec on .5 i have i put it on like 40-50watts and its good to go...when i fire it up like 30watts it takes long to heat and produce lot of smoke...
There is a reason 1.8ohm coils work fine at 7w but a 0.5ohm won't do shit at 7w. Go back and re-educate.
I'm happy with a 0.5ohm at 50ish watts, but my 0.15ohm doesn't liven up till over 80w.
If you want less ramp up time then use less metal by using a smaller gauge wire, not by dropping ohms.
If lower resistance used less power, there would be no reason for the high wattage box mods currently on the market. Conversely if less ohms used less power we'd all be super-ohming on mech mods instead of sub-ohm to reach our desired power.
I urge you to get the understanding of ohms law down before building further.
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I'm happy with a 0.5ohm at 50ish watts, but my 0.15ohm doesn't liven up till over 80w.
If you want less ramp up time then use less metal by using a smaller gauge wire, not by dropping ohms.
If lower resistance used less power, there would be no reason for the high wattage box mods currently on the market. Conversely if less ohms used less power we'd all be super-ohming on mech mods instead of sub-ohm to reach our desired power.
I urge you to get the understanding of ohms law down before building further.
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If you don't change wire gauge, less ohms is less wire. And build resistance has jack shit to do with how much power is used on a variable power mod. You may understand ohms law, but you obviously don't understand how it applies in a vw mod.
Thank for the info...but im still learning the vape stuff...im using the steam engine also as my guide and also learning how to use it...i also notice that boomstick is right the lesser the wire the lesser the watts also...because before i have a .3 ohms on my mutation(dual coild 6loops ithink or 7) and use it on 20-30watts is good but higher than 30watts i get burnt taste...
Is my build in the safe zone?...i also rebuild my kanger subtank mini occ...got .7 vape it in 35watts...on the mutation i got .5 vape it like 40-50watts...
Yea less wraps is also lower resistance. However he will be using more amps at the lower resistance and battery life will suffer.
VW mods aren't some magical way around ohms law. When you set your wattage then amperage is still determined by the resistance of your wire and voltage is adjusted accordingly to reach your set wattage. Yes you can adjust the end calculation in a VW mod, but the math is all still the same, you are just changing different variables in the equation.
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Unless there is some kind of malfunction, if your mod will fire it then the build is safe. That's not true with a mech, but it is true with the mod you're using. Battery voltage and watt setting determine the amp load placed on the batteries in a vw device, not build resistance.
I really don't see how that's possible tbh. I have 3 VW devices currently with each one as I increase wattage the voltage displayed also goes up as determined by ohms law, while keeping amperage the same as determined by resistance.
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You're information is incorrect. Coil current and battery current aren't the same in a vw device. The voltage being supplied to the coil isn't the same as the voltage being supplied to the chip. The current being supplied to the coil isn't the same as the current being supplied to the chip. You don't know what you're talking about. If nobody else comes along to explain it, I will when I get back home.
Some good info here.^^^
The best setup I had on my Mutaion X V4 on my 30w Sigelei or iStick was for sure 26g Kanthal wrapped on the blue handle mini screw driver that came with my Kanger Sub Tank at 11 wraps came in at .5 ohm. 25-30 watts on that setup gqve good flavor and put out some good clouds for only 30 watts. I use the larger gauge wire and coils for 50+ watts because thicker wire for sure takes make power to heat up the coils. My 3mm 22g dual coil build does not do crap at 30 watts.
The best setup I had on my Mutaion X V4 on my 30w Sigelei or iStick was for sure 26g Kanthal wrapped on the blue handle mini screw driver that came with my Kanger Sub Tank at 11 wraps came in at .5 ohm. 25-30 watts on that setup gqve good flavor and put out some good clouds for only 30 watts. I use the larger gauge wire and coils for 50+ watts because thicker wire for sure takes make power to heat up the coils. My 3mm 22g dual coil build does not do crap at 30 watts.
Wow!ill try that...cause the one i build 13wrap 26gauge .5ohms...in 25-30 watts doesnt do nice...not enough clouds...it will produce clouds if i hit it longer but i know thats dangerous...and when i hit it like 3times the third has good clouds maybe because the coil got hot already...