I started vaping less than a year ago and started off with cheaper vapes. I now have a Aspire CF VV+ 1000 mAh battery with a Aspire Nautilus Mini (BVC) Tank Clearomizer. I really want bigger vapor clouds. I also use either 50/50 e liquid or 70/30. Please help me!!
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New (sort of) to vaping and want HUGE clouds
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Bigger clouds?
Need to upgrade to a rebuildable atomizer with a mech or a higher wattage vv/vw device. Going with a higher VG juice will make bigger clouds as well, highest you can find. However, higher VG means not as sweet juice and flavors wont be as strong as with PG, but there will be less throat hit as well.
Need to upgrade to a rebuildable atomizer with a mech or a higher wattage vv/vw device. Going with a higher VG juice will make bigger clouds as well, highest you can find. However, higher VG means not as sweet juice and flavors wont be as strong as with PG, but there will be less throat hit as well.
Are there a few products you would recommend since I'm new to this (either the rebuildable atomizer or higher wattage VV/VW devices)?
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Before you head down this rabbit hole, why do you want bigger clouds? For visuals? Bragging rights? General rule of thumb is
1. RDA (Rebuild-able Dripping Atomizer) will produce larger clouds due to juice saturation control and airflow. Pick your poison at this point. I recommend any RDA that has the airflow from the cap and not the bottom simply because most have greater airflow.
2. Either regulated or unregulated mods will work. Make sure to get quality batteries for mechanical mods as that is your only line of defense if anything goes wrong. Most will recommend the unicorn Sony vtc 4s that are getting harder and harder to find. I use Efest, but any quality IMR batteries will do. If choosing a regulated mod (don't have, can't comment), others can chime in on their favorites.
3. Coil builds are as unique as personalities. There is no right/wrong way, but for the sake of argument, tight micro/nano coils have better thermal properties in a shorter amount of time than spaced coils. This is the artistic part of blowing clouds.
4. VG typically provide thicker clouds than PG as well so you can get more "cloudy" with your current setup with a heavier VG mix as well. I do 100% with no ill effects (not really 100% as the flavor carrier are not VG, but I digress)
I don't any links available, but please read more regarding battery safety before jumping into cloud chasing. I'd hate for your next post to be titled
"New (sort of) to HUGE clouds and need skin graft"
My personal opinion? Don't focus on blowing clouds. I find that it annoys other non-cloud chasers and drinks juice like a fish... I have more enjoyment trying to enjoy the flavor and the visuals are an after thought.
1. RDA (Rebuild-able Dripping Atomizer) will produce larger clouds due to juice saturation control and airflow. Pick your poison at this point. I recommend any RDA that has the airflow from the cap and not the bottom simply because most have greater airflow.
2. Either regulated or unregulated mods will work. Make sure to get quality batteries for mechanical mods as that is your only line of defense if anything goes wrong. Most will recommend the unicorn Sony vtc 4s that are getting harder and harder to find. I use Efest, but any quality IMR batteries will do. If choosing a regulated mod (don't have, can't comment), others can chime in on their favorites.
3. Coil builds are as unique as personalities. There is no right/wrong way, but for the sake of argument, tight micro/nano coils have better thermal properties in a shorter amount of time than spaced coils. This is the artistic part of blowing clouds.
4. VG typically provide thicker clouds than PG as well so you can get more "cloudy" with your current setup with a heavier VG mix as well. I do 100% with no ill effects (not really 100% as the flavor carrier are not VG, but I digress)
I don't any links available, but please read more regarding battery safety before jumping into cloud chasing. I'd hate for your next post to be titled
"New (sort of) to HUGE clouds and need skin graft"
My personal opinion? Don't focus on blowing clouds. I find that it annoys other non-cloud chasers and drinks juice like a fish... I have more enjoyment trying to enjoy the flavor and the visuals are an after thought.
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First off I also must ask why is it that big clouds are so important? is it just because it's cool? If it's what you must have to each it's own...I also enjoy blowing big clouds from time to time but I find a good flavor build is much more enjoyable than just filling the room with a fog of vapor.
Welcome to VU and I am glad you enjoy vaping! It's all about whatever keeps you off smokies so if it's time to step up than it's time to step up.
