Nicotine base strength

[Argusi]

Well, I did an order from a company that generally has good reviews on here. I don't want to mention them at this point. I'm not out to bash. Here's the deal. I ordered a liter of 24mg PG nic base and other things. It arrived yesterday and the nic bottle had 2 stickers on it. One said 100mg and the other said 24mg. I messaged the company and they assured me it was 24mg. Well, the difference between the two is pretty immense. I don't want to mess with 100mg nic base.

Question is, I don't want to blindly follow an assurance that it was mislabeled. Is there a way to tell without buying a test kit? Any tricks? Or do I have to spend more money for piece of mind?

If I make a bottle of juice and treat it as 24mg and it is 100mg, it will be WAY over. I could probably tell, but I really don't want to err in that direction. If I make a bottle and treat it like 100 to test it, I probably won't be able to tell the difference because I vape weak at 3%. I generally don't get any obvious effect from vaping 3% nic.

If anyone has any easy way to tell or tricks of the trade, I'd appreciate it!

 

[freemind]

I don't know why anyone would feel the need to hide a company's name. They all screw up at some point. It's how they handle it, that is important!

No you either need to make a batch as the 24 MG base, or buy a test kit. No other way to tell.

If it's 100 MG base, after a hit you will get sick to your stomach and a bad headache. You only want to take one normal hit and wait a minute. Nic travels quick inhaled.

 

[SteveS45]

When in doubt don't is how I would approach this and get a test kit before using it. Do you really want to use your body as a test device? Now what if it is pure nicotine at 1,000 MG would you want to take a chance?

 

[Jimi D]

Make a batch of 3 mg. Taste a drop. If there is no tingle on your tongue. Its all good.

 

[Jimi D]

When in doubt don't is how I would approach this and get a test kit before using it. Do you really want to use your body as a test device? Now what if it is pure nicotine at 1,000 MG would you want to take a chance?[/QUOTE

But its just 100 mg.

 

[SteveS45]

But its just 100 mg.

Improperly marked to me means I cannot trust what is in the bottle. What if it is not 100?

 

[Jimi D]

Improperly marked to me means I cannot trust what is in the bottle. What if it is not 100?

I seriously doubt if its higher than 100 mg. These nic vendors make huge batches.

 

[SteveS45]

I would spend the $10 for a test kit and then I would use it after I knew with some level of certainty what strength it is.

 

[Argusi]

I don't know why anyone would feel the need to hide a company's name. They all screw up at some point. It's how they handle it, that is important!

No you either need to make a batch as the 24 MG base, or buy a test kit. No other way to tell.

If it's 100 MG base, after a hit you will get sick to your stomach and a bad headache. You only want to take one normal hit and wait a minute. Nic travels quick inhaled.

If prodded, I'll say the company name, but I want to gather the whole story first. If I mention it right off the bat, a lot of people won't read the whole thing. I may edit my original post once I get to the bottom of it. But, FYI, the company rep responded within a few hours.

When in doubt don't is how I would approach this and get a test kit before using it. Do you really want to use your body as a test device? Now what if it is pure nicotine at 1,000 MG would you want to take a chance?

Haha, I don't mind using my body for this if it won't kill me. It's been through worse...

Improperly marked to me means I cannot trust what is in the bottle. What if it is not 100?

100 is the strongest they make, so I'm reasonably sure it's not stronger.

I'll probably make the 3mg assuming it's 24 and drip it. If my most likely flawed math is close, it should still only be about 12ish which will be obvious after a few hits or even sooner. I do 16-18 MTL in my Kayfun, so dripping should open my eyes a bit if it's wrong, lol.

 

[Argusi]

I seriously doubt if its higher than 100 mg. These nic vendors make huge batches.

Agree...

I would spend the $10 for a test kit and then I would use it after I knew with some level of certainty what strength it is.

Honestly, I'm almost out of juice and the fastest I could get it would be Monday. I may order one anyways to test what I buy. It seems strange that a company that sells something so potentially dangerous would make these kinds of mistakes. I read about it all the time. I ordered from Nude Nicotine last time and out of 3 bottles in the order, one cap leaks. Thankfully it was the PG and not the nic. I'm trying a different vendor because I'm concerned with consistency. Handling 100mg is a LOT different than handling 24mg. Granted, they are both dangerous, however, the risk of a small spill is a lot less scary when dealing with lower concentrations of nic.

 

[SteveS45]

I hope you realize that they make the 100 MG from pure nicotine which is 1,000 MG. Do yourself a favor and research what is considered a lethal dose of nicotine.

 

[Argusi]

I hope you realize that they make the 100 MG from pure nicotine which is 1,000 MG. Do yourself a favor and research what is considered a lethal dose of nicotine.

