My setup makes everone else cough on breathing out.

[conanthewarrior]

Hi people. My fiancee wanted to learn to blow clouds and enjoy some flavour, so I let her have a go of my sigelei and RDA. She took around a 4 second hit, then as she breathed out had a coughing fit. I thought that was stange, she is slowly contolling the cough though.

Well, today I went to my friends and show it to him, which he obviously wanted a go on after seeing me use it. He took it in fine, then as he breathed out a coughing fit again. I was puzzled as he is a smoker, and should be fine with a vaporiser vapour.

It had never made me cough, so what is causing other people to cough on breathing out? The vapour is cool, and I find it extremely odd it happened to both of them. If it was just 1 I would say its getting used to it, but the guy is a smoker so a little bit of vapour surely shouldn't make him cough?

Any ideas?

 

[Whiskey]

Your set up is tuned in to you, others may not be tuned into how your set up is. Remember everyone is different on how they fine tune things gear/juice related, My brother can't vape on my mods and tanks without having major coughing fits, yet he is fine on the ego kit I got him. Newer vapers have to adjust or find the sweet spot that is best for them

 

[Larry J]

I've found that almost everyone coughs the first time they use a vaporizer.

 

[BigNasty]

Flavor % could be on the high side for one. Most marketed juices are a bit on the high and pg side.
If you are diying try lowering the flavor % a hair and kick the power down for them.

Now also draw style will affect the outcome also. If I use mom's tank it gag since it is set tight like a cig, but on the other hand if she tries on my drippers/cloud chasers she draws like a cig she wretches and coughs.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Ahh I didn't know most new vapers cough, that explains it. It is home made juice, I will try a bit less and lower the wattage for them. I think they would be better on my nautilus, as my fiancee could use that without coughing, but the RDA straight to lung makes her cough, must be the mouth to lung thing that stops it.

 

[kingworm]

most people start on a cigalik then a ego then graduate up to the cloud machines . the process lets you adjust to the vapor without the fits. going strait to a big rda is like firing a tank as your first gun. not recomended

 

[Whiskey]

I agree with that

 

[Zamazam]

I had a coughing fit when I set up my first dripper, an Igo W. That was a 20 watts with a .75 ohm build.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Ohh I did not realise this was a normal thing lol, learn a new thing everyday! Think I will get them on the nautilus first before the RDA.

 

[UncleRJ]

I think most of us start coughing.

I have heard that it is something to do with our lungs adjusting from not smoking and trying to get rid of the gunk that was deposited by years of abuse.

 

[Barbara E.]

It has to do with the 'size' of what we are inhaling. Smoke particles are tiny, we inhale them and the particles are absorbed readily by the lungs. That's why nicotine from cigarettes reaches our brains so quickly.

Vapor particles are quite a bit bigger (like 10x as big). They are not absorbed readily by the lungs. The nicotine when vaping is actually absorbed mostly via the mucous membranes of the mouth/throat. That's why we don't 'feel' the nicotine as quickly, it takes longer to reach the brain.

Your friends (and most first-time vapers) cough because they're not expecting the relatively big particles they're inhaling. Have you ever walked into a sauna and cough a bit because of the high humidity (aka, 'water vapor')? Same thing - big particles. Once they get used to it, they won't cough (unless they dry hit which is a completely different matter. )

 

[William Hucke]

first time hiting a mod om I loved it I felt the falve in my lungs and no haggle coffing found out that was a 3 nic

only time I have that smokers haggle coff is on high nic like 12 or 8

 

[Huckleberried]

I remember the first time I tried a cigarette. Coughed my head off, felt sick... First time I tried an ecig (it was an ego), I coughed, but didn't feel sick. Took less than a day to get used to draw from.

 

[conanthewarrior]

I remember the first time I tried a cigarette. Coughed my head off, felt sick... First time I tried an ecig (it was an ego), I coughed, but didn't feel sick. Took less than a day to get used to draw from.

`oh god, going back about 12 years ago I remember my first ciggarette, I coughed but I liked the dizzy feeling. Been off the nicotine for over 8 months now, and the booze for a year and 2 months nearly.