First, I would honestly recommend picking a good high wattage box mod...you can go the mech route if you like but with the high wattage regulated options that are available now it's a safer way to go starting out and you have much more flexibility with your coil building options as you have a regulated chipset driving a constant level of power to your atty as apposed to being at the mercy of the charge and and health of a battery with no other protection whatsoever. Next off you'll need to choose an atomizer. For the biggest clouds possible you're looking at a dripping atty with a lot of airflow. You need at least 1/8" minimum and I'd recommend more. Something like a Mutation X V3 or something along those lines with a ridiculous amount of airflow...
Next thing you need to know is battery safety....whether you go the regulated option or old fashioned mech you need good solid IMR or INR hybrid chemistry 18650 batteries with at least a minimum of a 20 amp "continuous drain" rating. Being newer to this you don't want to go of the "pulse rating" as the battery can only fire at that level of amp drain for a few seconds and it is a dangerous game of playing with it above the continuous drain limit. I have a thread in the "e-cigarette safety" section of an atty failing and a battery almost venting on me proving why you don't want to go above the continuous drain limit. Some good recommendations for batteries would be Samsung INR18650-20R's or their 25R counterparts, LG HE4's, Sony VTC4's, or AW's old 1600 mah 18650 or their new 2200 mah 20amp 18650 battery. The Efest and other's are ok as well, I just listed my prefered ones there.
Once you have the right mod, atty, and batteries you'll need to build a coil. There are many tutorials here and on youtube to get you started with it. The first thing you need to know is you do NOT need to build a super sub ohm coil to get big clouds. That is a myth. I have a patriot with an Infinity pyrex glass cap with 1/8" airholes that I can get just as big of clouds off of with a .7 dual coil build at 25-30 watts as I can with my Mutation X V2 built with a single parallel coil at .24 ohms on a mech with a fully charged battery. Clouds are made with a combination of coil build, proper airflow, the right juice, and the right amount of power supplied from the mod...any one of these alone won't give you the clouds you seek. It is all of these things that make up clouds. That being said...since you're new to building I would recommend getting some 26 gauge wire to start...wire is cheap so get some 24 and 28 as well. Don't start out with 20 and 22...until you learn the finer points of building it's just too low of resistance and is too easy to get into trouble with more than make what you want...oh I almost forgot...you need one of those little ohm's reader boxes and need to learn the basics of ohms law....here is a link to an ohm's law calculator and a coil building engine that will help you figure out you're coils.
http://thelocust.net/ohm/
http://www.steam-engine.org/coil.asp
Anyways...get some 26 gauge wire to start with...you want to start with a higher resistance just to be safe in the beginning till you get your feet wet and a little bit of a feel for building. If you're using a mech mod and a 20 amp continuous drain battery like I said, the lowest safe resistance you can build do to is .21 but I would stay above .25 to start with. Builds that low without the proper airflow can be quite uncomfortable if you're not used to it in the beginning and will take some getting used too inhaling that much vapor anyways. If you use a regulated box mod you can build as low as the device will allow but it's not nessecary and is better with those to build like at .5 or .6 anyways to take advantage of the devices range.
Start out wrapping a single coil of like 7 wraps and then since wire is cheap make a dual coil build of like 7 wraps and see what both meter out at with your ohms checker and see how they vape. Use this as a starting reference point to finding what you like...if the vape is too warm/cool...too much/too little vapor...etc.... get a 2.4 mm and a 3mm drill bit or a little bigger, I use a 3.2mm myself. Especially with lower gauges like 24 and lower you'll want to build coils with a 3 mm diameter bit or a little bigger so you can get enough cotton to wick it with that it doesn't dry out too fast. with 26 gauge you can use a smaller bit still because it's not as big of wire but I wouldn't personally go below the 2.4 mm diameter as I recommended in the beginning. Like I said, this is just to start out, once you get a feel for basic builds you can youtube all the crazy builds you want and go nuts.
Wicking is the most tricky part of the build. You want just enough cotton threw the coil that there is just a slight resistance pulling it threw. Too much cotton stuffed in will "choke" the coil and it won't feed properly and dry hit...and too little cotton and the wick will collapse inside the coil and again you'll get dry hits just because you're wick isn't hitting the whole coil and can't keep up. Cotton is cheap and this just takes practice...it's a finesse thing that can't really be explained better than that. You'll get it in time.
