Questions regarding base flavor and" dryness"

[Dripboxsaga]

Hey guys back for some more mind picking, first time putting anything together and of course I've already hit some bumps. I ordered my pg,vg, and 100mg ml from vaperstek and all my flavors from fa, I started with a 120 ml batch of 3 mg 70 VG 30 pg base, read the bad tasting juice fixing post first and then vaped some base. No throat pepper from the nic but feels rather dry and thin, not horrible but not what I've been vaping on so I proceeded to make tiny batches of single flavor , fa cantaloupe, nonna cake, mango, and white peach to get familiar with them starting small. I'm up to 4% and not getting much flavor at all and the dryness is only slightly less even after an hour in the crockpot, wondering if more steeping time will cure the dryness, if not what can I do to moisten it up. And should I keep going up on my flavor %s till I like it or wait on my mini batches to steep, any help is greatly appreciated thanks.

 

[Dripboxsaga]

Also does pg float on VG or is it the other way a round my VG was pretty thick when I mixed it could it be just a not totally mixed batch of base???

 

[kimsmm]

Also does pg float on VG or is it the other way a round my VG was pretty thick when I mixed it could it be just a not totally mixed batch of base???

VG is heavier than Pg.
I am wondering what you mean about dryness. I know that at 4% you should be getting good flavor coming through. The cantaloupe is really potent for me. I taste it just fine...I like it a little sweeter and creamier than just a stand alone. Do you have "vapors tongue?" Is everything you're trying dry?

 

[Foggz]

if you have previously bought juice .. you may be missing a higher pg ratio (pg also carry's flavor better than vg) .. try a small batch at 50/50 pg/vg if it's still dry .. order up some sucralose and try adding .5 to 1% of that.. if it still tastes dry / flat try adding about 2/3% capella custard v1 ... diacetyl in off the shelf juice is what adds the 'mouthfeel' /fullness to a flavor.
Some or all of these reasons may be part of what you are missing... at least to identify the issue and then you can decide what choice's re your juice you wish to make. I know when I started to DIY I felt the same way.. now if I use off the shelf juice it's usually got way to much sucralose for my taste. YMMV

and.. as @kimsmm mentioned .. smokers and ex smokers usually have issues regarding taste, besides the whole 'we all taste things dif' bit.

 

[Neunerball]

Are you shaking all your flavors, and rolling the nicotine base, before mixing?

 

[Dripboxsaga]

Yes I have been shaking all my flavors , and to mix my base popped it in the crock pot for a few minutes then shook it till it was creamy colored from the bubbles, and I've only been vaping for a month now and all my juice has been teleos 70/30, honeydew milkshake and mango lassi, I believe those are diacetyl free, and since I'm a month off of cancer sticks my tasters should be coming back right. I'm gonna do some 50-50 and some 80 20 base and try that for dryness, my 70-30feels almost harsh on the throat then when you exhale it feels like it sucks all the moisture out of your mouth, and since I've only had 70-30 I don't have a baseline to work with

 

[Dripboxsaga]

And kimsmm yes all the batches I made of single flavor have the same dry feeling sovim really leaning towards my base and I used a separate RDA deck for eachbflavor with swigs of lemon water between upping the percentages and so far I'm only getting a hint of the melon at 4% im worried too much more and I'll mute it

 

[Dripboxsaga]

And big thanks to you guus and gals for taking the time to help a rook out

 

[Heabob]

And big thanks to you guus and gals for taking the time to help a rook out

I've read about a few people getting the dryness from FA flavors in particular.
Some have switched brands, or added other brands mixed in with FA to help.

New vapers will often get "dry mouth" from vaping in general.
Drinking more water helps, but mine went away after around a month.

Oh, and that was using 80/20VG, but I've since changed it to 70/30VG.

 

[Dripboxsaga]

Well I've ripped through three bottles of 70/30 teleos juice since I started and that stuff tastes amazing vape is full and moist, I guess I'd call it. Are there any fa flavors than can help the dry feeling, I read about distilled water and saline solution last night because this is bugging me a bit but figured I'd ask the masters for a little input

 

[Dripboxsaga]

And another thing if I am not a fan of throat hit how bad is a hit of pure pg gonna be I need to test my components to see which one is the culprit

 

[Heabob]

I read about distilled water and saline solution

I never found them to be of any benefit, but if you mix 100% VG the DW is needed for thinning.

