I picked up a Russian 91% months ago after it was suggested by those in the know on this forum and really dig it. I am a simple MTL guy who typically vapes at only 9 watts/4.2 V/1.8 to 2 ohms. Tried dialing down subtanks but always find the Russian more to my liking. Any suggestions on something similar or perhaps superior? I don't really mind bottom fill but am open to any suggestions.
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Holy crap, I never actually looked at that one because I thought its a random subtank with premade coils but this looks great!
Single coil with a decent deck and not loads of airflow, hows the flavor with this thing?
meh nevermind, its whisteling and the airflow is a lot actually... if this had less airflow and an inner chimney like the billow... damn
Single coil with a decent deck and not loads of airflow, hows the flavor with this thing?
meh nevermind, its whisteling and the airflow is a lot actually... if this had less airflow and an inner chimney like the billow... damn
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Why would you even want a single coil rta with that much airflow???
Since you like the Russian 91%, you might like one of the Kayfun versions. I used to vape on the earlier Kayfun clones. However, for me, they haven't had enough airflow, but then, I'm a DL hitter. If I'm not mistaken, the Kayfun V4 has top fill.
It's enough airflow
Flavor on this tank is amazing
It's PIA to build, but like all others out there once you got it you got it!!
And it's not just a MTL TANK you can DL as well....
I currently have a .5 clapton in there,rocking it at 40-45 watts depends on what juice I have..
I mostly use it with my fruit flavored juice...
Own one to know one!
You can't just rely on watching YT VIDS... Read the reviews about it 100% positive,
Build it right and you be alright!!
BTW THE TANK IS NOT REPLACEABLE...
Vape On
For my money, the serpent's a pretty damn good tank! It's definitely airy, but I'm getting a loose MTL out of it.
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Mark bugs gem v2 is coming soon. More expensive than the Russian but also way better. Imo. Simple
Coils. Extreme flavour
I own a taifun gt2 authentic and a few others. The gem tanks are the best for me 1 I vape like you. There expensive and Mark bugs support isn't great. Also they like to destroy their second hand market so don't buy it planning to sell later.
All that said you'll struggle to find something that vapes better for
Mouth to lung.
If you want something less expensive anything in the ego tank line (mega, one or pico clone with clr adaptor from 3rvape) with clr rebuildable coils are by far the best tasting and vapor production for our style. He clr coils take two minutes to rebuild and a pack of five is about $12. You can throw them away if you don't feel
Like rebuilding. The truly disposable cl coils are terrible. Don't bother with them.
I like the ego mega tank ($13) it's a simple no bs bottom fill tank that holds a fair bit of liquid without being large and like I said the clr coils are simply the best you can get for this style. I have about thirty of them now. When I rebuild I do ten at s time or so then don't rebuild for a couple months. Takes half an hour to rebuild 10-12 you can build them for temp
Control. Regular kanthal. Stainless whatever. There's enough room get more than enough wraps with 28 gauge. I use twisted 28 a lot.
All in you'd spend $25-30
For a ego mega tank and a five pack of coils. The gem tanks are about $160-190. The flavor of the ego beats Kayfun and Russian imo. Shocking given the super low price.
Here are some pics
Gem/wae combo - expensive
Size comparison
Emow, Evic mini with ego mega tank(great mod and tank Combo for $50) and the pico and mini volt. The ego mega tank is $13 without the mod.
If you have a big budget get a gem if you want to stay inexpensive get the ego mega tank or pico clone and 5pk of clr coils (I rewick the coils when they arrive as I prefer my wicking material to theirs but I use their build then rebuild when it's used up)
If you vape hick liquid the first get can be finicky. The titanium limited and the new gem v2 arriving solves this. The gem v2 is going to cost less than the $185 of the first one.
Coils. Extreme flavour
I own a taifun gt2 authentic and a few others. The gem tanks are the best for me 1 I vape like you. There expensive and Mark bugs support isn't great. Also they like to destroy their second hand market so don't buy it planning to sell later.
