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A rep named Johnny Blaze... really? REALLY!?
that was about where i stopped reading
good write up though!
that was about where i stopped reading
good write up though!
Yeah...that's actually in his email address @ Halo, and forum username over @ ECF. They posted the same statement they sent to me over there in the forum supplier's section.
This thing is blowing up in their face, big time. Public perception is key in a matter like this. I'm not sure how they can play the "we don't want to sue anybody" card, and then sue everybody. Then play innocent as if Evolve are the bad guys for going public with it instead of reaching out to them first.
This thing is blowing up in their face, big time. Public perception is key in a matter like this. I'm not sure how they can play the "we don't want to sue anybody" card, and then sue everybody. Then play innocent as if Evolve are the bad guys for going public with it instead of reaching out to them first.
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Right! They are going to totally regret this decision.. personally I was never a fan of Halo juice.. I always thought it was very overrated and didn't taste that great so it doesn't effect me too much but it does send a bad vibe out either way to the community - it will be interesting to see how this plays out.. even if they drop the suit they will still get shit on for it - so they have no choice but to continue and deal with the consequences...
I've used the Carmel Coconut from Evo and it's really very good but personally their juice is a mid grade juice in my eyes so give it up guys you're all good but not amazing
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That's retarded. They are idiots.
Update:
First and foremost the Atomized Labs Team would like to say “Thank You” to V4P3R, ECR Reddit, Vaping Underground, E-Cigarette Forum and the entire E-Cig community for supporting us. We are overwhelmed with the amount of support that the communities have given us and rest assure that we will give back more than we were given. We are currently in the process of re-branding and reformulating and expect to release new branded product with in the next few weeks.
We had planned to release a public statement in regards to the pending lawsuit today; however we were advised by our legal counsel not do so at this time. More information on the pending case should be made available to you within the next several weeks.
Thanks again,
K. Edwards
Atomized Labs, LLC
First and foremost the Atomized Labs Team would like to say “Thank You” to V4P3R, ECR Reddit, Vaping Underground, E-Cigarette Forum and the entire E-Cig community for supporting us. We are overwhelmed with the amount of support that the communities have given us and rest assure that we will give back more than we were given. We are currently in the process of re-branding and reformulating and expect to release new branded product with in the next few weeks.
We had planned to release a public statement in regards to the pending lawsuit today; however we were advised by our legal counsel not do so at this time. More information on the pending case should be made available to you within the next several weeks.
Thanks again,
K. Edwards
Atomized Labs, LLC
They really are idiots.
They didn't even bother trying to discuss things or even bother sending a cease and desist letter, yet they say they wish they that Evolve contacted them to try and find a resolution before going to the press. How hypocritical can they be?
They didn't even bother trying to discuss things or even bother sending a cease and desist letter, yet they say they wish they that Evolve contacted them to try and find a resolution before going to the press. How hypocritical can they be?
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Vapers preying on vapers.
Not a good thing.
That being said, watch out for Karma.
She can be a stone cold bitch and will see that you get what you deserve!
Not a good thing.
That being said, watch out for Karma.
She can be a stone cold bitch and will see that you get what you deserve!
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I have a story at Vaporacle Publishing that's the number one google ranked story if anyone searches about Evolve being sued. It's already been bombed by page hits. If we all get the truth out there Nicopure will be exposed for its shady practices.
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Hey no need to be like that skippy. We're all just trying to get the word out about what Nicopure is doing, right?Might want to sign out of Google and do that search again.
OK any shop who carries Trident group, halo or starbuzz needs to return the product to them.
In no shape or form should this bullshit be allowed to continue.
I honestly hope trident and the little bastard off shoots goes the fuck out of business.
In no shape or form should this bullshit be allowed to continue.
I honestly hope trident and the little bastard off shoots goes the fuck out of business.
It's funny you mention that. I've talked to several people, read a lot of comments, and hell...even Dimitri was talking about it on his show last night:
Who the hell actually uses Halo products or vapes Evo anyway? If they are some mega-corporation who has "invested millions in their brand" (their words, not mine) where is the money coming from if no one is buying their stuff? Granted, the online vaping scene is just a tiny percent of actual vapers, but most people seem to have never even heard of these guys before.
All these calls for boycotts aren't going to do any good when no one uses them anyway LOL.
Who the hell actually uses Halo products or vapes Evo anyway? If they are some mega-corporation who has "invested millions in their brand" (their words, not mine) where is the money coming from if no one is buying their stuff? Granted, the online vaping scene is just a tiny percent of actual vapers, but most people seem to have never even heard of these guys before.
All these calls for boycotts aren't going to do any good when no one uses them anyway LOL.
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I'd expect that kind of response from such a newbie. I have three bottles of Halo and a bottle of eVo Maraschino Tobacco, love them all except the eVo, just not my thing, tastes like baby powder. But a LOT of people use Halo, a freakin lot. How do you think they got the millions that they spend trademarking, out of their back pocket? This is truly a case of the big guy picking on the little guy.
Funny, the article says the parent company is Trident Group, LLC.
But, doing a google search for them, I find tons of companies NOT relating to vaping, even remotely.
Property management (in several states), Business Consulting (in several countries), Maritime security and training, freight management and tracking.
But, doing a google search for them, I find tons of companies NOT relating to vaping, even remotely.
Property management (in several states), Business Consulting (in several countries), Maritime security and training, freight management and tracking.
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Wow, now that's what I call doing some research. Thanks for this info, Zaroba!!!
If nobody was buying their stuff they wouldn't be in business.