Well I've ripped through three bottles of 70/30 teleos juice since I started and that stuff tastes amazing vape is full and moist, I guess I'd call it.

Don't think most of those great mixes from vendors are using FA, sorry.

And another thing if I am not a fan of throat hit how bad is a hit of pure pg gonna be I need to test my components to see which one is the culprit

Don't think I'd try pure PG as that's what they used to make early e-juice from as VG wasn't used then.
According to many it was pretty nasty.
You can try 80/20 or 70/30 tho, as I don't get very much TH, using 2% nic also.
But that's using above ohm coil-MTL.
If your tank will handle it, drippers no problem.

 

[Dripboxsaga]

Dummy I am I'm never stated what I'm vaping out of its a kanger dripbox 160 with a velocity mini on it .5 ohm coil at around 45 watts. And is there a fa flavor that can help take away the dryness, I could only describe it as an extra dry gin feeling after the exhale

 

[kimsmm]

Dummy I am I'm never stated what I'm vaping out of its a kanger dripbox 160 with a velocity mini on it .5 ohm coil at around 45 watts. And is there a fa flavor that can help take away the dryness, I could only describe it as an extra dry gin feeling after the exhale

Try sucrolose to sweeten...IMO it can make or break a flavor and also I think it helps with that dryness. You may want to buy flavors such as "Juicy peach" or "Sweet Strawberry. The "Juicy" and "Sweet" part may be something for you to try.

 

[Heabob]

And is there a fa flavor that can help take away the dryness, I could only describe it as an extra dry gin feeling after the exhale

Only ones I can think of that may help, (and they will add some sweetness & body)
FA Marshmallow 0.5-2%
FA Meringue 0.5-2%
FA Jamaican Rum 1-4%
FA Coconut 0.5% (can add a buttery effect at lower amounts)(for me anyway)
You can even use all of these together without issues.

0.5-1% EM or Cotton Candy might help too.

Have you tried without using any flavoring yet?

 

[Jimi D]

Do a 0 nic mix w/ flavorings, and a unflavored nic mix. Then you'll know if it's the flavorings or the nic.

 

[Dripboxsaga]

Just got done vaping straight VG and it was fine then made a batch of VG with 4% cantaloupe 1% marshmallow and the dryness I'm thinking is from the flavors its there but not as bad as the 70/30 mix and the flavor just isn't there and this was on a fresh wick, shaking with a sawzall for about 30 seconds then resting cap off till settled

 

[Dripboxsaga]

And thanks jimi d I'm currently trying your method to pinpoint it now I'll be on soon as I vape some

 

[Jimi D]

And thanks jimi d I'm currently trying your method to pinpoint it now I'll be on soon as I vape some

No problem dude. Hope you can figure it out.

 

[Dripboxsaga]

I'm really needing to get something right I'm running through juice pretty quickly now started with a 60 watt dripbox now I have the 160 model and I'm going through about 7 mls a day, and definitely can't afford the 22 a bottle or what I'm vaping now, if I posted my flavors could someone help with a shake and vape???

 

[Dripboxsaga]

And with marshmallow as my smoother/sweetener should I just add it till I get the desired effect if not what's too much %

 

[Heabob]

And with marshmallow as my smoother/sweetener should I just add it till I get the desired effect if not what's too much %

I've seen it used at 3-5% but I normally use 0.5-1% myself.
Probably need to do some experimenting.

Just got done vaping straight VG and it was fine then made a batch of VG with 4% cantaloupe 1% marshmallow and the dryness I'm thinking is from the flavors its there but not as bad as the 70/30 mix and the flavor just isn't there and this was on a fresh wick, shaking with a sawzall for about 30 seconds then resting cap off till settled

Some have trouble tasting flavors in high VG so...
I believe it takes the flavorings a bit longer to blend in well using higher VG, but many others here don't have any issues.
Could also try some hot tap water baths.

if I posted my flavors could someone help with a shake and vape???

