Poor vapour production

[callum.starkie]

Hey guys, I am building a quad coil 454 big block copper which i believe is authentic, I Am using 26 gauge kanthal and its on a nemesis copper clone with an efest 2500mah 35a battery (18650) with alien vision and purity juice. I am getting no more vape production then I would get off my aspire nautilus setup with Vision spinner battery. I'm pulling my hair out as to why


Thanks, Callum

 

[vaperature]

What ohms are you at?

 

[callum.starkie]

My ohm tester broke so I'm waiting for the new one to come I know it's unsafe and I shouldn't but could that be the problem?


Thanks, Callum

 

[Midniteoyl]

As replied in your other thread, 4 coils is actually a lot to heat up.. If you dont know your ohms, you dont really know what wattage you are pushing.

 

[vaperature]

Get yourself a 50w or 100w regulated vv/vw mod with an ohm counter built in. You're 18650 battery probably can't handle the sub-ohming you're attempting.

 

[callum.starkie]

I've even attempted a duel coil and still having no joy, can anyone think of anything else?


Thanks, Callum

 

[vaperature]

I've even attempted a duel coil and still having no joy, can anyone think of anything else?


Thanks, Callum

How are you even building without an ohm meter? You might as well be wearing a blindfold.

 

[callum.starkie]

Really bad by the looks of it


Thanks, Callum

 

[callum.starkie]

When the volt meter comes what should I be looking at for the best vape?


Thanks, Callum

 

[vaperature]

Really bad by the looks of it


Thanks, Callum

Lol. You're asking for advice on how to build without using proper equipment. Who knows what ohms you're getting with 26g wire. I'm using 28g right now on a dual coil each wrapped eight times and it's coming out at 1.1. You're using 26g with a quad coil wrapped who knows how many times, you're probably coming out a 0.2 or 0.1. Careful you don't blow your face off. Get the proper equipment (ohm meter, stronger / safer battery) and watch a shit load of tutorial videos about how to build and study up on ohms law and study some charts about gauges and loops as they pertain to ohms and then build yourself the monster that you're looking for.

 

[callum.starkie]

I didn't realise how important it is to use a ohms meter, thanks I'll study ohms law, I've watched the tutorials (could be how I haven't blew my face off) and try again

 

[madmonkey]

I didn't realise how important it is to use a ohms meter, thanks I'll study ohms law, I've watched the tutorials (could be how I haven't blew my face off) and try again

@vaperature has got a good point.

8 wraps of 28 gauge A1 Kanthal on a 2.4 mm drill bit comes out between 1.35 and 1.4 ohms....build and wire down four of those suckers and you've got a resistance of .34-.35 and and you're battery is working it's ass off to heat all four of them...that's a lot of work for a single battery on a mech. Ohm's law and resistance is just one part of the equation....wire mass, density, and volume is a big part of it as well. Although you might not be pushing your battery to it's max amps you're still making it work hard to heat up that much wire and you're using 26 gauge instead of 28 so you might actually be pushing your poor battery to it's limits.

I just ran the numbers and with a 2.4 mm drill bit, quad coils of 7 wraps puts you at .2 . And because there is so much wire for the current to travel threw with so little resistance you've got a high amp draw and low heat production. You're battery is effectively working hard to get you know where fast.

I have two different Mutation X atty's I am running right now with the same resistance. one is made with 24 gauge kanthal and the other is made with 23 gauge. Even though the resistance is the same the 23 gauge is a bit cooler if I run them on the same mech with the same battery because the wire mass and density is different. The thicker the wire, the longer it takes to heat up and cool down so the cooler the vape will be because the wire gives less resistance to the coil, the more amps run threw it to get the job done.

And when you start playing with 3 or 4 coils with thicker wire your resistance drops fast, and if the coils aren't perfectly even you can pop one and short out and not see it coming till it happens if you're not careful. At the least they won't heat evenly which will still make a shitty vape.

Just some food for thought.