All that said you'll struggle to find something that vapes better for
Mouth to lung.
If you want something less expensive anything in the ego tank line (mega, one or pico clone with clr adaptor from 3rvape) with clr rebuildable coils are by far the best tasting and vapor production for our style. He clr coils take two minutes to rebuild and a pack of five is about $12. You can throw them away if you don't feel
Like rebuilding. The truly disposable cl coils are terrible. Don't bother with them.
I like the ego mega tank ($13) it's a simple no bs bottom fill tank that holds a fair bit of liquid without being large and like I said the clr coils are simply the best you can get for this style. I have about thirty of them now. When I rebuild I do ten at s time or so then don't rebuild for a couple months. Takes half an hour to rebuild 10-12 you can build them for temp
Control. Regular kanthal. Stainless whatever. There's enough room get more than enough wraps with 28 gauge. I use twisted 28 a lot.
All in you'd spend $25-30
For a ego mega tank and a five pack of coils. The gem tanks are about $160-190. The flavor of the ego beats Kayfun and Russian imo. Shocking given the super low price.
Here are some pics
Gem/wae combo - expensive
Size comparison
Emow, Evic mini with ego mega tank(great mod and tank Combo for $50) and the pico and mini volt. The ego mega tank is $13 without the mod.
If you have a big budget get a gem if you want to stay inexpensive get the ego mega tank or pico clone and 5pk of clr coils (I rewick the coils when they arrive as I prefer my wicking material to theirs but I use their build then rebuild when it's used up)
If you vape hick liquid the first get can be finicky. The titanium limited and the new gem v2 arriving solves this. The gem v2 is going to cost less than the $185 of the first one.
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Because old school Kayfun's have so many accessories available and they're damn near the same thing as a russian you could get a quality clone and customize the crap out of it for cheap. Or for more features and more fiddling a kayfun v4 might be an option. Happy hunting.
I'm sure it could be done, but I wouldn't really put the Griffin in the MTL list. It's an awesome tank, but getting the airflow and draw right would be tough and it'd probably whistle like mad.I would also take a close look at the Geekvape Griffin..It's the best RTA I've ever had the pleasure to build and vape..its awesome!
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Yup, I was able to make the TFV4 into a pretty decent MTL setup, but that involved a very small ID vertical coil, the plug that come with the Mini kit, and closing the airflow almost all the way. And it's still not as good as those designed for it, but it was satisfactory.
Sorry I was a bit all
Over the place.
The gem v1 can be finicky with thick liquid. I vape 90-% and I have a way of wicking it perfectly. But if you do t may other way it won't work properly. The titanium Limited edition fixed the issue. And the gem v2 carries that fix and adds more airflow.
Imo if you want the best flavor tank it there for mouth to lung it's the gem. I've tried a ton of other tanks from $20-$400 and the gem is still
Without doubt he best tasting tank I own.
I mentioned the wicking issue with thick liquid but don't be afraid if you can get a deal
In a first generation take it.
The method or wicking for thick liquid is extremely simple. It's just specific. I can make a five minute video to show how it's done. Everyone who vaoes thick and switched to his method swears by it. You basically just use the deck screws as he market for cutting so you wind up wih thick in the center and very thin on the side side. Like I said with the new version coming you may be able to score a second hand first version for a song - if you have hat opportunity take it. The wicking does work. And once you do it once it's never an issue again using the method I came up with. I struggled for a few months to wick consistently before figuring it out and now it's perfect. So get the one you can afford. The titanium is going to be $225-280. The first gen one is going to be $140-165 used. The second gen is going to be ???
They're expensive. And customer support isn't great. But they do eventually sort things out and by a landslide it's the best flavor tank on the market in my opinion. If you look at the design the collection area is a couple of mm tall. This makes a very concentrated flavor. It even makes one of my juices (marathon milkshake from Eco vape) taste totally different.