 

[Breazy_Com]

My experience has been that if you are smoking or just quit you will cough when you vape. No ifs ands or butts about it. Like the pun at the end of that lol

 

[Huckleberried]

`oh god, going back about 12 years ago I remember my first ciggarette, I coughed but I liked the dizzy feeling. Been off the nicotine for over 8 months now, and the booze for a year and 2 months nearly.

Congrats Conan! That's so awesome . Sept will be 11 yrs for me, but I can't say goodbye to nicotine just yet. Or coffee.

 

[DickyT]

Ahh I didn't know most new vapers cough, that explains it. It is home made juice, I will try a bit less and lower the wattage for them. I think they would be better on my nautilus, as my fiancee could use that without coughing, but the RDA straight to lung makes her cough, must be the mouth to lung thing that stops it.

This is a great idea! My wife can not hit my RDA's or even my Atlantis 2, she was never a smoker either. When I started vaping she loved the smells so much she wanted to try it. Some went flavor tasting at a local B&M. Any time I go tasting I take a flavor build RDA, she just could not do it. She tasted on the shops Ego's, picked a flavor, I bought a bottle in 0 nic, and gave her the Nautilus mini and iStick 30 I stopped smoking with. She uses that mouth to lung just fine and was surprised with the flavor difference between it and the cheap Ego's that shops use. I told her to work on her lungs abilities so she can enjoy the even increased taste off of a flavor oriented RDA.

 

[conanthewarrior]

This is a great idea! My wife can not hit my RDA's or even my Atlantis 2, she was never a smoker either. When I started vaping she loved the smells so much she wanted to try it. Some went flavor tasting at a local B&M. Any time I go tasting I take a flavor build RDA, she just could not do it. She tasted on the shops Ego's, picked a flavor, I bought a bottle in 0 nic, and gave her the Nautilus mini and iStick 30 I stopped smoking with. She uses that mouth to lung just fine and was surprised with the flavor difference between it and the cheap Ego's that shops use. I told her to work on her lungs abilities so she can enjoy the even increased taste off of a flavor oriented RDA.

I also quit smoking so vape zero nic, yesterday my fiancee liked the smells also, so is using my old ego and a protank mini. I may just buy her a better vape as a present.

 

[RayG]

Hi people. My fiancee wanted to learn to blow clouds and enjoy some flavour, so I let her have a go of my sigelei and RDA. She took around a 4 second hit, then as she breathed out had a coughing fit. I thought that was stange, she is slowly contolling the cough though.

Well, today I went to my friends and show it to him, which he obviously wanted a go on after seeing me use it. He took it in fine, then as he breathed out a coughing fit again. I was puzzled as he is a smoker, and should be fine with a vaporiser vapour.

It had never made me cough, so what is causing other people to cough on breathing out? The vapour is cool, and I find it extremely odd it happened to both of them. If it was just 1 I would say its getting used to it, but the guy is a smoker so a little bit of vapour surely shouldn't make him cough?

Any ideas?

 

[RayG]

VAPING is not HEALTHY for your Lungs is a lie they are telling you I have found out many people go to hospital from vaping coughing etc.. I vaped for 2 years before finding out I have Lung Cancer.. In this 2 years I quit a year before quitting this last time due to coughing uncontrolably ...but went back to vaping shortly after they are addicting ... the Drs have told me anything you put into your lung is not HEALTHY.. On top of that the people that sell the Vaping Supplies etc have started adding chemicals to the JUICE yes Just Like Cigarettes They Want You Hooked

 

[Huckleberried]

VAPING is not HEALTHY for your Lungs is a lie they are telling you I have found out many people go to hospital from vaping coughing etc.. I vaped for 2 years before finding out I have Lung Cancer.. In this 2 years I quit a year before quitting this last time due to coughing uncontrolably ...but went back to vaping shortly after they are addicting ... the Drs have told me anything you put into your lung is not HEALTHY.. On top of that the people that sell the Vaping Supplies etc have started adding chemicals to the JUICE yes Just Like Cigarettes They Want You Hooked

You copy/pasted this into another thread, so I might just ask you this question in both threads.... For how long did you smoke? What juice were you vaping that contained 4000 chemicals, like cigarettes do? How did your doctors determine that vaping was the cause of your lung cancer?