I hear you. I'm looking at finding a test kit now to see how fast I can get it.

Edit: I am still pretty confident that it is at most, 100 as they don't sell any higher strengths and if 1000 got to the shipping line, there would be a lot of deaths from that. I do agree with you that it is a possibility and you are correct. I do know what is lethal and I know you're looking out for me. Still looking for a test kit...

 

[SteveS45]

I am not saying that it is 100 or even pure nicotine what I am saying is with a incorrectly marked bottle you are playing with not knowing what it is and I would not take the chance personally. Now after you test it, how would you feel if it turned out to be 100 when they told you it was 24MG? Mistakes do happen and it could just be a labeling mistake but to wind up with 4 times as strong nicotine in your DIY?

 

[Argusi]

I am not saying that it is 100 or even pure nicotine what I am saying is with a incorrectly marked bottle you are playing with not knowing what it is and I would not take the chance personally. Now after you test it, how would you feel if it turned out to be 100 when they told you it was 24MG? Mistakes do happen and it could just be a labeling mistake but to wind up with 4 times as strong nicotine in your DIY?

You are right. I just placed an order for a test kit. Thanks, @SteveS45. I'll update the thread when I get it and verify if it was indeed just a shipping label error.

 

[SteveS45]

In the mean time I would vape Zero DIY or buy some store bought e-Liquid. Also next time maybe you should think about ordering before you are almost out. Just a suggestion.

Good Luck

 

[Argusi]

In the mean time I would vape Zero DIY or buy some store bought e-Liquid. Also next time maybe you should think about ordering before you are almost out. Just a suggestion.

Good Luck

What happened was I had a bunch of requests last week from a few people for bottles of different juices that I had made. I made 6 extra 30ml bottles last weekend over what I had planned and I ordered at that time. I was going to order anyways, but that tapped me out faster than anticipated and I didn't bank on a mistake like this.

 

[SteveS45]

What did you open a store already? LOL! If others are consuming your e-Liquids you really should be sure of what strength your nicotine is.

 

[freemind]

It sounds like he is a DIYer that makes juice for people on the side.

I agree, don't make juice for others until you know what you have. You may also want to rethink making others, juice. Sooner or later the FDA and local governments will crack down on this. It won't be worth the risk of getting caught.

 

[Bobx]

I seriously doubt if its higher than 100 mg. These nic vendors make huge batches.

Your best off to listen to @SteveS45 There was a vendor that had shipped out nic a while back at I believe 200 or 300 mg/ml and was marked at 100mg/ml. They did catch the mistake and no one was hurt. It does not happen all that often but they can make mistakes.

I would spend the $10 for a test kit and then I would use it after I knew with some level of certainty what strength it is.

Like you said well worth the money.

 

[Argusi]

What did you open a store already? LOL! If others are consuming your e-Liquids you really should be sure of what strength your nicotine is.

Haha! No store, just good friends. We've been working/vaping together for years. I have been sure of nic strength before this and I'm sure that it's either 24 or 100mg! I just have to find out which one, lol. All of them vape at 3% like I do and it's easy.

It is a reputable company with good reviews on this site, but I have never had any experience with them, so I'm cautious. Looking at the bottle again, the label that has 24mg on it has other values on it, which weighs me toward that's the one that's put on when it is bottled. The label that says 100 is in bigger font and made on a different, lower quality printer, stuck on their slightly crooked and in bigger font, so that is probably true that shipping probably did put it on. The company also is a reseller of a well known nic, so the sticker with the more scientific looking numbers on it is probably how they got it from the source and what is actually in the bottle.

 

[SteveS45]

Sketchy if you asked me. You dilute 100 to make 24 not the other way around.

 

[Argusi]

It sounds like he is a DIYer that makes juice for people on the side.

I agree, don't make juice for others until you know what you have. You may also want to rethink making others, juice. Sooner or later the FDA and local governments will crack down on this. It won't be worth the risk of getting caught.

This is just for friends that I've been working/vaping (and smoking, 4-5 years ago) with for many years. I don't sell a drop and no one gets any that I haven't been to their house and know their families personally. When I made it, they tried it and they asked for some. Again, close friends that I've known for years. My kids know their kids. My wife knows their wives. "Makes juice for people on the side", insinuates that I am making some kind of business or even profit from this. That is not and never will be the case. No need to continue this part of the thread. Just understand there is nothing sneaky in my actions or my questions on this forum. I want to quell this line of thinking, right off the bat. I'm just doing this for fun, that's it.