Due to the small area the build isn't ever going to be creative. 6 wrap kanthal contact coil or five wrap nickel , nife 48, stainless steel spaced. That's it. You're not going to fit Clapton it twisted wire in. So if you really like experimenting with wire types and builds its not a great solution.
I've read a lot of people say there are better for flavor. I can only think they haven't owned them.
On thing it offers is a very dense vape. That's important to me. Anemic though voluminous vape doesn't work for me. I came off smoking so I like thick vape. I don't need a ton of vapor but it needs to be thick.
The closest flavor wise and density ive found to the gem is the Gus phenomenon lite. It's like ankayfun / Russian on steroids. Not too expensive. I don't care for the necessity to following a needle bottle but the vape is outstanding with he extreme chimney. I have two gems so in going to well my phenomenon lite / Gus 22 combo. But if you want a great boutique vape for less than the gem you may want to look at that. I'm selling my combination for $100 - so a mech kid and tank plus a ton of extras for less than 2/3 the price of the gem. Worth looking into if you don't want to spend as much as Mark bugs asks.
If you're a fan of the Russian or Kayfun in general I really feel these two and the cloud one are probably the way to go. I can certainly give endless detail on the phenomenon lite and gem but not the cloud one as it hasn't been in hand yet.
I cannot however stress enough that you should try an ego mega tank and five 1.0 clr coils (rewick them) the flavor and density is up there with the $300 units and if appearance isn't that important I can't imagine you'd be in satisfied with the vape. The tank is $13 and the coils are $12. You can rebuild them in 2 mins each. I really can't stress enough how good this tank is. When I got his setup it made me question every boutique tank is ever bought. Whisk the gem edges it in flavor if I didn't have a juice that tasted unique in the gems or appreciate he industrial design of other setups I would use these exclusively. They offer almost everything w high end tank does in character of vape at 1/10 the price and a very big level of convenience. I don't care for most Premade coils. But with the clr the build is whatever you want it to be. If I built a coil like I built the gem and set power and such evenly. Blindfolded you. You'd taste only the slightest if difference in feel
If more people knew this the boutiques may be in some trouble. It may not be the best for sub tank users but it's the only tank to come out lately that does mouth to lung well imo. It's better than the triton mini coils in anything and I can't think of another mass produced product is praise his highly.
So it's a matter of what you want to spend and if you want the best or 95% of the best without he looks for 1/10 the price
One last thing how much does size matter to you. The piccoloid setup carries 3 mo and it's smaller than a sharpie marker in mech form. It builds simply offers great flavor and density. And the price is good for a whole kit. I get about 1.5-2 ml off one aw 14500 battery. It's the kit I take everywhere with me. It's TINY.
If you get the ego mega tank or Tron s tank and clr coils I'd be shocked if you decided to
Push forward unless you're looking for a more classic looking setup. I admit I enjoy the looks of many devices. Owning now four tanks that take clr coils and two gems I'll be selling everything else. Including a couple of $200-400 setups. I genuinely felt stupid for spending so much after finding the clr driven tanks. The gems and piccoloid are that special that they deserve it. Alms or nothing else I've bought is. picture is emow, piccoloid, gem with wae in 500 mode, aspire triton mini with Pegasus mini (size reference don't buy this it's not good enough), kabuki wih mini volt
Here is he piccoloid and Sx mini with titanium
Gem compared to a single battery and a pair of tweezers. Why not
If size is equally important to vape quality then a piccoloid setup may be the way to
Go.
Hope that's helpful. Sorry for the book. There's not a lot of great information share for
Mouth to lung vapers in the English speaking world. So I was trying to be thorough
Qorax has a good video On the piccoloid and gem tanks
Gem v1
Gem v2
Piccoloid setup
I can't seem
To find the full Piccoloid review- but look at Qorax YouTube videos for tank builds etc. please bear in mind his reviews are great for building but he doesn't review stuff he doesn't like. So they're not really opinions on what to get. Everything he reviews is great to him. All that said Qorax is a very friendly member who takes a look st s ton of high end stuff. Shows builds etx
I much prefer he piccoloid to the larger HnP setup. Flavor and vape experience is better as is the size.