So obviously people are (or have been) buying it. lol
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If you put aside the Big Tobacco brands such as Blu or NJoy, I would say the whole Trident / NicoPure / Halo company is one of the top ecig companies there are. A handful of people saying they are going to "boycott" them isn't going to make a dent, and that's the sad thing. They'll get away with this. Taking a few reports of "boycotting" seriously as if it's really a threat against the Coca-Cola of ejuice is really naive if you ask me.
I was just curious to find out what other vape related companies might be owned by them.
There is no sense in people boycotting one subsidiary if they are unknowingly supporting another subsidiary.
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Theres a whole business dedicated to buying Patents and Trademarks then suing the shit out of everyone they even think they can get to fold and give them money to 'settle'... These two have just done that.
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I had no idea they were so huge. Are you sure all those Trident companies are the same company?
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Disgusting.
Really it depends on who those people are.
There is a growing list of juice vendors and makers that are boycotting them.
http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_..._start_a_list_of_juice_makersvendors_that_do/
The hurt would come from resellers boycotting them far more then form private consumers boycotting.
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I can see if someone was cloning one of their flavors such as Voodoo. Voodoo is a very complex flavor, a true masterpiece in juice making if you ask me. Halo's Freedom Juice is also one of the only juices that for me even comes close to tasting like real tobacco. But just getting nitpicky because Evolve sort of sounds like eVo is just petty.
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Let's hope it puts the scare in them then.
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I dont think they are the same.. One is from the Ukraine
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Ya, thats the part I dont understand? If that IS the reason why, it would not have even made pass the first hearing... Why Evolve caved in that case, I dont know.. ?
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I don't know either, makes me think there was something else going on. Since they took their entire site down you can't go in there now to see if they were selling juice names that were similar to eVo or whatever. I've never tried Evolve so I can't say for sure.
Believe it or not 'Patent tolling' has grown to be multibillion dollar a year business, if you can really call it a business.
Something like 2/3rds of patent related lawsuits are being filed by patent trolls who just make broad spectum patents on things to snare anybody that uses something that could possibly fall under it's category.
Like the trolls who tried to sue Minecraft because they patented 'preventing unauthorized access to electronic data' which applies to any website or online service that deals with user accounts. They saw minecraft got real big, so they went in to try their luck.
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Unbelievable. Reminds me of the domain name squatter who constantly try to sell me domains similar to the ones I own.
Fairly certain they are not the same. Can often find numerous businesses with the same name pretty easily, especially when it comes to B&M stores.
I didn't look too hard, but didn't see anything vaping related or that would look like it owned subsidiaries.
So, who are these Trident Group LLC people that own evo and Halo?
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I may be confused. I know TRITON is the name of Halo's e-cig hardware line, not sure what Trident is.
I think there's some confusion over who Trident Group, LLC actually is. There are a couple of different companies with that name. The one that is relevant here is based in NJ.
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So that that mean the other guys can sue them for using thier names?
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Funny the address is a house
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Maybe they are connected. Very rare that big corporations would use identical names, but not that rare that corporations would branch out and sell different things.So that that mean the other guys can sue them for using thier names?
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Nothing surprising about that. Companies merge and move locations and change names in the process all the time. Just look at the Iranian Oil Company that became Amoco that became British Petroleum that is now just called BP
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And thats where the trolling came from.. happens al lthe time. One company buys the rights to anothers patents and trademarks, then trolls the fuck out of the little guys.. It works for about 2 years until someone stands up to them, then they silently slink away looking for another set of patents/trademarks and start over..
Normally, I would agree. But...
It seems odd that they would relocate to be a 30 minute drive away from their lawyer.
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Why? What does their "lawyer" have to do with anything? They are paying their lawyer to do a job for them (so obviously would want to work with someone close to them) and most likely they aren't their lawyer's only client. Sounds like you're really stretching here.
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Ya.. this bit about the lawyer living close is pushing.
It could also be that the lawyer is part of the LLC, but thats not really surprising either.
They didn't move and change name.
Trident (in NJ) combined with Nicopure (in FL and NJ)
The resulting company just stayed in NJ and kept the name Trident
They moved. Unless the owner of the business has a twin with the exact same name in two different states. There is another company, Evolution Properties II, LLC that has the exact same address in NJ and the same owner.
Update from Atomized Labs:
We would like to apologize for the abrupt nature in which we reacted to the trademark infringement lawsuit that was filed against us. Since this was the first we had heard of this issue and due to the severity of the claims, we had a knee-jerk reaction to remove our online store and other advertising materials from the marketplace until we could consult with legal counsel.
Now that we’ve had a chance to weigh the options, we have taken steps to communicate with NicoPure Labs. We hope to resolve this issue with grace; even though we strongly feel that our brands do not meet the criteria for likelihood of confusion in the marketplace. No matter what the outcome; we can guarantee that there was never any intent to capitalize on the property of others.
We truly appreciate all of your input and thank you all for your support of our cause!
We would like to apologize for the abrupt nature in which we reacted to the trademark infringement lawsuit that was filed against us. Since this was the first we had heard of this issue and due to the severity of the claims, we had a knee-jerk reaction to remove our online store and other advertising materials from the marketplace until we could consult with legal counsel.
Now that we’ve had a chance to weigh the options, we have taken steps to communicate with NicoPure Labs. We hope to resolve this issue with grace; even though we strongly feel that our brands do not meet the criteria for likelihood of confusion in the marketplace. No matter what the outcome; we can guarantee that there was never any intent to capitalize on the property of others.
We truly appreciate all of your input and thank you all for your support of our cause!