I'm not going to make it for them if I don't know what it is. It's reasonable to assume, as I explained in another post that it is okay and as I ordered, but as I said, I'm not blindly taking the companies word for what they sent since the labels do not match. I did order a test kit, as I said previously. I would not make it for my friends without knowing what I am giving them. I may take a risk, but I won't risk others. I'm not like that, even a little bit.

Your best off to listen to @SteveS45 There was a vendor that had shipped out nic a while back at I believe 200 or 300 mg/ml and was marked at 100mg/ml. They did catch the mistake and no one was hurt. It does not happen all that often but they can make mistakes.

Like you said well worth the money.

Test kit was ordered!

 

[Argusi]

Sketchy if you asked me. You dilute 100 to make 24 not the other way around.

We'll find out. I still think it is 24 from how I described the labeling, but when the test kit comes, we'll see.

 

[SteveS45]

We'll find out. I still think it is 24 from how I described the labeling, but when the test kit comes, we'll see.

That will definitely be an interesting update I will be looking for. I would rather have my concern turn out to be for no reason then for you to say Holy Crap it was 100 Proof!

 

[Argusi]

That will definitely be an interesting update I will be looking for. I would rather have my concern turn out to be for no reason then for you to say Holy Crap it was 100 Proof!

That would definitely not be good. You're right. I expect it to be right, but better safe than sorry. On a side note. I have enough nic left over to make a 30ml. I think it will be key lime pie! Yay!

 

[Jimi D]

Your best off to listen to @SteveS45 There was a vendor that had shipped out nic a while back at I believe 200 or 300 mg/ml and was marked at 100mg/ml. They did catch the mistake and no one was hurt. It does not happen all that often but they can make mistakes.

I've been making juice since 2010. I listen to nobody ! I've had nic that was over 100 mg before. I've diluted 1000mg as well. You guys take nicotine like its uranium for Christ's sake !

 

[SteveS45]

Attitudes like that about Nicotine is one of the reasons for the FDA doing things like they do. What kind of precautions did you take working with pure nicotine?

 

[Jimi D]

Attitudes like that about Nicotine is one of the reasons for the FDA doing things like they do. What kind of precautions did you take working with pure nicotine?

I diluted it with my cock swinging around.

 

[RonJS]

I diluted it with my cock swinging around.

I seem to recall that special mixing technique refereed to in Post #15 here:

http://vapingunderground.com/threads/honey-bun.200773/



Ron
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"The beautiful thing about learning is nobody can take it away from you."- B. B. King

 

[Bobx]

I've been making juice since 2010. I listen to nobody ! I've had nic that was over 100 mg before. I've diluted 1000mg as well. You guys take nicotine like its uranium for Christ's sake !

And how did you know they were over 100mg. Did you test them?? Or did you just take their word for it?? 100 1000 or even 10,000 makes no difference to me as long as I know what it is and I can mix accordingly. Usually when the supplier says its 100mg/ml then you can be pretty sure it is close to that give or take. It will never be 100mg/ml right on. But the OP's problem here is that there are two labels on it @ 24mg and 100mg. In order to mix properly he has to be sure what it is. Not just guess at it.

I don't treat 100mg/ml like uranium because it does not bother me when I get it on myself. I imagine that it does not hurt you either. But there are people out there that will be affected by it, thus the WARNING labels on every bottle.

Now just because It does not bother me I would always suggest to people to take the necessary precautions. To say anything different is just stupidity and can cause someone a whole lot of problems.

I diluted it with my cock swinging around.

Glad your not making my juice

 

[Jimi D]

And how did you know they were over 100mg. Did you test them?? Or did you just take their word for it?? 100 1000 or even 10,000 makes no difference to me as long as I know what it is and I can mix accordingly. Usually when the supplier says its 100mg/ml then you can be pretty sure it is close to that give or take. It will never be 100mg/ml right on. But the OP's problem here is that there are two labels on it @ 24mg and 100mg. In order to mix properly he has to be sure what it is. Not just guess at it.

I don't treat 100mg/ml like uranium because it does not bother me when I get it on myself. I imagine that it does not hurt you either. But there are people out there that will be affected by it, thus the WARNING labels on every bottle.

Now just because It does not bother me I would always suggest to people to take the necessary precautions. To say anything different is just stupidity and can cause someone a whole lot of problems.



Glad your not making my juice

The vendor didn't mix the VG and pure properly? My body told me that it was way too strong. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. 24mg and 100mg is simple enough to tell them apart.

Nobody vapes my juice. I DIY and I own that shit ! People are just whiny bitches. Never happy or satisfied

 

[Bobx]

I've had nic that was over 100 mg before.

My body told me that it was way too strong.

So your body told you it was too strong. Did your body also tell you how many mg it actually was??