 

[Paratech]

VAPING is not HEALTHY for your Lungs is a lie they are telling you I have found out many people go to hospital from vaping coughing etc.. I vaped for 2 years before finding out I have Lung Cancer.. In this 2 years I quit a year before quitting this last time due to coughing uncontrolably ...but went back to vaping shortly after they are addicting ... the Drs have told me anything you put into your lung is not HEALTHY.. On top of that the people that sell the Vaping Supplies etc have started adding chemicals to the JUICE yes Just Like Cigarettes They Want You Hooked

I'm sorry to read that you were told you have cancer.
That sucks.
I do however feel that you are misstating a few things.
I make my own juice, there is nothing added to it.
If there is something added to it, I put it there.
I assure you, I've added nothing I didn't want there.
Addictive, absolutely.
I'm also addicted to Mountain Dew and coffee.
If you ever meet me and I don't have one of those in my hand, best save introductions for another time.
I DO agree that putting ANYTHING into your lungs other than clean air isn't the greatest for you even though earth no longer has CLEAN air.
If anyone you know is purchasing juice from somewhere that is adding chemicals to it that makes it harmful or additionally addictive, please stop them from doing so.
I have yet to discover such a place doing that but I cannot sit behind my keyboard and tell you it is impossible.
Maybe not likely though.
As for the coughing, some people have allergies to the contents, some people have allergies to air (contents of it in their vicinity) some people just can't get over their smokers cough.

 

[conanthewarrior]

VAPING is not HEALTHY for your Lungs is a lie they are telling you I have found out many people go to hospital from vaping coughing etc.. I vaped for 2 years before finding out I have Lung Cancer.. In this 2 years I quit a year before quitting this last time due to coughing uncontrolably ...but went back to vaping shortly after they are addicting ... the Drs have told me anything you put into your lung is not HEALTHY.. On top of that the people that sell the Vaping Supplies etc have started adding chemicals to the JUICE yes Just Like Cigarettes They Want You Hooked

Hi, I am very sorry to hear you have Lung cancer, I would not wish that on anyone and hope treatment can help you recover.

However, I must say I am not sure where you have got your information from in regards to chemicals being added to juice to make people hooked(apart from nicotine-but that is kind of the idea, a safer delivery method of nicotine), if it was a DR a lot of them lack an understanding in regards to vaping and some do not even know the main ingredients in e liquid-just because they are DR's does not mean they understand everything.

I make my own juice, so know there is no extra chemicals added apart from what I add-obviously inhaling anything that is not meant to go into your lungs isn't going to be the healthiest thing to do, but really I see vaping as harm reduction and stand by research that has been carried out, and believe vaping to be much safer than smoking cigarettes.

I found out with my friend, in his case it was the nicotine making him cough-he is the only person I have ever encountered this with, and he did not continue to vape unfortunately.

I wish you all the best in your recovery, Conan.

 

[Synphul]

Smoking and vaping aren't the same, or weren't for me anyway. I hacked up a lung first time I tried to vape and thought to hell with this. lol. There was a learning curve to it or an adjustment period. It's not always about the amount of vapor or the nic strength or vg/pg ratios. Sometimes not enough vapor causes me to choke. I can inhale DL off my rta fine, but it's not an MTL setup. The bore is too wide open and the drip tip is wider than an MTL setup. Trying to take an MTL hit with very little vapor about kills me.

Sorry to hear you have cancer RayG. I'm no doctor but it seems different things affect people differently. Some people who have never smoked/vaped get lung cancer, others like my stepdad who smoked for over 50yrs died of brain cancer that started in his shoulder. Not his lungs, he was a pack to pack a day smoker of camel non filtered. Survived the Korean War breathing in who knows what kind of smoke and things from flamethrowers and other equipment. Then of course there are possibilities in combinations of exposure to various things in between those two extremes.

