New to rebuildables please help.

[generosity1821]

Hey guys im Peat, recently I bought the Manta RTA by Advken and the Bonza RDA, I also bought a SS316 Clapton wire 28awg/32awg. The coils I had inside bonza was some premade Ni Aliens and had no issues with that but when I made 6 wraps of my wire around 2.5mm (around 0.45 ohms) vaping at 80wats flavor dropped dramatically in my opinion. Im doing also a 6wrap 2.5mm in my Manta (0.39 ohms 55wats) but flavor seems better than bonza. I think I can go for more flavor on these attys but im doing something wrong maybe on my wraps or on my wire and I need your help guys!

 

[eStorm]

I never tried NI therefore I can't comment on it or say its better than SS. However I do believe there's a difference between regular Clapton's and aliens. I personally use triple fused/quad fused or staggered fused Clapton's and always at 3-4 ID between 4-8 wraps depending on the RTA/RDA I'm using that day. The only time I use 2.5 with 7 wraps is in my old Aromamizer, because the chamber is so small that it can't hold 3mm. With that said tho, its great flavor but the emphasis lays on great. Its not amazing, good, outstanding in comparison to my bigger builds in bigger atties. I also believe that the wicking matters when it comes to flavor, of course it goes hand in hand with the design of the deck, coil positioning and airflow as a overall great result.

So maybe you positioning the coils differently, completely get different coils/wire, try different wicking material etc. Flavor just like everything is subjective in life, maybe you just don't like/enjoy stainless steel. Keep in mind, just because people say its far superior over other wires, doesn't mean you'll have the same opinion and/or experience. I love stainless steel but I wouldn't just use round wire or regular Clapton's, tried it and didn't get much satisfaction.

Find what you like and maybe its NI at the end who knows, but I defiantly would suggest trying 3mm ID with 6 wraps and see if that's better for you, if you want to keep the Clapton's.

 

[Zohmbiebuilds]

I get great flavor using 2.5id. that's the best used mech size imo. It works better for me that 5 wraps at 3 which is the same

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[jwill]

Are you packing in so much wick it gets all choked out at the coil?

 

[generosity1821]

I never tried NI therefore I can't comment on it or say its better than SS. However I do believe there's a difference between regular Clapton's and aliens. I personally use triple fused/quad fused or staggered fused Clapton's and always at 3-4 ID between 4-8 wraps depending on the RTA/RDA I'm using that day. The only time I use 2.5 with 7 wraps is in my old Aromamizer, because the chamber is so small that it can't hold 3mm. With that said tho, its great flavor but the emphasis lays on great. Its not amazing, good, outstanding in comparison to my bigger builds in bigger atties. I also believe that the wicking matters when it comes to flavor, of course it goes hand in hand with the design of the deck, coil positioning and airflow as a overall great result.

So maybe you positioning the coils differently, completely get different coils/wire, try different wicking material etc. Flavor just like everything is subjective in life, maybe you just don't like/enjoy stainless steel. Keep in mind, just because people say its far superior over other wires, doesn't mean you'll have the same opinion and/or experience. I love stainless steel but I wouldn't just use round wire or regular Clapton's, tried it and didn't get much satisfaction.

Find what you like and maybe its NI at the end who knows, but I defiantly would suggest trying 3mm ID with 6 wraps and see if that's better for you, if you want to keep the Clapton's.

Guys at my vape store told me 2.5 ID brings the best flavor out of all and that wire I have was the first they installed me when I bought the Manta RTA,
and flavor was great, maybe im doing smth wrong with the wraps cuz their coils were coming to 0.3 and mine come at 0.4
As for the Bonza RDA it has preety huge deck, can fit some huge coils in there but I cannot make huge coils with this wire I have, also I always see huge coils installed in bonza at the social media in comparison with mine who are tiny little claptons, maybe thats the problem there

 

[generosity1821]

I get great flavor using 2.5id. that's the best used mech size imo. It works better for me that 5 wraps at 3 which is the same

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Ill try that and Ill let you know!

 

[generosity1821]

Are you packing in so much wick it gets all choked out at the coil?

I have 0 problems with wicking, you can't go wrong with bonza not too loose, not too thick
With manta I heard many cases who had leaking or dry hit problems but for me there are 0 of that problems

 

[sbankme]

I have found that different wire types heat up at different speeds and you get less flavor when the coil isn't hot yet. Also, different wire brands of same type wire affect flavor. I am still trying to figure out my preferred build so I ordered a sample pack of 5 SS wire spools from advanced vape supply(triple fused clapton, stapled, etc). For $20 w/coupon I can try 5 different ss wire types and do a few builds of each at whatever #wraps/resistance I choose. So far I think the AVS wire is head and shoulders better than all the other wire I've tried from Geekvape, Lightning Vape etc.