Please don't get caught up
In the kabuki hype. I guess if nautilus coils were eve good enough for someone they may think
It's great. The nautilus coils and tanks were ember good enough in my opinion and expecting the kabuki and triton mini to be that much better was folly on my part. The triton mini coils are great. They only last ten ml though which is unacceptable.
At he end of it if a friend who didn't have a lot of money or needed to be able to make a lot
Of Coils for travel exactly how he wanted asked what to get I'd say ego + clr
If someone said what's the absolute best - gem
They want that sort of flavor without the expense, like Kayfun decks and don't mind putting liquid into needle bottles - phenomenon lite
Someone said they needed a combination of amazing vape and tiny size. - piccoloid.
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This is something most lung hitters don't get. If I had a nickel for every recommendation k read if sub tank when someone asks for a mouth to lung tank is have at least enough for a McDonald's meal. I agree when shutting down a sub tank like this it creates an uncomfortably hot anemic vape wih no body and burnt taste. The one exception is the Triron 2 with 1.8 coils as hey drastically reduce he interior of the coil. It works. It's probably the only modern sub tank worth getting
Except anything that takes the clr coils. Which are exceptional and work However you want
I think that's a hugely important thing. Without the internal reduction in airflow it's just not nearly the same. I'm thinking about getting the TFV4 Mini kit that shrinks it and has the MTL coils. I'm curious how it would work. I know I was able to get the Mini decent with the single RBA deck and the plug, but it still wasn't quite there and the flavor was very meh.
I'm mainly DL though, just like to have a good MTL setup for when I'm going to a bar or party or anywhere I would want to vape but not blow clouds.
The tfv4 did work pretty well in mouth to lung. Not quite to how I like it but yah for your uses then it would probably pull double duty well. I don't know if recommend it for s full
Time mouth to lung vaper. I'm about to try the triton 2 with 1.8 because I want something I can occasionally lung hit too and I HATE the subtank. It's a spitting mess imo. I'd try the tfv4 but I just Kent pay $5 a coil. Too Much for Me for stuff I'm throwing away. I need to check online pricing.
Naw my TFV4 full size is back in it's box, my Mini is sitting there with a MTL setup back in it but like i said, it has issues currently. I'm on to the Griffin, Avocado, and Haze for my normal use. $5 for the conversion kit for the Mini from Fast Tech, but that means I won't see it for a month... decisions.
What does the conversion kit do? I'd ordered my triton setup but cancelled it. However the business in their wisdom Sent it anyway.
You know the older kanger setups like the emow with he newer coil work super well
For w good Flavorful vape without expense or clouds. I'm not going to pretend they're in the same
Class as stuff I mentioned but I take my emow to the movie theatre so
I'm not clouding up
The place.
I don't have it myself yet so I can't say with full certainty. But it looks like it has new smaller coils that have less airflow on the base and smaller ID for less airflow there too. So it should be a much tighter draw. Along with that it comes with a new glass piece so you can connect the normal top to the smaller base shrinking the height down. And because the coil is so much smaller you actually gain juice capacity in the Mini, where it's normally 3 or 3.5ml (I forget) it is then like 4ml or something like that. Basically it's to turn a mini into a MTL vape, but then they also have smaller DL based coils so you can use it for that. The TFV4... it has some kind of attachment/thing for everyone! Or, at least they've really tried.
Oh that's interesting. But the coils are actually made by smok right ? Not a third party ? I need to Chex fasttech for pricing. On the mini. Conversion and mostly the coil prices. The tfv4 coils are super expensive.
So is he conversion / new coils not available in the USA yet ?