I don't think vaping is healthy, like broccoli or anything but I don't think it's anywhere near as dangerous as smoking. Healthier than cigs doesn't necessarily mean healthy. Still a better alternative to smoking. Cancer is one of those weird things that's hard to predict. My granddad died of lung cancer at 35yrs old. Then you've got George Burns who lived to be 100yrs old, something many non smokers don't achieve and he smoked between 10-15 cigars for 70yrs. They're certainly not healthy and despite being more of a mouth inhale vs lungs the smoke fills the air and was breathed in.

 

[Jimi D]

My wife vapes 18 mg with a little Provari and Atomic RDA.
I vape 3 mg direct lung.

She coughs when she tries mine. Its the higher ratio of VG.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Smoking and vaping aren't the same, or weren't for me anyway. I hacked up a lung first time I tried to vape and thought to hell with this. lol. There was a learning curve to it or an adjustment period. It's not always about the amount of vapor or the nic strength or vg/pg ratios. Sometimes not enough vapor causes me to choke. I can inhale DL off my rta fine, but it's not an MTL setup. The bore is too wide open and the drip tip is wider than an MTL setup. Trying to take an MTL hit with very little vapor about kills me.

Sorry to hear you have cancer RayG. I'm no doctor but it seems different things affect people differently. Some people who have never smoked/vaped get lung cancer, others like my stepdad who smoked for over 50yrs died of brain cancer that started in his shoulder. Not his lungs, he was a pack to pack a day smoker of camel non filtered. Survived the Korean War breathing in who knows what kind of smoke and things from flamethrowers and other equipment. Then of course there are possibilities in combinations of exposure to various things in between those two extremes.

I don't think vaping is healthy, like broccoli or anything but I don't think it's anywhere near as dangerous as smoking. Healthier than cigs doesn't necessarily mean healthy. Still a better alternative to smoking. Cancer is one of those weird things that's hard to predict. My granddad died of lung cancer at 35yrs old. Then you've got George Burns who lived to be 100yrs old, something many non smokers don't achieve and he smoked between 10-15 cigars for 70yrs. They're certainly not healthy and despite being more of a mouth inhale vs lungs the smoke fills the air and was breathed in.

I do laugh when people take a hit on one of my devices, even after I have warned them it is not the type of set up to start vaping with, and they end up choking and saying "How the F*** do you use that" lol.

I don't vape at very high wattages, but do inhale DTL, it is the way I prefer to vape as I find it more flavoursome than MTL-I think the amount of vapour has something to do with this.

I try to tell people that this isn't an ideal set up to start with, and advise them to try a MTL tank, but they still are adamant to have a go. A lot of these people do go on to vape though, as I do enjoy talking to people who don't vape about it if they show an interest.

You are definitely correct that things affect people differently though, my great Aunt and Uncle both unfortunately developed lung cancer, but had never smoked a cigarette in their lives. I do find it quite strange that from the people I know, it is usually both partners who develop the disease, not just one of them.
Then you mention someone such as George Burns (I will admit, I do not know who this is), who reach ages of 100 years old and smoke, in that case cigars.

I remember reading about someone in the UK who was 108, and they said their secret was a Pint of beer, and two cigarettes a day. Obviously I am not advising anyone to smoke here, they probably was joking when they mentioned this and had no idea why they reached such an age.

EDIT: Wow, I did not realise how old this thread was, it got resurrected! I do use nicotine in my juice now, as it was either that or going back to smoking as I was at a bit of a wobbly point, and I have been vaping that way for a long time now.

 

[Whiskey]

Threads like this I like to see bumped, there is a ton of useful information within Vape on my friends

 

[KDodds]

VAPING is not HEALTHY for your Lungs is a lie they are telling you I have found out many people go to hospital from vaping coughing etc.. I vaped for 2 years before finding out I have Lung Cancer.. In this 2 years I quit a year before quitting this last time due to coughing uncontrolably ...but went back to vaping shortly after they are addicting ... the Drs have told me anything you put into your lung is not HEALTHY.. On top of that the people that sell the Vaping Supplies etc have started adding chemicals to the JUICE yes Just Like Cigarettes They Want You Hooked