FA Fuji Apple 2-4% + FA Cookie 1-2%, (can also add 1% Cinnamon Ceylon + 1% Marshmallow)
FA Pomegranate 2-3% + FA Vanilla Classic 1%
FA Blackcurrant 2-3% + FA Vanilla Classic 1%
FA Cookie 4% + 1% FA Cinnamon Ceylon + 1% Jamaican Rum
FA Lemon Sicily 3% (fades some over time which makes this a good shake & vape)
FA White Peach 2-3%
FA Passion Fruit 2-3%
FA Cookie 3% + FA Almond 2%
FA Tiramisu 1% + 2% FA Vanilla Classic + 1% FA Fresh Cream + 1% Marshmallow

3-4% FA Yogurt will also work mixed with any fruit.
You can add 0.5-1% Marshmallow to these as well.

Some of the recipes posted around here are pretty good:
White Coconut Cake, but it does have some other brands.
Rocketpuppy's RY4

Probably some others I missed, just tossing out some simple ones.

 

[Dripboxsaga]

Thanks a ton sir

 

[Neunerball]

Just got done vaping straight VG and it was fine then made a batch of VG with 4% cantaloupe 1% marshmallow and the dryness I'm thinking is from the flavors its there but not as bad as the 70/30 mix and the flavor just isn't there and this was on a fresh wick, shaking with a sawzall for about 30 seconds then resting cap off till settled

4% Cantaloupe seems to be a bit high to me. Usually, most of the FA flavors require just 2-3%, there are some exceptions that require even less.
I'm one of those that don't believe in high VG juices requiring more flavor. I usually mix at 80-90 VG, even with the recipes found here, there was no need to increment the flavor's percentages.

 

[Dripboxsaga]

Well thanks for the reply, I tried some 80/20 base and seems even that bit of pg is giving me the dry sensation and that was with no nic, I'm thinking I'm having two problems, A is I'm expecting too much from my home mix the two juices I've been vaping on are fantastic honeydew milkshake and mango lassi from teleos they are very sweet. B I was expecting to get some sweetness from my fruit flavors and I'm just not getting it ik thinking my tastebuds want more sweet. I tried a mini batch of 2 % mango 4% nonnas cake and 2 % Vienna cream and it is dry and kinda tastes like cornbread with a faint amount of perfumey mango, I then added VG a couple % at a time to dilute in case I overshot it and still the same results, thus is definitely a lot harder than I figured it would be, and I'm super greatful for all of your time guys thanks again, PS any members located in Oklahoma this would be a lot easier with an expert on hand

 

[Neunerball]

Well thanks for the reply, I tried some 80/20 base and seems even that bit of pg is giving me the dry sensation and that was with no nic, I'm thinking I'm having two problems, A is I'm expecting too much from my home mix the two juices I've been vaping on are fantastic honeydew milkshake and mango lassi from teleos they are very sweet. B I was expecting to get some sweetness from my fruit flavors and I'm just not getting it ik thinking my tastebuds want more sweet. I tried a mini batch of 2 % mango 4% nonnas cake and 2 % Vienna cream and it is dry and kinda tastes like cornbread with a faint amount of perfumey mango, I then added VG a couple % at a time to dilute in case I overshot it and still the same results, thus is definitely a lot harder than I figured it would be, and I'm super greatful for all of your time guys thanks again, PS any members located in Oklahoma this would be a lot easier with an expert on hand

Try some higher VG mixes, it will give you a smoother vape, besides being a bit sweeter.
IMO, what you describe as "dry", might be the throat hit you get from higher PG.

