My Clone versions

[Rin Vapes]

All of these were loosely (some looser than others) based on clone recipes I've found (some combinations of several recipes) unless specified. I wasn't looking to "clone" the original juices as I had never even had any of them (with the exception of Andromeda which I happened to get randomly in a trade after I already made the clone) I just merely liked the flavor profile and thought it would be good. I put all of these in one post since they aren't 100% original and this just goes to show you that you can tailor any recipe to suit your own needs.

Frankenvape (needs 3-4 week steep)
2% Kiwi (FA)
2% Marshmallow (FA)
2% Fresh Cream (FA)
2% Vanillan (ecx ethyl vanillan diluted at 10%)

Andromeda (FA version) (cleaner... doesn't gunk coils)
2% Vanillan (same vanillan as above)
2% Bilberry (FA)
2% Pomegranate Deluxe (TFA)

Andromeda (coil gunker but damn good)
4% Vanillan (TFA)
4% Blueberry Candy (TFA)
2% Blueberry Wild (TFA)
2% Pomegranate Deluxe (TFA)

Mother's Milk (custard w/ light strawberry, needs 3-4 steep for best experience)
7% Strawberry Ripe (TFA)
1% Bavarian Cream (TFA)
1% Custard (FA)
1% Vanilla Swirl (TFA)
1% Catalan Cream (FA)
1% Vienna Cream (FA)

Unicorn Milk (strawberry milk) (needs 3-4 steep)
1% Custard (FA)
1% Bavarian Cream (TFA)
5% Strawberry Ripe (TFA)
3% Vanillan (TFA)
1% Marshmallow (FA)
1% Fresh Cream (FA)

Looper
2% Fruit Circles (TFA)
1% Fresh Cream (FA)
1% Forest Mix (FA)
0.5% Bavarian Cream (TFA)
0.5% Sweet Cream (TFA)
1% Marshmallow (FA)

*steep times recommended but not necessarily required. I vape high vg and no nicotine so your steep times may vary. just keep in mind that they may need to sit*

 

[TheBloke]

Thanks so much for posting these, @Rin13 !

I'd love to make some of them, but unfortunately am missing too many ingredients for all but one - where I'm still missing quite the right ingredients, but am hoping maybe I can make do!

Mother's Milk (custard w/ light strawberry, needs 3-4 steep for best experience)
7% Strawberry Ripe (TFA)
1% Bavarian Cream (TFA)
1% Custard (FA)
1% Vanilla Swirl (TFA)
1% Catalan Cream (FA)
1% Vienna Cream (FA)

I have all of these flavours, but two of them are not the right manufacturer:

• instead of TFA Strawberry Ripe, I have:
  • TFA Organic Strawberry
  • FA Strawberry
• Instead of FA Custard, I have:
  • CAP Vanilla Custard v2
  • TFA Vanilla Custard

Do you think I could swap out those two for one of my variants and the result would be acceptable? If so, would you be able to recommend (or make an educated guess as to) which variants I should use and at which %?

Thanks very much!


TB

 

[efektt]

Fa custard is very different than the other custards... it had a citrus note in it.

 

[TheBloke]

Fa custard is very different than the other custards... it had a citrus note in it.

Ah, OK.. so this is going to taste pretty different without it then? That's a bummer. The only citrus flavour I have is FA Orange, I could put a teeny bit of that in as well?

 

[efektt]

I would lower the vanilla and try your custard.. wont be the same but i bet it would be good.

 

[TheBloke]

I would lower the vanilla and try your custard.. wont be the same but i bet it would be good.

OK thanks, so something like this?

• 7% Organic Strawberry (TFA)
• 1% Bavarian Cream (TFA)
• 1% Vanilla Custard v2 (CAP)
• 0.5% Vanilla Swirl (TFA)
• 1% Catalan Cream (FA)
• 1% Vienna Cream (FA)

Red = changed from original recipe.

 

[efektt]

OK thanks, so something like this?

• 7% Organic Strawberry (TFA)
• 1% Bavarian Cream (TFA)
• 1% Vanilla Custard v2 (CAP)
• 0.5% Vanilla Swirl (TFA)
• 1% Catalan Cream (FA)
• 1% Vienna Cream (FA)

Red = changed from original recipe.

I would go 5 for the custard... its not nearly as concentrated as fa. Not too sure on the strawberry... i have never used the one you are.

 

[efektt]

Make a small batch to make sure the vanilla isnt overpowering.

 

[Rin Vapes]

I hate Capella's bakery flavors, especially the Vanilla Custard but if you know that you like it, it should be fine. You'll have to increase the % though because FA is much more concentrated than Capella. The strawberry brand isn't too important. I just use Ripe because it's one of my favorite strawberries. The Organic strawberry would probably be better or a mixture of both because to me the FA strawberry is kind of weak on its own.
I substitute flavors and brands all the time which is how I came up with the above recipes. You just have to know what you like and adjust it accordingly. Typically the results are great.