I can certainly sympathize with your situation and appreciate that you're lost and looking for reasons why. But please realize that directly blaming vaping for your situation, smoker or not, is like blaming the fact that your carrying an umbrella for it raining. Correlation is not causation.
As a lung cancer patient, indeed, ANYTHING you inhale is going to be worse than air or oxygen. But your situation is not the same as someone who is lung healthy, All of my doctors are 100% on board with vaping. When I started almost 4 years ago, some of them were skeptical, but they investigated, started recommending it based on my results. And, now, every time I go in, they THANK me for helping them get other patients off smoking and report some amazing results. All anecdotal, but we know that the preponderance of actual, real, factual information is anecdotal, and will remain so for quite some time because no one want to grant pro-vaping research/papers.
I do, however, have to take serious exception to your last sentence. That's the kind of information you can not spout off and then leave lying. Which brand and flavor of liquid? And it would have to be very specific because, unlike those who fail to investigate such claims before making them, I know exactly what's in the juice I buy, PG, VG, nic, flavor. None of my vendors are adding Secret Addicting Agent X to my juice, I'm quite certain. So please, the next time you see your doctor, ask for the name of the juice, brand, and addicting agent(s).

 

[McAnythingReally]

Sounds pretty normal to me honestly that this occurs. My first time hitting an RDA on a Mech was with a very very high powered setup, and I coughed my lungs out for several minutes after my hit. The draw for an RDA definitely takes some getting used to.

 

[AndriaD]

Hi people. My fiancee wanted to learn to blow clouds and enjoy some flavour, so I let her have a go of my sigelei and RDA. She took around a 4 second hit, then as she breathed out had a coughing fit. I thought that was stange, she is slowly contolling the cough though.

Well, today I went to my friends and show it to him, which he obviously wanted a go on after seeing me use it. He took it in fine, then as he breathed out a coughing fit again. I was puzzled as he is a smoker, and should be fine with a vaporiser vapour.

It had never made me cough, so what is causing other people to cough on breathing out? The vapour is cool, and I find it extremely odd it happened to both of them. If it was just 1 I would say its getting used to it, but the guy is a smoker so a little bit of vapour surely shouldn't make him cough?

Any ideas?

My guess would be throat hit -- I vape at 10w, but other people cough a lot from it, just because I like a lot of TH and use that additive Flash to augment the low level of nicotine.

Vapor has never been bad to make me cough, only occasionally if my asthma is being troublesome, but apparently a lot of people do respond to vapor that way.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

I can certainly sympathize with your situation and appreciate that you're lost and looking for reasons why. But please realize that directly blaming vaping for your situation, smoker or not, is like blaming the fact that your carrying an umbrella for it raining. Correlation is not causation.
As a lung cancer patient, indeed, ANYTHING you inhale is going to be worse than air or oxygen. But your situation is not the same as someone who is lung healthy, All of my doctors are 100% on board with vaping. When I started almost 4 years ago, some of them were skeptical, but they investigated, started recommending it based on my results. And, now, every time I go in, they THANK me for helping them get other patients off smoking and report some amazing results. All anecdotal, but we know that the preponderance of actual, real, factual information is anecdotal, and will remain so for quite some time because no one want to grant pro-vaping research/papers.
I do, however, have to take serious exception to your last sentence. That's the kind of information you can not spout off and then leave lying. Which brand and flavor of liquid? And it would have to be very specific because, unlike those who fail to investigate such claims before making them, I know exactly what's in the juice I buy, PG, VG, nic, flavor. None of my vendors are adding Secret Addicting Agent X to my juice, I'm quite certain. So please, the next time you see your doctor, ask for the name of the juice, brand, and addicting agent(s).

And those of us who make our own ejuice certainly don't have "mystery agents" in our juice -- I know everything I put in it, and since I got off WTA, there's nothing in it that will "make me more hooked" -- 3.5mg nicotine is not exactly poisonous, NOR very "addicting"!

I have asthma, and while I have a bit more wheeziness than I did as a smoker (because vapor is moist, which gives my asthma problems), I have so much less junk to cough up, I'm CLEARLY in much better health than I was as a smoker. I'm not saying that I might not one day be diagnosed with lung cancer myself -- I smoked for 39 yrs, and my father died of lung cancer, so the risk factors are definitely present. But if I did ever develop lung cancer, those would be the "reasons", not the vaping.