Lastly is E-liquid....the more VG in the liquid the more vapor but the less the flavor...plus the higher the wattage and the hotter the vape the more you "fry" the liquid and it will produce more clouds but you'll literally "cook" the flavor out of it if the vape is too hot. There are several good high and max vg juices out there but you'll want a 50/50 blend minimum to blow really good clouds.
There is so much more to tell but I have written too much anyways to start. Hope this helps and best of luck to you...I wouldn't impulse buy anything. I would shop around, find the lowest price, and ask around here about something and watch/read reviews on anything before you buy. Buying on impulse is a 50/50 shot of you'll love it or hate it....there's plenty of info on just about anything vape related if you look for it so take your time so you don't end up buying several things in a short period of time to get what you want like so many of us have before.
Happy Vaping and good luck!
Welcome to VU and I am glad you enjoy vaping! It's all about whatever keeps you off smokies so if it's time to step up than it's time to step up.
First, I would honestly recommend picking a good high wattage box mod...you can go the mech route if you like but with the high wattage regulated options that are available now it's a safer way to go starting out and you have much more flexibility with your coil building options as you have a regulated chipset driving a constant level of power to your atty as apposed to being at the mercy of the charge and and health of a battery with no other protection whatsoever. Next off you'll need to choose an atomizer. For the biggest clouds possible you're looking at a dripping atty with a lot of airflow. You need at least 1/8" minimum and I'd recommend more. Something like a Mutation X V3 or something along those lines with a ridiculous amount of airflow...
Next thing you need to know is battery safety....whether you go the regulated option or old fashioned mech you need good solid IMR or INR hybrid chemistry 18650 batteries with at least a minimum of a 20 amp "continuous drain" rating. Being newer to this you don't want to go of the "pulse rating" as the battery can only fire at that level of amp drain for a few seconds and it is a dangerous game of playing with it above the continuous drain limit. I have a thread in the "e-cigarette safety" section of an atty failing and a battery almost venting on me proving why you don't want to go above the continuous drain limit. Some good recommendations for batteries would be Samsung INR18650-20R's or their 25R counterparts, LG HE4's, Sony VTC4's, or AW's old 1600 mah 18650 or their new 2200 mah 20amp 18650 battery. The Efest and other's are ok as well, I just listed my prefered ones there.
Once you have the right mod, atty, and batteries you'll need to build a coil. There are many tutorials here and on youtube to get you started with it. The first thing you need to know is you do NOT need to build a super sub ohm coil to get big clouds. That is a myth. I have a patriot with an Infinity pyrex glass cap with 1/8" airholes that I can get just as big of clouds off of with a .7 dual coil build at 25-30 watts as I can with my Mutation X V2 built with a single parallel coil at .24 ohms on a mech with a fully charged battery. Clouds are made with a combination of coil build, proper airflow, the right juice, and the right amount of power supplied from the mod...any one of these alone won't give you the clouds you seek. It is all of these things that make up clouds. That being said...since you're new to building I would recommend getting some 26 gauge wire to start...wire is cheap so get some 24 and 28 as well. Don't start out with 20 and 22...until you learn the finer points of building it's just too low of resistance and is too easy to get into trouble with more than make what you want...oh I almost forgot...you need one of those little ohm's reader boxes and need to learn the basics of ohms law....here is a link to an ohm's law calculator and a coil building engine that will help you figure out you're coils.
http://thelocust.net/ohm/
http://www.steam-engine.org/coil.asp
Anyways...get some 26 gauge wire to start with...you want to start with a higher resistance just to be safe in the beginning till you get your feet wet and a little bit of a feel for building. If you're using a mech mod and a 20 amp continuous drain battery like I said, the lowest safe resistance you can build do to is .21 but I would stay above .25 to start with. Builds that low without the proper airflow can be quite uncomfortable if you're not used to it in the beginning and will take some getting used too inhaling that much vapor anyways. If you use a regulated box mod you can build as low as the device will allow but it's not nessecary and is better with those to build like at .5 or .6 anyways to take advantage of the devices range.