Thanks so much for posting these, @Rin13 !

I'd love to make some of them, but unfortunately am missing too many ingredients for all but one - where I'm still missing quite the right ingredients, but am hoping maybe I can make do!



I have all of these flavours, but two of them are not the right manufacturer:

• instead of TFA Strawberry Ripe, I have:
  • TFA Organic Strawberry
  • FA Strawberry
• Instead of FA Custard, I have:
  • CAP Vanilla Custard v2
  • TFA Vanilla Custard

Do you think I could swap out those two for one of my variants and the result would be acceptable? If so, would you be able to recommend (or make an educated guess as to) which variants I should use and at which %?

Thanks very much!


TB

 

[Heabob]

I would lower the vanilla and try your custard.. wont be the same but i bet it would be good.

Or, if you can't taste the vanilla like me, use 3% Vanilla Swirl.

 

[TheBloke]

Thank you, @Rin13 ! I will have a play about with that.

 

[Rin Vapes]

Try to remember to let us know how it turns out. Be prepared to let it steep though.

Thank you, @Rin13 ! I will have a play about with that.

 

[TheBloke]

I certainly will!

And oh yes, I was gong to ask you re steeping. You say up to three weeks, but do you accelerate that at all?

In the (very) few mixes I've done so far, I've used a combination of:

• Hot water baths, in the oven @ 60° C (140° F)
  • Glass jars in a basin of hot tap water
  • Four hours at a time, once or twice per day

• Vigorous shaking - shaking as hard as I can in a half-full glass (leaving a fair bit of air)
  • Up to three minutes at a time, repeated 10 times a day
  • Creates lots of large/medium sized bubbles, which I leave to dissipate

• Vigorous stirring - using a drill and two Q tips, attached to a drill bit and sliced/spread to create multiple "legs"
  • Photo below!
  • Creates a huge number of small bubbles, which I leave to dissipate
  • About 30 minutes total stirring per day, up to 10 minutes per session (yes, this is boring! )

So for a given mix, I will do all of those things listed, and then try it after 2 days, by which time it's had about 60 minutes of drill-stirring, 20-odd minutes of hard shaking, and 8+ hours of warm water bath. I also combine them as far as possible - for example I will do both the shaking and drill-stirring immediately before putting them in the hot water bath, and then also immediately after (while they're still warm.)

I have nothing to compare to as to how effective this is. But I can say that the mixes darken significantly during these multiple processes.

So my question is, is your three week time assuming just passive steeping? If I use the above methods, can I assume 2-4 days is enough - or at least, getting close to the full flavour(s)?

Or is your three weeks already assuming I accelerate as above, and these mixes just need a huge amount of steep time?

Thanks again!

PS. This is my drill stirrer!

 

[Rin Vapes]

All I do is an initial hot water bath to mix the flavors/vg together. I use a relatively high VG so it's pretty thick and warming the mixture makes the ingredients mix better. After that I just put it away. I've tried the whole crock pot thing and I found it didn't work for me... But not with this particular mixture and I vape 0 nic. Nicotine does expedite the steeping process so your methods may work. I would make two small batches. Try your method with one and see if it works. It not, just let the other batch sit.

 

[TheBloke]

OK fair enough, thanks very much!

 

[Rin Vapes]

Nice contraption... lol Your welcome. Everyone I've let try it loves the Unicorn Milk and Mother's Milk. Even my dad who is very picky

 

[TheBloke]

Awesome, I will definitely give this a go next, then!

If you don't mind one more newbie question, since you mentioned something related..

How would the VG/PG mix affect a recipe like this? I'm still a bit confused as to how people decide that ratio. I've noticed in my admittedly limited knowledge of commercial juices, that it seems like the cheaper/basic juices tend to be higher in PG, and then better juices are often 50/50, and the best, premium/luxury juices are very often high VG.

I heard that the 'standard rule' that PG holds flavour better is more myth than truth. And I know VG adds to sweetness (as well as clouds of course.) But beyond that I haven't yet understood why it should be that better juices - and more experienced mixers - seem to tend towards higher VG. Or maybe I'm just wrong about that?

Anyway, in the case of Mother's Milk, would there be a particular effect on flavour in 50/50 versus, say, 70 VG? For convenience I prefer 50/50 just from the point of view of wicking better, less gunk on coils, less thinning required in the juice etc. But I will do anything that improves flavour, even 100 VG if that would taste better for any reason!