No one who smoked for years/decades then switches to vaping can claim FACTUALLY that it was vaping that caused whatever problems they may have -- I'd lay money on the years/decades of smoking! The risk from that long-term exposure doesn't disappear just because you stop, or switch to something else.

Andria

 

[conanthewarrior]

Congrats Conan! That's so awesome . Sept will be 11 yrs for me, but I can't say goodbye to nicotine just yet. Or coffee.

It hasn't been 12 rears free of cigarettes unfortunately, that is about 2 year or so if I remember correctly.

I Did quit with champix (Which I wish I never done after learning more about it), but I hit a bump and I thought why not try vaping. The rest is history and I am very pleased to vape and be part of a fantastic community.

Well done on 11 year though, that is a long time and aren't most things linked to smoking very lowe risk to you now? ;0

 

[Huckleberried]

It hasn't been 12 rears free of cigarettes unfortunately, that is about 2 year or so if I remember correctly.

I Did quit with champix (Which I wish I never done after learning more about it), but I hit a bump and I thought why not try vaping. The rest is history and I am very pleased to vape and be part of a fantastic community.

Well done on 11 year though, that is a long time and aren't most things linked to smoking very lowe risk to you now? ;0

I just hit twelve last month. I didn't realize how old this thread was, LOL. Yes it's true!! I smoked SO much more when I was drinking. You are absolutely right.

I'm so glad you survived the Chantix nightmare. I know several people that tried that, and shared horrible stories about it. I remember when you first started posting here, too. You have come SO far in your vaping journey. Glad to still have you here with us.

 

[conanthewarrior]

I just hit twelve last month. I didn't realize how old this thread was, LOL. Yes it's true!! I smoked SO much more when I was drinking. You are absolutely right.

I'm so glad you survived the Chantix nightmare. I know several people that tried that, and shared horrible stories about it. I remember when you first started posting here, too. You have come SO far in your vaping journey. Glad to still have you here with us.

It definitely seems that smoking goes hand in hand with drinking, I used to able to smoke 40+ cigarettes when out whilst normaly it would be 10-15 a day.

I was pretty lucky when it came so champix just had some VERY strange dreams-although i have heard of very nasty side effects from them.

 

[Canadian Vaper]

He took it in fine, then as he breathed out a coughing fit again.

That's not how it works, vapor/smoke are two very different things, while there is physiological effects on the throat (usually just a tickle) generally it's more a psychological issue than anything, since they associate the visual with smoke they cough, it looks like a lot of smoke so they cough hard, then there's the issue of them not knowing how to expel the cloud properly, it takes a bit of training... A good example is my friend, he'd ask me for a vape of whatever I was vaping on, usually a dripper around 0.3, he'd cough his face off, now that I gave him a subohm vape and he's had it for a few days he's learned/adjusted and has no problems vaping on my velocity...

 

[Canadian Vaper]

It definitely seems that smoking goes hand in hand with drinking, I used to able to smoke 40+ cigarettes when out whilst normaly it would be 10-15 a day.

that is litterally what made me decide to quit smoking..

Normally I'd smoke around 30-40 a day, one night while drinking I smoked about 80-90, woke up the next morning and couldn't barely breathe at all seriously it felt like I was drowning, coughed up a big black loogie the size of a half dollar followed by a couple quarter sized ones and I could breathe again... Went back to bed and when I woke up I decided it was time for me to quit... Tried all the approved failures then eventually found vaping... Now I can vape 10ml while drinking and I don't feel a thing

 

[Rin Vapes]

Literally everyone that I've had try a vaporizer has coughed (smoker and non-smoker) the first time they try it. I don't think there is any way to anticipate the way the vapor hits you. (and this was on an ego pen...) I personally find it funny... but it's normal as many others have stated.
I'm still trying to get my dad to drip, at least occasionally but that may be far off/impossible. At least I got him to try a different tank... He was adamant about not trying anything new for a while and I didn't want to press the matter. (not that it matters what he vapes, as long as he's vaping... I just wanted his experience to be as pleasant as possible)