Start out wrapping a single coil of like 7 wraps and then since wire is cheap make a dual coil build of like 7 wraps and see what both meter out at with your ohms checker and see how they vape. Use this as a starting reference point to finding what you like...if the vape is too warm/cool...too much/too little vapor...etc.... get a 2.4 mm and a 3mm drill bit or a little bigger, I use a 3.2mm myself. Especially with lower gauges like 24 and lower you'll want to build coils with a 3 mm diameter bit or a little bigger so you can get enough cotton to wick it with that it doesn't dry out too fast. with 26 gauge you can use a smaller bit still because it's not as big of wire but I wouldn't personally go below the 2.4 mm diameter as I recommended in the beginning. Like I said, this is just to start out, once you get a feel for basic builds you can youtube all the crazy builds you want and go nuts.
Wicking is the most tricky part of the build. You want just enough cotton threw the coil that there is just a slight resistance pulling it threw. Too much cotton stuffed in will "choke" the coil and it won't feed properly and dry hit...and too little cotton and the wick will collapse inside the coil and again you'll get dry hits just because you're wick isn't hitting the whole coil and can't keep up. Cotton is cheap and this just takes practice...it's a finesse thing that can't really be explained better than that. You'll get it in time.
Lastly is E-liquid....the more VG in the liquid the more vapor but the less the flavor...plus the higher the wattage and the hotter the vape the more you "fry" the liquid and it will produce more clouds but you'll literally "cook" the flavor out of it if the vape is too hot. There are several good high and max vg juices out there but you'll want a 50/50 blend minimum to blow really good clouds.
There is so much more to tell but I have written too much anyways to start. Hope this helps and best of luck to you...I wouldn't impulse buy anything. I would shop around, find the lowest price, and ask around here about something and watch/read reviews on anything before you buy. Buying on impulse is a 50/50 shot of you'll love it or hate it....there's plenty of info on just about anything vape related if you look for it so take your time so you don't end up buying several things in a short period of time to get what you want like so many of us have before.
Happy Vaping and good luck!
Everything that has been said is spot on and I would follow it very carefully @
Kristennnneliseeee
Just to add/reiterate you do not need a mech to cloud chase and I would not recommend that as your first step. There are so many powerful reg mods that there is no need go the mech route...although they look sexier...I wish box mods would look better but hey that's what keeps the price point down...nothing fancy. Get a RDA with tons of airflow. A cheap one would be like the mutationX and you can get an authentic one for just over $20...learn to wick and build coils...get a ohm reader too don't just use your ohm reader on your Reg Device...get high vg juice...and don't get frustrated at first when your first 20 builds suck and chug as much clouds as an ego. There is a lot that goes into getting clouds...surface area of coils, tightness, airflow, juice, lung capacity, wicking, power, etc etc.
I use a iVP 70 watt with MutationX v2 and I can create my own weather pattern in my living room...shoot I can do that with my .5 coil Delta II tank so no need to rush. Study study study. Study ohms. Study battery safety. And grow slowly into it.
Cheers and good vapes!
Kristennnneliseeee
Just to add/reiterate you do not need a mech to cloud chase and I would not recommend that as your first step. There are so many powerful reg mods that there is no need go the mech route...although they look sexier...I wish box mods would look better but hey that's what keeps the price point down...nothing fancy. Get a RDA with tons of airflow. A cheap one would be like the mutationX and you can get an authentic one for just over $20...learn to wick and build coils...get a ohm reader too don't just use your ohm reader on your Reg Device...get high vg juice...and don't get frustrated at first when your first 20 builds suck and chug as much clouds as an ego. There is a lot that goes into getting clouds...surface area of coils, tightness, airflow, juice, lung capacity, wicking, power, etc etc.
I use a iVP 70 watt with MutationX v2 and I can create my own weather pattern in my living room...shoot I can do that with my .5 coil Delta II tank so no need to rush. Study study study. Study ohms. Study battery safety. And grow slowly into it.
Cheers and good vapes!
Besides the Mutation X V3, the CLT V3 by Infinite is good RDA as well. The CLT comes with 2 extra wide drip tips (1 clear, 1 black) and a 510 Drip Tip w/ according adapter. Both RDAs are cheaper originals. Excellent adjustable airflow and deeper juice wells. The Dark Horse is a nice cloud chaser RDA. However, it lacks the deep juice well.
For a regulated mod, I'd get either the Sigelei 100 Plus, or the Sigelei 150W. I own both and I love them.