 

[Rin Vapes]

I would personally just use whatever ratio you find works for you. It should be fine. I vape high VG because #1, I prefer the flavor of VG #2 I like the vapor production it gives and #3 I have a PG sensitivity. I simply cannot vape anything higher PG than 30% or it makes me physically ill, even in a tank. When dripping, I actually prefer even higher than that. I have found that for me 75% VG 25% PG works best for me. I use tanks primarily so I can't go too high in VG as it affects wicking. The 75/25 mixture works fine in my Subtank mini but I don't know what you're using. It definitely wouldn't wick well in a clearomizer (though I doubt you use those) So to better guide you on that, I'd need to know what equipment you're using
Also, PG does help carry the flavor. I don't believe the PG flavor carrier thing to be a myth. Yes, you can do PG free juices that have nice flavor but I personally have not been able to. And VG on it's own simply does not work. All of the PG free juice recipes require some additional fluid because VG is simply too thick. They add ethyl alcohol, distilled water or something else. Every non PG juice I've made has been awful but that could just be me and I haven't tried it recently. I would love to limit my PG to only the flavoring. You can find PG free flavoring too but again, it's ethyl alcohol or VG based and the VG based ones are more expensive.
As for my coils, I can't really say. I'm not a heavy vaper and I clean my tank/coils every few days. I will definitely say there are additives that make coils gunk up more as I just recently experienced it with (ironically) one of the recipes I listed in the original post. The Andromeda clone, TFA version, is a major coil gunker. That's why I created the FA version as their flavorings (to me) seem cleaner than most. My dad vapes the Andromeda clone exclusively and I just changed his wick today and the FA version is definitely MUCH cleaner than the TFA version. I suspect that the issue is the Blueberry Candy flavor as it tastes like it has EM in it. Ethyl Maltol is used to give a candy like flavor and while I like it, it's definitely a coil coater. Lol.

 

[TheBloke]

That's awesome Rin, thanks so much for the detailed response!

I will definitely stick with 50/50 for now then, maybe trying the occasional 60/40 and 40/60 to see if I can tell any flavour differences. I like a good cloud, but I don't care about massive clouds, and I'm pretty much always sub-ohming anyway so I don't think I'll worry about lack of vapour at lower VGs.

I always want more flavour, because I have big problems getting good flavour - I'm just one of those people who just doesn't seem to have good taste buds. I'm the only person I know who failed the Pepsi Challenge - not because I preferred Coke to Pepsi, but because I couldn't tell which was which! And I can't even blame that on being a smoker, because I was about 13 at the time I think. I watch Youtube juice reviews with envy, especially Ruby Roo with all her "yes I'm definitely getting hints of jasmine and a touch of rose petal, strong lashings of cinammon and just a hint of oak", when for me it's "I think it's orange? Or strawberry?"

So maybe I'll even try a 70/30 PG mix. I just got the impression that that was somehow lesser because so many of the "good" (or at least, expensive!) juices I've looked at seem to be at least 50/50, and often higher VG. Maybe it's because there's so many cloud chasers around now, or perhaps because a lot of people are finding, like you, that they're intolerant to PG and the juice manufacturers want to be able to sell to everyone.

Right I'll stop rambling on, and firing questions at you now! Thanks so much again for all your help, it's very much appreciated. I'll let you know in a few days when I first try Mother's Milk. I think I will first try it after 3 or 4 days. I'll vigorously steep it each day, then after a few days I'll siphon some off to try, and leave the rest steeping, repeating that every few days to see if I can notice improvements in flavour as time goes on.

Thanks again!

 

[Sirkris]

@TheBloke just my 2cents but o prefer the caps vc between 1-3% in mixes, with very little steep time. If you know your like it at higher percents go for 5%, but I'd hate for you to go thru so much trouble "power steeping" something you don't think tastes that great.

 

[Laughmore]

Frankenvape is f*cking lovely, vaped it all day yesterday after sitting overnight. Since it tastes good fresh I'll have to make more than I can vape so it survives the aging process...

Loopers is next, thanks for the recipes

 

[Rin Vapes]

Glad you like them : )

 

[sychosis]

Rin13 to quote the boringness of the mixing process i use the same hot water bath and was using a old lab vibrating mixer to get the same ressults but had a lot of effort in the mixing part since then i built a magnetic stirrer to do all the work for me and it has made the process almost pleasurable , had a few hit and miss moments to get the mixer right but now it is rolling like a champ apart from the mixer rods i only have about 25 bucks tied up in it and right now am looking for suitable toy boat impellers for a little better areation , i can give you the specs and pices on what i did if you are interested .

 

[Doots]

I like your Youtube Channel Rin.. Very informative and I love your laid back manner of presenting your info! Keep up the flavorings reviews

 

[Rin Vapes]

I like your Youtube Channel Rin.. Very informative and I love your laid back manner of presenting your info! Keep up the flavorings reviews

Thank you!!