 

[Dripboxsaga]

My last two tests were straight VG 97 drops of that and 3 drops of fa cantaloupe which I've read should be nice sweetness on its own but I'm still getting a hint of something but its not melon for sure, was going to try the Fuji apple and cookie mix posted above in straight VG but decided to step back for a bit I wanna get this right and getting pissed is detrimental to progress lol

 

[Neunerball]

My last two tests were straight VG 97 drops of that and 3 drops of fa cantaloupe which I've read should be nice sweetness on its own but I'm still getting a hint of something but its not melon for sure, was going to try the Fuji apple and cookie mix posted above in straight VG but decided to step back for a bit I wanna get this right and getting pissed is detrimental to progress lol

Let it sit over night, it might be better then.
It's a learning curve, making your own eJuice. Just be patient! My first attempts where a disaster too! However, I just made (and still make) small 10ml mixes in a 15 ml bottle (in case I need to add more flavor) for my first attempts. It doesn't hurt so much, to dump that little mix, rather than 30ml or more.

 

[Dripboxsaga]

Definitely I'm waiting on my 10 mls and my scale to get here and im taking notes on everything so I know what not to do again lol

 

[Heabob]

I tried a mini batch of 2 % mango 4% nonnas cake and 2 % Vienna cream

Nonna's Cake I rarely go above 1%, and usually it's 0.5% as it gets nasty at higher amounts IMO.
FA Mango was kinda blah for me, but the INW Mango is great at 2%, & CAP Sweet Mango is also better.
Vienna Cream is a bit dry and definitely not sweet, FA Vanilla Classic might work better, it's a little bit sweeter of a Vanilla & Cream mixture.
I pretty much gave up using FA Creams & Vanillas because there are better, sweeter, and less dry brands available.

Both TFA DX Sweet Cream & CAP Sweet Cream are safe to vape.
TFA DX Bavarian Cream, TFA Vanilla Swirl, & TFA DX French Vanilla are also worth mention.
And CAP Vanilla Bean Ice Cream + CAP Vanilla Whipped Cream are also listed as D/AP free.

BTW most of the Vendor Juices are using EM and/or Sweeteners, or possibly even Stevia Extract.
I don't get much sweetness from FA flavors except for Marshmallow, Jamaican Rum, Brandy, & Meringue.
And those won't even compare to the sweetness from using CAP Super Sweet or Stevia.

But using too much will mute the flavorings, so higher amounts of flavorings are needed to offset the EM/sweetener effect.
Which is why I think many of the sweeter Vendor Juices are using 20%, or more, total flavoring.

 

[hacker7]

Hi I am new to juice making also, so I feel your frustration. I have experienced the dryness to. The only advice I can give you is keep it simple. Find 1 flavor you like use it at 15% then add 5% sweetener. Use a mixing calculator and go for a 80/20 mix. Is your nicotine PG or VG? The flavorings are PG so you should not be adding any PG to this mix. Let us know how it turns out. Good luck.

 

[Heabob]

Hi I am new to juice making also, so I feel your frustration. I have experienced the dryness to. The only advice I can give you is keep it simple. Find 1 flavor you like use it at 15% then add 5% sweetener. Use a mixing calculator and go for a 80/20 mix. Is your nicotine PG or VG? The flavorings are PG so you should not be adding any PG to this mix. Let us know how it turns out. Good luck.

Kinda doubt this 15% method will work using FA Tiramisu, FA Espresso, FA Bilberry, FA White Peach, FE Blackberry, FE Lemon, INW Peach.
Plus a ton of others.
Might get away with it using some of the FW, LA, or TFA flavors tho.
But even just using 3% Sweetener in recipes all I could taste was diet sugar.

 

[hacker7]

Well he has to start somewhere. If he can find a single flavor and mix it to where its good for him its a starting point. I would suggest the blackberry. The more flavors added to a recipe just make it more complicated for a beginner. As I am finding out its a lot harder then then it seems to come up with a good mix. Its all trial and error. I find Capella flavors to be very good.

 

[mjag]

It is definitely not common but I am one of those that gets a really dry vape from all FA mixes as well. Not all there flavors but when I first started DIY all I had was FA flavors and a few of those mixes made it so I had to keep a bottle of water handy, it gave me cotton mouth. These were all recipes posted in the recipe section from HIC and others with the same percentages used.

I still use some FA flavors but really cut down on a lot of them because of the dry mouth problem I was having. I really don't know why some of us get it when others don't, must be some kind of chemistry issue with our bodies, no other way to explain it.