Tf-t2 and tf-tair2 coils are the new ones? $4 a coil is so much unless they last a couple weeks.
That's something else to
Consider. Let's say you use a coil a week. At $4 a coil $200 in coils. Vs $200 on a tank you can resell for at least $100 later
Unless you hate building I don't see he math working out for expense. You'd have to really want any to not build.
My titanium gem was $240 after import tax. But I'll never spend another penny. Which means it costs about what a tfv4 mini and a year of coils costs.
One thing about the gem. The deck is so
Simple to build. It take about three or four minutes to build.
For those who haven't seen the gem deck here
You pop out he center to build
To wick pass through. Pull up and enemy with deck screws and snip snip. Lay flat
Thick min the middle thin on the outside. Very fast to build. So when I say it's finnicky. If you try to just snip even with the end it won't wick right but if you pull up and use the screws to make it taper it works like a champ and is super fast
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I believe so, but I don't know if they're selling just the MTL coils yet. They released the "on the way" info late last year but I don't think the micro is available yet for individual purchase, just in kits. The cool Drip tip option I haven't seen anything about. I haven't seen the micro coils for purchase outside the 2 that come in the guardian III/Micro One Kits.
So it's not something I'm recommending as much as something I'm curious about myself and have been for a couple months as I watch it slowly drip out piece by piece.
Funny thing is seeing the couple coil options they have for individual purchase, you can grab the whole mini backup kit including 1 .3Ω coil and 1 1.8Ω coil for cheaper on fasttech. Could order a handful of those
So it's not something I'm recommending as much as something I'm curious about myself and have been for a couple months as I watch it slowly drip out piece by piece.
Funny thing is seeing the couple coil options they have for individual purchase, you can grab the whole mini backup kit including 1 .3Ω coil and 1 1.8Ω coil for cheaper on fasttech. Could order a handful of those
What's the gems wide open airflow comparative too? Is it like a pico wide open?Mark bugs gem v2 is coming soon. More expensive than the Russian but also way better. Imo. Simple
Coils. Extreme flavour
I own a taifun gt2 authentic and a few others. The gem tanks are the best for me 1 I vape like you. There expensive and Mark bugs support isn't great. Also they like to destroy their second hand market so don't buy it planning to sell later.
All that said you'll struggle to find something that vapes better for
Mouth to lung.
If you want something less expensive anything in the ego tank line (mega, one or pico clone with clr adaptor from 3rvape) with clr rebuildable coils are by far the best tasting and vapor production for our style. He clr coils take two minutes to rebuild and a pack of five is about $12. You can throw them away if you don't feel
Like rebuilding. The truly disposable cl coils are terrible. Don't bother with them.
I like the ego mega tank ($13) it's a simple no bs bottom fill tank that holds a fair bit of liquid without being large and like I said the clr coils are simply the best you can get for this style. I have about thirty of them now. When I rebuild I do ten at s time or so then don't rebuild for a couple months. Takes half an hour to rebuild 10-12 you can build them for temp
Control. Regular kanthal. Stainless whatever. There's enough room get more than enough wraps with 28 gauge. I use twisted 28 a lot.
All in you'd spend $25-30
For a ego mega tank and a five pack of coils. The gem tanks are about $160-190. The flavor of the ego beats Kayfun and Russian imo. Shocking given the super low price.
Here are some pics
Gem/wae combo - expensive
Size comparison
Emow, Evic mini with ego mega tank(great mod and tank Combo for $50) and the pico and mini volt. The ego mega tank is $13 without the mod.
If you have a big budget get a gem if you want to stay inexpensive get the ego mega tank or pico clone and 5pk of clr coils (I rewick the coils when they arrive as I prefer my wicking material to theirs but I use their build then rebuild when it's used up)
If you vape hick liquid the first get can be finicky. The titanium limited and the new gem v2 arriving solves this. The gem v2 is going to cost less than the $185 of the first one.