 

[callum.starkie]

I've just stuck my nautilus on for the time being the video I watched for the setup I had was 8 wraps on 2mm I mean the coils are even I gave it several attempts to make sure they were right and then I noticed he had a .45 on the ohms reader, I'll wait for mine to come tomorrow hopefully and then build exactly how the guy did in the video and should get better results. Thanks for all the help

 

[JOLT74]

I have a friend having a similar problem, with a different setup but same battery, so I'm gunna have to say it's your battery unfortunately, efests aren't know for quality, also check all your connections and make sure all your posts are tight

 

[JOLT74]

I didn't realise how important it is to use a ohms meter, thanks I'll study ohms law, I've watched the tutorials (could be how I haven't blew my face off) and try again

It's not as important as some are making it seem cuz you're not at low enough of a resistence for that to be an issue

 

[madmonkey]

It's not as important as some are making it seem cuz you're not at low enough of a resistance for that to be an issue

yes it is...low or not...what about hotspots or shorts...or a screw coming a hair's turn loose during wicking and going unnoticed? Things can happen, stupid little things, they've happened to me and I triple check my shit...ohms meters are every bit as important as we're making them seem.

 

[JOLT74]

yes it is...low or not...what about hotspots or shorts...or a screw coming a hair's turn loose during wicking and going unnoticed? Things can happen, stupid little things, they've happened to me and I triple check my shit...ohms meters are every bit as important as we're making them seem.

Ohms meters won't show you where a short is or if a screw is lose, I've built with and without an Ohms meter and it's never mattered, I've had problems happen yeah but not right after I build

 

[madmonkey]

Ohms meters won't show you where a short is or if a screw is lose, I've built with and without an Ohms meter and it's never mattered, I've had problems happen yeah but not right after I build

my ohm's meter wobbles between a couple numbers if my leads aren't tight. True they can't really show hotspots...but you can poke at a coil with a toothpick and figure out if it's just a loose connection or a pinched/snipped lead from an overtightened screw or if a screw has wiggled loose from wicking if your numbers change/wobble

I build the same damn coil for my Kayfun twice a month, I don't need a meter to know it's resistance, but I still use it to make sure my connections are good and not shorting because even though I've replaced my screws and insulators my deck for whatever reason doesn't want to ground properly and if I don't tighten down my coil just right it will short and short itself out. I am going to end up having to buy another Kayfun Lite Plus before they quit making them since no one seems to stock just the deck anymore...but yes....you can build without an ohms meter all you want. I won't tell you what to do. That's not what I am here for...I am here to help and answer questions and offer opinions,,,,,,

but you won't get me to agree that it is not important because it is....especially if you're just starting out. You don't need rear view mirrors to drive a car, but boy do they sure help and make things safer when you use them

 

[Mike H.]

Not sure about isolated ohm meters but the ones on electrical mods tell you if you have a short for the most part..My MVP does...Safety rules all.

 

[getemmurph]

Just my two bits.... Meters are very important when your trying to put one tow over the line and not two, that being said..... Go on google play and find an app called vapers tool box its supper handy and pretty close on its calculations. Second without an vv/vw device and a lot of experience duel coils of 26 gage or higher are going to produce the best (densest/cleanest vapor) .....and again Meters are important things dont always explode a fire in you pocket is nothing to sneeze at

 

[getemmurph]

Lol toe.... One toe over the line

 

[callum.starkie]

What would be a better battery then the efest anyway?

 

[madmonkey]

What would be a better battery then the efest anyway?

That is a controversial topic and different people will give you different answers....Authentic VTC batteries if you're lucky enough to find them are the best choice hands down....then if you're asking my personal opinion it would Samsung 20R's or 25R's....the 25R's preform very well in all the graphed bench tests I've seen as well as from my hands on personal use...then probably LG HE4's and then I would say AW's, they're quality batteries but again you want to by them from a trustable source like RTD Vapor due to their known high counterfeit rate. Then I would say Efest and then your MXJO's and Imerens and MNKE's and the others...the bottom of the list would be Vamped or the "sub ohm cells"...those actually seem to be the bottom of the battery vaping barrel.

 

[MrScaryZ]

I've even attempted a duel coil and still having no joy, can anyone think of anything else?


Thanks, Callum

Yes what I'm thinking based on simple logic is this: guy comes on board has the skills to build a quad coil build but has no idea of the ohms but knows for sure he has a big block even knows the specs of the battery names some juice with it .. Here's the prob if you are building quad coils and capable then either your are so insane that nothing anyone on the planet could say to assist you as you are apparently a advanced vapor or your juice is 30/70 vg/ pg and you want bigger clouds so if you are not insane which is still in question. Your build is so low that the battery cannot push it but most likely I would suggest you get a high vg juice or best do not play with scary toys until you get that ohm meter learn ohms law the best suggestion don't blow your face off


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[callum.starkie]

Switched to duel coil got multimeter with .48 switched my drip tip and I'm throwing monsters!!!!! Owwwww yeahhhhhh