I feel for you bud, I had the same problem when I first started DIY and almost quit but after trying some Capella, TFA, Inawera and other company's flavors it got easier over time. Now when I try a store bought juice I do not feel deprived one bit with my DIY mixes, in fact a lot of the recipes people share on here are better than store bought. Just have to find what works for you but in the long run the savings are well worth it.

 

[Dripboxsaga]

Thanks a lot for the input guys, I'm thinking these fa flavors are just not what I expected, I'll try some more out at say 2% in straight VG so far I've tried the mango,cantaloupe, Vienna cream fresh cream and strawberry, and I'm not impressed I barely get anything and that dryness I'm getting from them is really killing it, gonna have to try some other manufacturers. I only got them because all the rave reviews on hics stuff and I was really hoping for something usable so I ordered fa
Cantaloupe,mango, V cream, F cream, custard, NN cake, marshmallow, joy, peach, white peach, orange, mandarin, bilberry, papaya,caramel, Fuji apple, and pineapple, are they all dry like the ones I've tried. I sure hope not lol

 

[Dripboxsaga]

Was typing when you replied mjag, man you give me some hope buddy, I was thinking I was the only one with this problem, following proven recipes should net decent results, but I'm having the same problems you did feels like powder in my mouth when I vape it. Hopefully its just the flavors and not my tastebuds being weird, who do you recommend for sweet flavors or is it just a mix of all the companies

 

[hacker7]

Just out of curiosity, let someone else try your juice and see what they think. As others have mentioned vaping really leaves you with dry mouth and vape tongue. Sometimes no matter what I vape it is dry and tasteless.

 

[Dripboxsaga]

I've been letting my wife and sister try them and they are getting the same result the dry feeling

 

[mjag]

Was typing when you replied mjag, man you give me some hope buddy, I was thinking I was the only one with this problem, following proven recipes should net decent results, but I'm having the same problems you did feels like powder in my mouth when I vape it. Hopefully its just the flavors and not my tastebuds being weird, who do you recommend for sweet flavors or is it just a mix of all the companies

What are your favorite flavors? Strawberries and cream, vanilla custards?

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[Dripboxsaga]

Im gonna put in another order tomorrow more flavors are definitely in order, I really have only had three juices so far and they were all milk,cream, and sweet fruits mango and honeydew. The first was a teleos milk2 and it was really good. I really like custard as well and cheesecake. Anything sweet and creamy really working on a budget prob 40 bucks worth of flavors any no brainers in mind with those kinds of flavors

 

[Dripboxsaga]

In open to brands since its looking like I don't agree with fa, just no nastys ie diacetyl and the others. I'm in this for the long run so hope you guys don't mind leaning on you all, I figure I can help some people out as well once I get it. Again thanks for your time guys

 

[mjag]

I do use some flavors with diacetyl's but tend to try and stay away as well. I will only list the one that do not have warning's on BCV's website and I do enjoy without any dryness. I am not much into melons except watermelon and have some mango flavors but really haven't delved into that flavor much yet.

http://www.bullcityvapor.com/cheesecake-graham-crust-tfa/ I also like Cap New York Cheascake but that does have diacetyl, they have a new V2 but I have not tried it.

http://www.bullcityvapor.com/graham-cracker-v2-cap/

http://www.bullcityvapor.com/sweet-watermelon-cap/

http://www.bullcityvapor.com/sweet-cream-cap/

http://www.bullcityvapor.com/caramel-tfa/

http://www.bullcityvapor.com/shisha-strawberry-inw/

http://www.bullcityvapor.com/shisha-vanilla-inw/ I use this stuff all the time, my personal favorite vanilla, tastes a little like vanilla pudding.

http://www.bullcityvapor.com/pineapple-inw/

http://www.bullcityvapor.com/cherimoya-yc-inw/ hard to describe the flavor but it is really popular for a reason

http://www.bullcityvapor.com/banana-cream-la/ the best banana I have tried

http://www.bullcityvapor.com/natural-butterscotch-fw/

You would probably want a good Bavarian Cream as well but the one I use from TFA has diacetyl in it. Maybe someone can chime in with a good BC with no diacetyl.