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I'm really liking my Tron-s, just using the stock 1 ohm CLR heads for now.
I'll get around to rebuilding them eventually...
Nice to be able to close the airflow down low for MTL and no leaking is a big plus too.
I like the Cubis with the Claptons too, but now waiting for the RBA that is coming, ordered.
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Substantially more than that and with the v2 a ton more... I'd say the pico has maybe 65% of the gem v1 and titanium air flow. A bit more than the tai fun gt2 if that helps any.
I almost ways vape mouth to lung and I find the pico to be just a hair too restrictive honestly... I wish it had maybe 50% more airflow..
The gem to me can be vaped wide open or slightly off. The airflow design is pretty clever, you can't see the hole but it's still drawing it in, kind of a c curve that pushes away from the deck.. Its' interesting..
The lemo is good. It doesn't like my 90% juice that much but the flavor is good. Not all that dense and I don't care for the way it fill personally but for the $20 or whatever it is if you can find one now it's a fairly good atomizer.
So I received a triton 2 today... I've seen so much praise on that tank with the 1.8 coils for mouth to lung..
Unfortunately that praise is completely unwarranted. It's terrible imo. Bland, anemic vape...i am hoping the coil will break in but not optimistic
I've spent a small fortune the last year trying to find something better than I have , everything iisn't as good. So honestly I stick to what I said.
ANything taking the CLR coils is good, the mega tank and tron tanks are the best
The piccolo is for size flavor and density
And the gem for the ultimate in flavor and density.
Let me know if I can help further and good luck
Unfortunately that praise is completely unwarranted. It's terrible imo. Bland, anemic vape...i am hoping the coil will break in but not optimistic
I've spent a small fortune the last year trying to find something better than I have , everything iisn't as good. So honestly I stick to what I said.
ANything taking the CLR coils is good, the mega tank and tron tanks are the best
The piccolo is for size flavor and density
And the gem for the ultimate in flavor and density.
Let me know if I can help further and good luck
I won mine in a contest a while back. I use it to vape some of the higher nic juices I still have in my collection.
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I used Russians and Kayfuns for two years, great tanks. Couple of months ago I got a couple Tobeco hurricane clones, amazing! Really good upgrade, better flavor than the Russian, better airflow but still mouth to lung. I vape it 1.5 ohms at 13 watts, nothing too crazy,.
Only two downsides are the tank itself is polycarbonate, with threads so it doesn't last long, two months it was shot, I got a 5 pack from fast tech and a metal one.
The other downside is bottom fill. I really recommend it. Check out Pbusardo vid.
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Inmdeifnitekynjnteresredninnseeinf how this goes. The triton 1.8 coil did break in some and I'm going above their power reo me dstions. Given the wick thickness I can't see why one would limit that low. It's hard to see down the center to gauge how the coil is holding up.
Either way side by side the clr coils are cheaper and offer a better vape to me. I had a couple triton coil packs checked out on fasttech and I jsitify though for $23 or whatever so I really want any more of these or should I just write he new triton tank off pretty much immediately.
Literally every coil aspire makes has a weird taste to me. Nautilus is the worst. Triton mini next. Then triton. The Atlantis coil had it too. It MUST be either their wire or wick they're using. There's just a strange note to every aspire coil I've ever tried. Certainly doesn't taste like kanthal and organic cotton. More like nichrome and crap cotton.
Either way side by side the clr coils are cheaper and offer a better vape to me. I had a couple triton coil packs checked out on fasttech and I jsitify though for $23 or whatever so I really want any more of these or should I just write he new triton tank off pretty much immediately.
Literally every coil aspire makes has a weird taste to me. Nautilus is the worst. Triton mini next. Then triton. The Atlantis coil had it too. It MUST be either their wire or wick they're using. There's just a strange note to every aspire coil I've ever tried. Certainly doesn't taste like kanthal and organic cotton. More like nichrome and crap cotton.