Regardless of which RTA/RDA you use, this strategy might be helpful to you...

 

[generosity1821]

I have found that different wire types heat up at different speeds and you get less flavor when the coil isn't hot yet. Also, different wire brands of same type wire affect flavor. I am still trying to figure out my preferred build so I ordered a sample pack of 5 SS wire spools from advanced vape supply(triple fused clapton, stapled, etc). For $20 w/coupon I can try 5 different ss wire types and do a few builds of each at whatever #wraps/resistance I choose. So far I think the AVS wire is head and shoulders better than all the other wire I've tried from Geekvape, Lightning Vape etc.

Regardless of which RTA/RDA you use, this strategy might be helpful to you...

My vape store has crazy wire comp wires maybe some geekvape etc. Also, they have something called neowire or like that that has a hole in it like a frame and I've heard that has great flavor and can be heated at very low wattage

 

[sbankme]

The more I visit local vape stores, the less I respect them and have been finding far better advice and better value by learning here & on youtube and then buying online.

 

[Mattp169]

ok.
if you were using Ni coils, you should have been using TC mode. If not that is not good. Ni must only be used in TC mode. Now switching to SS wire requires you to change TC settings. The mod needs to know you are using SS and not Ni and it must register the correct initial resistance of the coil.

If you just throw an SS coil build in and do not change the setting you may get bad or less flavor.
So did you adjust the mod settings after you switched coils and wires????

 

[generosity1821]

ok.
if you were using Ni coils, you should have been using TC mode. If not that is not good. Ni must only be used in TC mode. Now switching to SS wire requires you to change TC settings. The mod needs to know you are using SS and not Ni and it must register the correct initial resistance of the coil.

If you just throw an SS coil build in and do not change the setting you may get bad or less flavor.
So did you adjust the mod settings after you switched coils and wires????

Never but didnt had a problem before, im running wattage mode only

 

[Letitia9]

Never but didnt had a problem before, im running wattage mode only

Your Bonza did not come with NI nickel coils, it came with Ni80 nichrome coils. Huge difference there. NI requires tc, Ni80 cannot be used in tc unless you have FSK chip. SS you can use in wattage or tc mode. The vape shop guys probably recommend what they prefer. Your tastes may be different.

 

[Mattp169]

oh Ni80 and Ni200 are 2 totally different things.
ok Ni80, nichrome is no issue in wattage/power mode. SO there are lots of factors
1. every wire type tastes different. I prefer SS over nichrome, but other people like nichrome better. you have to try different wires with the samish build in the same atomizer to know
2, different wire types have different power requirements. the same coil in SS will need more or less power then the same coil in nichrome. so try changing the wattage
3. wicking makes a difference. you use too much or too little wicking and flavor can be effected. so try adjusting your wicking
4. every rta/rda is different from the next. the same type of coil may need adjusted to work the same in one rta as it does in another. you may need to add or remove wraps, use a different ID. so you may need to change things up
5 the airflow nis important. ever rta/rda has slightly different airflow, so you may need to change the coil's position in relation to the airflow holes. try to move it higher or lower. make sure the coil is centered around the airflow opening. along the same lines you may find you like one rda/rta with the AFC wide open while another works better partially closed off
6. some rdas/rtas have the same or similar flavor as another but because of deck size the airflow openings the chamber size and shape, the chimney size and shape and the DT opening they all can have different flavor. SO you may and usually find you prefer the flavor from certain rta/rdas over others. Just because so and so says the flavor is great on this rda/rta doesn't mean you will.
7. different types of coils taste different to people. some people think aliens give significantly more flavor then most other coils. while personally, i find aliens have a slight edge in flavor over a standard clapton or fused clapton, I personally do not find a significant increase in flavor from aliens.

 

[generosity1821]

Your Bonza did not come with NI nickel coils, it came with Ni80 nichrome coils. Huge difference there. NI requires tc, Ni80 cannot be used in tc unless you have FSK chip. SS you can use in wattage or tc mode. The vape shop guys probably recommend what they prefer. Your tastes may be different.

quick reply the bonza comes without coils, the guys from vape store installed me some ni aliens they didnt say if its ni80 or ni200, had fun with them but its like 2 weeks and i wanted to try a pararell build with my clapton ss, unfortunatelly that didnt go well cuz my wire was too bendable for a build like this and too thin so i did a normal 6 wrap of my clapton ss , I dont like messing too much with TC I run only wattage mode over the time and it fits me well