Here is a company I am trying now, theses are raw concentrates, not mixed with PG or VG. I just made a simple mix or 2% Strawberry and 2% Condensed Milk with 1% sweetener from One on One flavors in a 100% VG mix with 5% Distilled Water. After only a day of steeping it is really good strawberry milk. If you do a normal 70/30 mix then you can probably get by with only 1 to 1.5% per ingredient. I like there vanilla custard as well and there cream is also good.

https://www.realflavors.com/collections/raw-extracts

It is a lot cheaper to get them from walmart though with the free shipping:

https://www.walmart.com/search/?que...rice_low&cat_id=0&facet=retailer:Real Flavors

If you did want to try the Real Flavors I would suggest just 1 or 2 and see if you like them. We all have different tastes so you have to find what works for you. If it is only going to be one then get the Strawberry, if 2 then add the Vanilla Custard.

This happens to be my favorite sweetener for fruit vapes:

http://www.oooflavors.com/products/sweetener-liquid-concentrated It makes fruits pop in the mix, for non fruit vapes I either don't use sweetener or use Stevia based sweetener.

If you like cookies I don't have a problem using FA Cookie, that stuff is good. INW Biscuit is also pretty good. One on One also makes a pretty good Sugar Butter Cookie.

There are a lot of other flavors I really enjoy but when starting out it is best to keep with simple recipes until you get the hang of it. Also keep in mind that more isn't necessarily better when it comes to flavors. A lot of flavors from INW, FA and Real Flavors Raw Extracts only need 1 to 2%, some flavors even 0.50%. A lot of cream and custard vapes need to steep for a week to month for the flavor to really come out, sucks but it is what it is. I do find these new Raw Extracts from Real Flavors steep pretty quickly though, waaaaaaaaaay better than there VG based flavors that take a month.

 

[Dripboxsaga]

Freaking awesome man I really appreciate it, so will these flavors mixed with my fa help with the sensations of dryness being that some are rich and my fa is straight fruit? I plan on ordering some tomorrow night and I'll search for some others that are non fa with good reviews, you guys are awesome.

 

[hacker7]

one suggestion before you order. There are some good videos on you tube about flavors. I learned a few things I never gave any thought to, like which flavors go well together percentages as well as brands. Worth the time to watch a few.

 

[Dripboxsaga]

Thanks man I already feel like johnny5 " need input" I've been reading everything I can find didn't consider YouTube for flavor tutoring.

 

[Dripboxsaga]

And I'm headed to the store now stevia is on the list, gonna try it for some sweetness.

 

[mjag]

And I'm headed to the store now stevia is on the list, gonna try it for some sweetness.

You want to make sure it is pure stevia. You also want to dillute it, at least down to 25%, the rest either VG or PG, PG being easier to mix.

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[mjag]

Freaking awesome man I really appreciate it, so will these flavors mixed with my fa help with the sensations of dryness being that some are rich and my fa is straight fruit? I plan on ordering some tomorrow night and I'll search for some others that are non fa with good reviews, you guys are awesome.

Hard to say, it might only be one or 2 FA flavors that are causing the dryness. I can't remember which were the ones that bothered me, I got rid of them long ago.

You can try single flavor mixes with all you FA flavors to try and weed out which are causing the problems. Since I am not that familiar with a lot of FA flavors list what you have so others can recommend flavor % for each. Generally FA is potent so 1 to 2% is usually enough.

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[Dripboxsaga]

I listed all my flavors as couple posts up hoping for something dummy proof and I'll be mixing in straight vg

 

[Heabob]

Cantaloupe,mango, V cream, F cream, custard, NN cake, marshmallow, joy, peach, white peach, orange, mandarin, bilberry, papaya,caramel, Fuji apple, and pineapple, are they all dry like the ones I've tried. I sure hope not lol

Peach, White Peach, & Fuji Apple are all decent flavors but not really sweet, don't know about dryness tho.
Marshmallow is a little bit sweet and also works with many recipes using other brands.